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old DSM vs old GT 5.0..

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mrCide

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Alright, I have an audi 1.8t and I was shopping for a turbo kit for it, for $2500-$4500 (without FMIC/exhaust/etc), i figured why take a chance with my daily driver/spending so much when I can get a whole project car.

My goal is to have something I can work on, something I can enjoy, and something fairly solid (that i don't have to worry about having running for the next morning for worK). I'd like to clean something up and possibly mod it for speed. I'm interested in learning really.

I'm torn now between an early DSM (~92~ Talon TSI or something) or an early 90s late 80s 'stang GT 5.0. 5.0 will cost a bit more but from what some people are telling me, DSM's are going to spend more time being fixed than anything, where as pay a little more for a GT but it will be more solid. I'm not going to track it, it's just for a personal hobby. But having a 13s and possibly a 12s in the future for not so much cash is also appealing, but I don't want it to break after a month..

What do you guys think? No poll cause I want actual responses 🙂
 
I'm not familiar with the DSM's as much, but there is a TON of parts for the 5.0's, and hitting 13 seconds with one should be fairly easy. 12's will take a bit more work, but it's easily obtained with the right parts.

Also, I'm guessing here, but parts seem to be more readily available and cheaper for the fox body.
 
DSM's can be wicked fast with awd and an upgraded turbo. That being said - the 302 based Mustang has the largest aftermarket of almost any car I know of - it's relatively easy to throw on a few bolt on's and be in the low 13's. (notfred is the most infamous 5.0 owner here, err was)
 
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
DSM's can be wicked fast with awd and an upgraded turbo. That being said - the 302 based Mustang has the largest aftermarket of almost any car I know of - it's relatively easy to throw on a few bolt on's and be in the low 13's. (notfred is the most infamous 5.0 owner here, err was)
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errr, is again (Got a Cobra) 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
DSM's can be wicked fast with awd and an upgraded turbo. That being said - the 302 based Mustang has the largest aftermarket of almost any car I know of - it's relatively easy to throw on a few bolt on's and be in the low 13's. (notfred is the most infamous 5.0 owner here, err was)
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errr, is again (Got a Cobra) 🙂
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I know, but he's no longer a 5.0 owner 🙂 (he would have been if he had gotten the 95 SN95)
 
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
DSM's can be wicked fast with awd and an upgraded turbo. That being said - the 302 based Mustang has the largest aftermarket of almost any car I know of - it's relatively easy to throw on a few bolt on's and be in the low 13's. (notfred is the most infamous 5.0 owner here, err was)
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errr, is again (Got a Cobra) 🙂
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I know, but he's no longer a 5.0 owner 🙂 (he would have been if he had gotten the 95 SN95)
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Ah - his is the 4.6?
 
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
DSM's can be wicked fast with awd and an upgraded turbo. That being said - the 302 based Mustang has the largest aftermarket of almost any car I know of - it's relatively easy to throw on a few bolt on's and be in the low 13's. (notfred is the most infamous 5.0 owner here, err was)
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errr, is again (Got a Cobra) 🙂
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I know, but he's no longer a 5.0 owner 🙂 (he would have been if he had gotten the 95 SN95)
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Ah - his is the 4.6?
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yup.
 
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
DSM's can be wicked fast with awd and an upgraded turbo. That being said - the 302 based Mustang has the largest aftermarket of almost any car I know of - it's relatively easy to throw on a few bolt on's and be in the low 13's. (notfred is the most infamous 5.0 owner here, err was)
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errr, is again (Got a Cobra) 🙂
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I know, but he's no longer a 5.0 owner 🙂 (he would have been if he had gotten the 95 SN95)
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Or the '94 SN-95.
 
Definitely the 5.0.

I want to get one this summer, we'll see how my debt is around October or so.

I'm torn between the LX & the GT, I know the LX is lighter but I like the GT's looks a lot better.

Viper GTS
 
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Definitely the 5.0.

I want to get one this summer, we'll see how my debt is around October or so.

I'm torn between the LX & the GT, I know the LX is lighter but I like the GT's looks a lot better.

Viper GTS
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LX Coupe is the way to go.

a fine example
 
GT is a better choice unless you are solely drag racing...

Mine

BTW, try to get pre '93 if you get a fox body. After 1992, they switched from forged pistons to lighter (and weaker) hypeuretic pistons.

🙂

Edit:

Also, try to avoid pre '89 5.0's as most were speed density and not mass air unless it was a California car. Speed desity air metering sucked, and most people end up buying the $500 mass air conversion kit anyhow.

🙂
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
GT is a better choice unless you are solely drag racing...

Mine

BTW, try to get pre '93 if you get a fox body. After 1992, they switched from forged pistons to lighter (and weaker) hypeuretic pistons.

🙂

Edit:

Also, try to avoid pre '89 5.0's as most were speed density and not mass air unless it was a California car. Speed desity air metering sucked, and most people end up buying the $500 mass air conversion kit anyhow.

🙂
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cool... looks like the 5.0 is winning it out here 🙂 what have you done to yours? what else can you recommend? and any good 5.0 forums? 🙂 heh
 
The DSM is a better all around vehicle, especially the 93 on (slight change to tranny). 5.0 better for drag, dollar to dollar.
 
I vote for the DSM. It will take you you less than a grand to get 13s. Just get a boost controller, boost gauge and some 3" exhaust and hack up the aircan. The stock 14b can do 17psi easy, which is good to put you over 300hp with decent tuning.

Not to mention the old mustangs are BUTT UGLY. I could never own a car that i didnt like...and like i said mustangs are foogly
 
Check which one is stolen more, I know the mustangs are very high on the list. Had a friend who had his stolen a few times. And NotFreds was stolen, etc.

I don't know about the DSM's... I imagine they are fairly popular joy-rides as well, maybe even the same if you compare percentages stolen... I dunno, I just know 5.0's are always being ripped off. Invest in a good defense system...
 
my guess is the 5.0 would be a better choice. probably pretty simple to work on, there's 4 million of them in every junkyard for cheap parts, huge aftermarket selection, lots of go-fast potential. compared to a japanese car, they feel like riding in a tin can with loose bolts rattling around inside with you, but for you want, maybe that would just make it even more fun. this may be the only time in my life i'll ever recommend an american car.
 
hmm.. i don't exactly live or work where a car is liable to be stolen.. so that's not too much of a concern (plus itll be insured).. i do dig the turbo and AWD on a DSM, but it does make it more complicated to work on.. any more opinions are welcome 🙂
 
5.0 is a total guido-mobile... a DSM may be a $hitbox but I have to agree with halik and say a 1G does look better than the Stang.

Actually, if you spring for race gas and drive it like a madman, you can get a DSM into the 12s with just 1 grand. There's no doubt you can prolly make a 5.0 faster and quicker than a DSM can for less money (esp if you go all out with gutting and big @$$ blower). The ultimate drag potention of the 5.0 is better... heck, I'd even look into a SVO... those can go DEEP into 9s and even hit 8s.

But then again, I don't see many street cars as viable as a DSM that can run low-11s and hi-10s. If you wanna get really stupid with it, you can put a DSM into the 11s with $2004 (DSMotorsport 11.4 no Nitrous) and for a few hundred more on the bottle they hit 10.85 @ 127mph. I have seen more than a few ungutted 1Gs that run 11s... some run even 10s! This is all on the 2.0L 4G63T... people are starting to build 4G64 2.4L hybrids... time for Supra and Skyline-size turbos.

AWD is fun and a whole lot more secure in bad weather... only liability is maintenance of the system. The DSM is a better overall street car not to mention the interior is WORLDs better than the stuff Ford put in. It also handles better out of the box and even when upgraded like mad, it will still be able to be more liveable on the street thanks to a better suspension configuration.

Just don't wash your DSM or put riceboy-looking rims and stuff on it... nobody will even take a second look. BTW, DSMs are reliable so long as you don't get crankwalk and take care of it like any hi-po car. And 1Gs don't get crankwalk...
 
Originally posted by: KokomoGSTI'd even look into a SVO... those can go DEEP into 9s and even hit 8s.
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When I see people post stuff like this, it makes me discount the rest of his post completely. I don't know anything about DSM cars, but now I'm inclined to think that msot everything KokomoGST said is wrong.

Do you even know what an SVO is?
 
Originally posted by: notfred
When I see people post stuff like this, it makes me discount the rest of his post completely. I don't know anything about DSM cars, but now I'm inclined to think that msot everything KokomoGST said is wrong.

Do you even know what an SVO is?
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20th anniversary biotch! 😀
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: KokomoGSTI'd even look into a SVO... those can go DEEP into 9s and even hit 8s.
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When I see people post stuff like this, it makes me discount the rest of his post completely. I don't know anything about DSM cars, but now I'm inclined to think that msot everything KokomoGST said is wrong.

Do you even know what an SVO is?
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Yes, and with todays technology, you can build up an SVO into a drag beast. It's lighter than a DSM with less drivetrain loss... don't believe me? Fine... I've seen a few HEAVILY modified & worked SVOs run at Englishtown and blow the doors off nearly everything. My friend and I know a guy that runs 10s on only 22psi of boost with a motor/turbo built to take up to 40psi...
 
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