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Global warming is a myth.
But I wouldn't mind our negative temps going to upper positives right now.
But I wouldn't mind our negative temps going to upper positives right now.
I wish I could start a global warming thread in which any mention of commies or lefties or neocons or fascists, any even vaguely personal comments, any logical fallacies, and any statements not fully explained and backed up by evidence would be immediately deleted by the mods.
SSSnail
Lifer
- Nov 29, 2006
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To the people that keeps saying we've existed for eleventy gazillion years and this slight increase in CO2 level is negligible, think again.
Instead of saying that, put this into perspective and see how damaging we are to this Earth. Think of when the first automobile was introduced, the Industrial Revolution, industrial growth, nuclear powers, etc... Yes, we as human have done THAT MUCH damage within the last 100 years or so. How ever many years of our existence means nothing comparing to the last 100 years.
When will you start caring?
Think again!
Instead of saying that, put this into perspective and see how damaging we are to this Earth. Think of when the first automobile was introduced, the Industrial Revolution, industrial growth, nuclear powers, etc... Yes, we as human have done THAT MUCH damage within the last 100 years or so. How ever many years of our existence means nothing comparing to the last 100 years.
When will you start caring?
Think again!
Scientists in the 19th century were convinced that the vast majority of the universe's secrets have been figured out and only extremely minor details remained. Amazing how wrong they were, but how amazingly SMUG they were in being wrong.
The reality is that scientists, and humans for that matter, don't know sh!t. We can't explain the huge gap in the fossil record, can't agree on earth's history, we havn't explored a fraction of the oceans, have a rough understanding of human pysiology, don't fully understand what exists between the earth's mantle and core, and on and on and on ....etc.
Humans are pompous, egotistical, self-centered pieces of barely evolved flesh. Sure we always strive to learn more, but as soon as we being to learn something we immediately rush to state something as ABSOLUTE FACT. Then in the following years we learn more and then revise our "facts". :roll:
It would be really great if science stopped being a sociopolitical circle jerk and actually about learning.
The reality is that scientists, and humans for that matter, don't know sh!t. We can't explain the huge gap in the fossil record, can't agree on earth's history, we havn't explored a fraction of the oceans, have a rough understanding of human pysiology, don't fully understand what exists between the earth's mantle and core, and on and on and on ....etc.
Humans are pompous, egotistical, self-centered pieces of barely evolved flesh. Sure we always strive to learn more, but as soon as we being to learn something we immediately rush to state something as ABSOLUTE FACT. Then in the following years we learn more and then revise our "facts". :roll:
It would be really great if science stopped being a sociopolitical circle jerk and actually about learning.
Less than 5 people would be able to post in it, and they'd only get about 1 post in each.
Once each person had paraphrased and linked to their scientist of choice, there'd be nothing left to say.
:beer:
I don't follow it but people really care. I want to find out how the planet got out of the ice age without us around.
I don't follow it but people really care. I want to find out how the planet got out of the ice age without us around.
Albany International Airport
Last Update on Feb 6, 5:51 pm EST
Fair
14°F
(-10°C) Humidity: 56 %
Wind Speed: NW 3 MPH
Barometer: 30.05" (1018.1 mb)
Dewpoint: 1°F (-17°C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.
Last Update on Feb 6, 5:51 pm EST
Fair
14°F
(-10°C) Humidity: 56 %
Wind Speed: NW 3 MPH
Barometer: 30.05" (1018.1 mb)
Dewpoint: 1°F (-17°C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.
Yay for blizzards; I haven't seen a good one for years here in good ol' MI.
They even closed the university for a day! Blizzard conditions for three days straight... ahhh. Too bad I was out of food.
Fortunately Papa Johns is a minute's walk away and was still open. One supreme extra large pizza has a lot of calories, enough to last out a blizzard.
They even closed the university for a day! Blizzard conditions for three days straight... ahhh. Too bad I was out of food.
Fortunately Papa Johns is a minute's walk away and was still open. One supreme extra large pizza has a lot of calories, enough to last out a blizzard.
Let's see, sun emits longwave radiation, longwave radiation hits earth. Since earth isn't a black body, some of that radiation gets reflected. Atmospheric greenhouse gases trap some of that reflected radiation. The earth warms. I don't know how you, or anyone, cannot believe this.
The only debatable question is whether the climate "anamolies" that occur today are due to global warming, natural phenomena, or by AOL.
My question for the whole global warming crowd would be.......
ok:Q you convinced me! its getting warmer. so what....................
so we have less land more water and some areas of the planet we may not be able to live anymore..... in the grand scheme of things. BIG DEAL!
the human race is very resourceful and trust me if it becomes that big of a problem we will figure out a solution.
The propoganda coming for the enviro wackos is just unbelievable. they are trying to scare everybody that you are going to wake up in 10 years and half the world is going to be flooded. like its going to be a big tidal wave or something..
so we need to shut down everything and go back to the 15th century.............
give me a break. we have real issues that are affecting people right at this moment.
put the effort were it can have immediate use and leave the planet debate be
world hungar/aids/cancer/homelessness pick you poison..
jeezz...
-fish
ok:Q you convinced me! its getting warmer. so what....................
so we have less land more water and some areas of the planet we may not be able to live anymore..... in the grand scheme of things. BIG DEAL!
the human race is very resourceful and trust me if it becomes that big of a problem we will figure out a solution.
The propoganda coming for the enviro wackos is just unbelievable. they are trying to scare everybody that you are going to wake up in 10 years and half the world is going to be flooded. like its going to be a big tidal wave or something..
so we need to shut down everything and go back to the 15th century.............
give me a break. we have real issues that are affecting people right at this moment.
put the effort were it can have immediate use and leave the planet debate be
world hungar/aids/cancer/homelessness pick you poison..
jeezz...
-fish
sandorski
No Lifer
- Oct 10, 1999
- 70,100
- 5,640
- 126
We'll survive, no doubt, but at what cost? Cities will need to spen $billions to either relocate(in part if not as a whole in some cases), Agriculture will have to migrate, Nations will have to adjust their dependencies(US may become Net Food Importer rather than Exporter for example). All those changes cost big $$ that could be avoided. Economies around the World will take a major hit in order to survive, many places will become Politically and Socially unstable likely causing conflict Internally and Externally. If we were Nomads this wouldn't be such a big deal, we could just move, but we're not and where we live and how we live(in the Industrialized world) involves huge investments in Infrastructure.
The answer is simple, nuclear exchange with china.
1. lower world population
2. nuclear winter
3. forgiven massive national debt
1. lower world population
2. nuclear winter
3. forgiven massive national debt
Krazy4Real
Lifer
- Oct 3, 2003
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Jeff7
Lifer
- Jan 4, 2001
- 41,599
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Put a globe in your oven and say that.
So what do you suggest we do? Go as if everything we know is totally baseless and unusable? Newtonian physics was "right" for a long time. Now we know that it only applies to things on Earth, or applications where the small error introduced by relativity is not a problem. If you throw a ball upward with a certain speed, and you want to know how fast it will hit the ground 1m below where it was thrown, Newtonian physics works just fine. Relativity won't do much of anything at those speeds. If you're tuning a GPS satellite orbiting at high speed, suddenly relativity is a big deal.
I'd like it too if it wasn't a "sociopolitical circle jerk," but science will and should wind its way into politics at some point in time. We have laws regarding sanitation, and laws regarding building safety. That's legislation courtesy of science.
Global warming? It seems like something's happening to Earth's temperature. The global average is increasing. Models indicate that this could cause numerous problems. Granted, these are models. Models are an approximation of reality. They're the best we can do, which is all that we can ever do. In time, our "best" hopefully improves. But the fact is, we can't wait until we are at the absolute best to take action. Medical science for example, relied on what we regard as archaic methods, which may have done more harm than good. Fact is, bleeding the bad blood out of someone may have been the best they could do at the time. Eventually, the idea of pathogens came around, and it was discovered that it wasn't evil spirits causing disease, but tiny organisms. I'd imagine that this discovery made its way into the political system, for the beginnings of good sanitary codes.
Resource depletion is another issue intertwined with climate change. Burning of fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide that nature effectively locked away millions of years ago. There is also a finite amount of oil, coal, and natural gas. That simply can't be argued mathematically - Earth's volume is finite, thus it cannot contain an infinite supply of anything. The question is, when do we run out, or more accurately, when will the cost of extraction become too great to be economically viable? I think it's a good idea to play it safe, rather than just plow on ahead consuming like crazy, and then only when we finally realize, "Hey, there really isn't a whole lot left to dig up," it's going to be a really rough transition to alternate energy sources. If we make the transition gradually, starting now, it'll be more like going up a long ramp as it's built, rather than slamming into a cliff and having to quickly build something expensive with which to scale it.
You is correct, time to repair the roof is before the rain starts. Else, we will get enthropied out.
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Put a globe in your oven and say that.
So what do you suggest we do? Go as if everything we know is totally baseless and unusable? Newtonian physics was "right" for a long time. Now we know that it only applies to things on Earth, or applications where the small error introduced by relativity is not a problem. If you throw a ball upward with a certain speed, and you want to know how fast it will hit the ground 1m below where it was thrown, Newtonian physics works just fine. Relativity won't do much of anything at those speeds. If you're tuning a GPS satellite orbiting at high speed, suddenly relativity is a big deal.
I'd like it too if it wasn't a "sociopolitical circle jerk," but science will and should wind its way into politics at some point in time. We have laws regarding sanitation, and laws regarding building safety. That's legislation courtesy of science.
Global warming? It seems like something's happening to Earth's temperature. The global average is increasing. Models indicate that this could cause numerous problems. Granted, these are models. Models are an approximation of reality. They're the best we can do, which is all that we can ever do. In time, our "best" hopefully improves. But the fact is, we can't wait until we are at the absolute best to take action. Medical science for example, relied on what we regard as archaic methods, which may have done more harm than good. Fact is, bleeding the bad blood out of someone may have been the best they could do at the time. Eventually, the idea of pathogens came around, and it was discovered that it wasn't evil spirits causing disease, but tiny organisms. I'd imagine that this discovery made its way into the political system, for the beginnings of good sanitary codes.
Resource depletion is another issue intertwined with climate change. Burning of fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide that nature effectively locked away millions of years ago. There is also a finite amount of oil, coal, and natural gas. That simply can't be argued mathematically - Earth's volume is finite, thus it cannot contain an infinite supply of anything. The question is, when do we run out, or more accurately, when will the cost of extraction become too great to be economically viable? I think it's a good idea to play it safe, rather than just plow on ahead consuming like crazy, and then only when we finally realize, "Hey, there really isn't a whole lot left to dig up," it's going to be a really rough transition to alternate energy sources. If we make the transition gradually, starting now, it'll be more like going up a long ramp as it's built, rather than slamming into a cliff and having to quickly build something expensive with which to scale it.
Yes we need to continue on as we have been all the while exploring new technologies.
When we get to a point that the cost of fossil fuels becomes greater than the alternative technologies then the market will change very rapidly. Capitalism is the greatest weapon to implement radical change. It always follows the profits...................
Until then lets full steam ahead......chewchew
-fish
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