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Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Ah, my bad, I missed the post with the 196 MB/s. So your transfer is higher, my seek is higher, cost... well, ended up yours as cheaper (lucky indeed), and with far more storage.

Mine's silent! 😛
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Damn.

I do admit, one of these days I'd like to raid0 two SSDs

And my guess is you don't need to have a fan pointed at it either.
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This mean the epeen contest is over?
 
These guys state they have backups, they showed me files but I really am not enthusastic about it. 2 5ish MB .bkf files. I have no idea how to even restore a file like that let alone, if that's really all they had in terms of data.

There's also a possibility the raid card went faulty, but even then that's not really recoverable as what are the odds of finding that EXACT same card, and then have it actually pickup the drives. It would probably want to initiate the drives first.

So yeah, they're dead in the water.

Unfortunatly in this environment it MUST be fixed. Management does not care what is possible and what is not, it just HAS to happen. That's the attitude there. So most likely would have to send to a data recovery place. I'm lucky enough my coworker has the equipment for that but he would probably rather not even touch something of this magnitude.
 
Originally posted by: TheKub
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Ah, my bad, I missed the post with the 196 MB/s. So your transfer is higher, my seek is higher, cost... well, ended up yours as cheaper (lucky indeed), and with far more storage.

Mine's silent! 😛
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Damn.

I do admit, one of these days I'd like to raid0 two SSDs

And my guess is you don't need to have a fan pointed at it either.
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This mean the epeen contest is over?
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There was no epeen contest. It was me showing that RAID0 does have a purpose. I'm not blind to the fact that RAID0 velociraptors are not the fastest thing out there.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Who the hell puts medical data on a raid 0 IDE raid. OMG. Now I need to somehow restore that.

FML.
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Someone with a death wish?

I can just picture the conversation...
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: scorpious
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: scorpious
What's a raid 0 IDE raid?
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WoW terminology.
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Guffa.


RAID 0 is where data is saved across several disks. Usually people do raid arrays with 2 HDDs. EX: If I save a .txt file, 1/2 of the actual data will be saved on one disk, and the other half on the other. Then when I load it up, it should ideally load faster because both HDD are putting out data. In more useful applications, think of loading 1 big 1gig file. If 1/2 of the data is stored on each drive, and each drive has a 40megabytes/second sustained transfer, you will theoretically load it twice as fast with a RAID0 array of 2 HDDs.

Now the bad part is there is nothing saved on the other drive in case one of them craps out. ie: right here

That is where Raid 5 comes into play. With 3 drives, A , B, C you get similar performance increase, but you also store the parity data on other drives. So drives B,C will contain parity data of A. If A craps out, then the parity data on B&C can be used to quickly reconstruct drive A. Bad part? More drives, more heat, more money, greater chance for drive to fail (3 * probabaility of failure)
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Wtf, at what point would you need to access your data faster? No way people have RAID setup on their home computers. Double-click and shit is right there.

Oh, and I wish that student loans companies had RAID 0 for their setups.
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Why have faster pcs? 😕

Why have 600hp cars?

FOR THE SAME REASON.



SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
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I think you didn't catch scorpious hint that RAID isn't the best terminology to use for raw striping since there is technically no redundancy. By redundancy I mean practical excess, since the task requires the two drives to work at all.

RAID10 is appropriate in my eyes as the two pairs mirrored disks are redundant before the stripe comes into play
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I think everybody missed scorpious' point....

What's a raid 0 IDE raid?

See there is redundancy...

Although I am tired so maybe I am crazy...
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
These guys state they have backups, they showed me files but I really am not enthusastic about it. 2 5ish MB .bkf files. I have no idea how to even restore a file like that let alone, if that's really all they had in terms of data.

There's also a possibility the raid card went faulty, but even then that's not really recoverable as what are the odds of finding that EXACT same card, and then have it actually pickup the drives. It would probably want to initiate the drives first.

So yeah, they're dead in the water.

Unfortunatly in this environment it MUST be fixed. Management does not care what is possible and what is not, it just HAS to happen. That's the attitude there. So most likely would have to send to a data recovery place. I'm lucky enough my coworker has the equipment for that but he would probably rather not even touch something of this magnitude.
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This is a Tsar Bomba sized fail, and you're gonna end up sending it to a data recovery place, unless it does turn out to be the raid card. Good freakin' luck.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
These guys state they have backups, they showed me files but I really am not enthusastic about it. 2 5ish MB .bkf files. I have no idea how to even restore a file like that let alone, if that's really all they had in terms of data.

There's also a possibility the raid card went faulty, but even then that's not really recoverable as what are the odds of finding that EXACT same card, and then have it actually pickup the drives. It would probably want to initiate the drives first.

So yeah, they're dead in the water.

Unfortunatly in this environment it MUST be fixed. Management does not care what is possible and what is not, it just HAS to happen. That's the attitude there. So most likely would have to send to a data recovery place. I'm lucky enough my coworker has the equipment for that but he would probably rather not even touch something of this magnitude.
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Thank you, Google. 🙂

Looks like it's a Microsoft Backup file. They probably just saved some of the Documents and Settings folder.


I hope they enjoy the bill from the data recovery place.:laugh:


 
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
These guys state they have backups, they showed me files but I really am not enthusastic about it. 2 5ish MB .bkf files. I have no idea how to even restore a file like that let alone, if that's really all they had in terms of data.

There's also a possibility the raid card went faulty, but even then that's not really recoverable as what are the odds of finding that EXACT same card, and then have it actually pickup the drives. It would probably want to initiate the drives first.

So yeah, they're dead in the water.

Unfortunatly in this environment it MUST be fixed. Management does not care what is possible and what is not, it just HAS to happen. That's the attitude there. So most likely would have to send to a data recovery place. I'm lucky enough my coworker has the equipment for that but he would probably rather not even touch something of this magnitude.
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This is a Tsar Bomba sized fail, and you're gonna end up sending it to a data recovery place, unless it does turn out to be the raid card. Good freakin' luck.
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Yeah... whoever set that system up to begin with needs to be getting a pink slip.


Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
Who the hell still uses an IDE drive? 😛
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Well I do... but then again they are in a RAID 5 array and still have 2 years left on their warranty 🙂
 
Yeah not sure who set that up, but it's pretty bad. That's what happens when people decide to have their own stuff instead of using the servers everybody else in this hospital uses. At least we manage those and have control over them.

And yeah I loled at IDE. Not even my home server uses IDE. My backup server does use IDE drives as backup media, but that server is on it's way out once I'm done with my new backup solution.

So tomorrow they're ordering a new server, as that box was due for upgrade anyway. Installing all those apps or w/e software they used (no clue) will be a task. Basically install win2k3 then I have to "make it like it was" with zero info. I will also order a crystal ball.
 
Originally posted by: SunSamurai
RAID0 Intel x 8 SSD = sex
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Until all the drives wear out at once and all die. 😱 Hope you got backups.

Then again even raid 1 with SSDs would not be reliable (as it's based on writes, the failures will most likely be synced) so may as well go raid 0. They should add speedometers on those so you know when they'll fail. 😛


As an update to my situation, I'm still working on recovering his environment. I found some bigger backups that look more promising, they are 20GB or so. The IT manger has been on my back during this whole time as if it was my fault this happened. I'm about ready to quit! But I'll manage to pull through. I have a 1 week vacation coming soon and I'm going on it no matter what he says, he's not my boss. I was even bold enough to take two half days off this week! if his server would of been in a VM in our environment and managed by us like everything else, this would not be a problem.

Some of the doctors just like to be uptight and not want to have anything to do with our environment yet still want us to support them when something goes wrong.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
if his server would of been in a VM in our environment and managed by us like everything else, this would not be a problem.

Some of the doctors just like to be uptight and not want to have anything to do with our environment yet still want us to support them when something goes wrong.
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Just be glad you don't have to deal with software/hardware engineers.
 
Originally posted by: Exterous
Maybe they thought it was a RAID 1?
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They probably had no clue. I've seen some appalling storage practices by the docs at my hospital. The IS dept is constantly pulling their hair out because no one ever backs their shit up.
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: rdubbz420
raid 0 is great if you have a backup plan. who the fuck doesn't anyways. just keep an image on a server and pxe boot if your volume is fubar.
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you're idea is sound but most people son;t have an image server at home😛
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aren't we talking about a company here?
 
Use r-studio, or one of the many other data recovery software out there. Try running chkdsk.
I had RAID0 fail on me twice, and both times I was lucky enough to be able to recover my data.
 
Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Who the hell puts medical data on a raid 0 IDE raid. OMG. Now I need to somehow restore that.

FML.
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Raid 0? How the heck you going to restore from striped, not mirror'd?
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Pretty much, and the IT manager does not care. It just has to happen.

Thankfully the doc had backups, not sure how recent, but he has them. Now it's the thing of sifting through them, and trying to figure out what his environment was, without having any knowledge of what it was before. It just has to work like it did before.
 
Time for your company to use online backup through Amazon's jungle or whatever it's called. Heard good things about it.
 
The one company I support with medical data has two separate buildings on a campus. I have a server in one and an automated backup server setup in the other. They are far enough apart for me to call it "offsite".
Both are linux software RAID1.
 
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