Ohio State #2 in the BCS?

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: mpitts
I'd prefer if he fell forward on the way to the stadium and broke an ankle or something (nothing serious, just enough to keep him out of the game).

Yes, I love that style of football, but I detest Michigan.

That's fine. I'm hoping Lydell Ross and Maurice Hall DON'T get hurt so they have to play the whole game.

Soooo... you're saying just like the National Championship, Krenzel is going to be the leading rusher for the game?

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: mpitts
I'd prefer if he fell forward on the way to the stadium and broke an ankle or something (nothing serious, just enough to keep him out of the game).

Yes, I love that style of football, but I detest Michigan.

That's fine. I'm hoping Lydell Ross and Maurice Hall DON'T get hurt so they have to play the whole game.

Soooo... you're saying just like the National Championship, Krenzel is going to be the leading rusher for the game?

That would be fine by me. This isn't last year.

 

[gflores]

Well, well.. it seems as though the Ohio State bashing has begun Everyone rejoice!

First of all, it's so damn confusing with OSU meaning Oklahoma State and Ohio State University. Damn them both! OSU will be referred to Ohio State in this post.

Secondly, to the guy that said, OSU beat a very good MSU team... Well, I said the same thing when UM beat MSU, but some OSU guy said, "There was no friggin' way that MSU deserved that ranking. Michigan beating MSU was a foregone conclusion." hmm....

Man, I can feel the excitement! OSU should've lost so many times, it frustrates me! I gotta admit, they know how to win, even if it is by luck or by their opponents shooting themselves in the foot (NC State, SDSU). It's like they got this curse that makes everyone suck, except they suck just a little bit less.

Michigan lost to Oregon and Iowa by a difference of 6 points. Michigan should've won those games. Michigan will surely not keep this game too close and blow out OSU (relatively) as they have been doing for 4 out of their last 5 games. Michigan has all the momentum coming into this game. OSU had 2 games decided by 3 pts or less in the last 3 games. I think they're a little nervous as they head to the Big House where 110,000+ fans will be cheering for Michigan. Maybe with Clarett, you would have a chance...

Frankly, I think this game is either gonna be a heartbreaker for Michigan or a blowout (14+ pts) win for Michigan. BTW, in case you didn't know... UM vs OSU is the greatest rivalry in the 20th century according to ESPN and Michigan has the best uniforms (forgot the link).

"From 1970 through 1975, Michigan entered without a loss every year. The Wolverines won just once. Ohio State was 9-0-1 in 1993, 11-0 in 1995 and 10-0 in 1996. The Buckeyes lost each time. That is rivalry." - ESPN

My favorite pic... GO BLUE!!! Thanks to kb315 for linking it earlier

- Gabe

2 questions
If OSU loses to UM, how far down will they fall (in BCS and polls)
If UM wins, how far up will they go in BCS and polls? Will they be ahead of OSU?

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: gflores
Well, well.. it seems as though the Ohio State bashing has begun Everyone rejoice!

First of all, it's so damn confusing with OSU meaning Oklahoma State and Ohio State University. Damn them both! OSU will be referred to Ohio State in this post.

Secondly, to the guy that said, OSU beat a very good MSU team... Well, I said the same thing when UM beat MSU, but some OSU guy said, "There was no friggin' way that MSU deserved that ranking. Michigan beating MSU was a foregone conclusion." hmm....

Man, I can feel the excitement! OSU should've lost so many times, it frustrates me! I gotta admit, they know how to win, even if it is by luck or by their opponents shooting themselves in the foot (NC State, SDSU). It's like they got this curse that makes everyone suck, except they suck just a little bit less.

Michigan lost to Oregon and Iowa by a difference of 6 points. Michigan should've won those games. Michigan will surely not keep this game too close and blow out OSU (relatively) as they have been doing for 4 out of their last 5 games. Michigan has all the momentum coming into this game. OSU had 2 games decided by 3 pts or less in the last 3 games. I think they're a little nervous as they head to the Big House where 110,000+ fans will be cheering for Michigan.

Frankly, I think this game is either gonna be a heartbreaker for Michigan or a blowout (14+ pts) win for Michigan. BTW, in case you didn't know... UM vs OSU is the greatest rivalry in the 20th century according to ESPN and Michigan has the best uniforms (forgot the link).

"From 1970 through 1975, Michigan entered without a loss every year. The Wolverines won just once. Ohio State was 9-0-1 in 1993, 11-0 in 1995 and 10-0 in 1996. The Buckeyes lost each time. That is rivalry." - ESPN

- Gabe

2 questions
If OSU loses to UM, how far down will they fall (in BCS and polls)
If UM wins, how far up will they go in BCS and polls? Will they be ahead of OSU?

Excellent post. I love this week. Michigan / Ohio State week is something I look forward to every year.

To answer your questions, I would bet (since the voters don't much care for OSU as it is) that OSU would fall to probably 7 or 8 in the human polls (maybe lower if Michigan wins convincingly). And if Michigan does win, they will go to 4 in the human polls. Also, Michigan will more than likely wind up being the highest rated team with 2 losses in the BCS.

 

[gflores]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: gflores
Well, well.. it seems as though the Ohio State bashing has begun Everyone rejoice!

First of all, it's so damn confusing with OSU meaning Oklahoma State and Ohio State University. Damn them both! OSU will be referred to Ohio State in this post.

Secondly, to the guy that said, OSU beat a very good MSU team... Well, I said the same thing when UM beat MSU, but some OSU guy said, "There was no friggin' way that MSU deserved that ranking. Michigan beating MSU was a foregone conclusion." hmm....

Man, I can feel the excitement! OSU should've lost so many times, it frustrates me! I gotta admit, they know how to win, even if it is by luck or by their opponents shooting themselves in the foot (NC State, SDSU). It's like they got this curse that makes everyone suck, except they suck just a little bit less.

Michigan lost to Oregon and Iowa by a difference of 6 points. Michigan should've won those games. Michigan will surely not keep this game too close and blow out OSU (relatively) as they have been doing for 4 out of their last 5 games. Michigan has all the momentum coming into this game. OSU had 2 games decided by 3 pts or less in the last 3 games. I think they're a little nervous as they head to the Big House where 110,000+ fans will be cheering for Michigan.

Frankly, I think this game is either gonna be a heartbreaker for Michigan or a blowout (14+ pts) win for Michigan. BTW, in case you didn't know... UM vs OSU is the greatest rivalry in the 20th century according to ESPN and Michigan has the best uniforms (forgot the link).

"From 1970 through 1975, Michigan entered without a loss every year. The Wolverines won just once. Ohio State was 9-0-1 in 1993, 11-0 in 1995 and 10-0 in 1996. The Buckeyes lost each time. That is rivalry." - ESPN

- Gabe

2 questions
If OSU loses to UM, how far down will they fall (in BCS and polls)
If UM wins, how far up will they go in BCS and polls? Will they be ahead of OSU?

Excellent post. I love this week. Michigan / Ohio State week is something I look forward to every year.

To answer your questions, I would bet (since the voters don't much care for OSU as it is) that OSU would fall to probably 7 or 8 in the human polls (maybe lower if Michigan wins convincingly). And if Michigan does win, they will go to 4 in the human polls. Also, Michigan will more than likely wind up being the highest rated team with 2 losses in the BCS.

See, the thing is... OSU has like 7 points in the BCS poll, while Michigan has 19. I'm afraid that even if UM wins, they'll still be behind OSU... I hope I'm wrong. I have no idea how the BCS system works... only like 3 people in the world do, lol.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: gflores
Secondly, to the guy that said, OSU beat a very good MSU team... Well, I said the same thing when UM beat MSU, but some OSU guy said, "There was no friggin' way that MSU deserved that ranking. Michigan beating MSU was a foregone conclusion." hmm....

I said that and I stand by it. But the fact remains that OSU beat MSU by a wider margin and in a more convincing way than did UM. MSU is always "a very good team" but their place is as a spoiler. Let's face it, MSU always finds a way to choke in the bigger games. Every now and again they play out of their heads and beat OSU or UM, but those games are by far the exception to the rule.

And you cannot use one opinion to disprove another opinion. Nice try though.

ZV

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: gflores
Secondly, to the guy that said, OSU beat a very good MSU team... Well, I said the same thing when UM beat MSU, but some OSU guy said, "There was no friggin' way that MSU deserved that ranking. Michigan beating MSU was a foregone conclusion." hmm....

I said that and I stand by it. But the fact remains that OSU beat MSU by a wider margin and in a more convincing way than did UM. MSU is always "a very good team" but their place is as a spoiler. Let's face it, MSU always finds a way to choke in the bigger games. Every now and again they play out of their heads and beat OSU or UM, but those games are by far the exception to the rule.

And you cannot use one opinion to disprove another opinion. Nice try though.

ZV

Not to get into a pissing contest, but Michigan beat Purdue by a wider margin and in WAY more convincing fashion that OSU did.

What does that mean in relation to the UM/OSU game? Nothing. It means tune in Saturday to see who is better.

 

[gflores]

Originally posted by: mpitts

It means tune in Saturday to see who is better.

Agreed :beer:

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Mani
So far the only things I have seen Buck fans rest their hopes on in the Michigan game is that they stop the run and force Navarre to choke.

With the way the Michigan o-line, Navarre, and Perry have been playing, I have a feeling they will be sorely disappointed. The only thing that can hurt Michigan is what has killed them in the 2 losses: Special Teams failures. The only way I see the Bucks offense producing points is if they have a short field to work with. Make them drive 70-80 yards and they'll sputter out.

It kills me that Michigan is 3 pts away from being #2 and 7 points away from being undefeated, but a good win over the bucks will be a happy ending.

27-9 Michigan

OSU has 33 fewer points against than the second best defensive team in terms of points against (Purdue). 40 fewer than Michigan. Just like last year, many teams with high-flying offenses have come to play OSU only to end up slogging it out in an old-fashioned defensive battle with very little scoring.

Granted, if the OSU defense has an off day, we're done. It's as simple as that since we don't have a fire-breathing offense to bail us out.

ZV

The points against stats are driven by our out of conference game (which unlike OSU was played Away) and our game vs. Minnesota, a team OSU has not had to play and has one of the highest producing offenses in the conference and even the nation - it was Michigan's only major defensive breakdown this year.

said that and I stand by it. But the fact remains that OSU beat MSU by a wider margin and in a more convincing way than did UM.

You simply cannot compare a the two games. For one, the Michigan/MSU game is a rivalry game which brings out the best in the lesser team. And secondly, OSU had them at home - HUGE difference because it is common knowledge that both OSU and UM play 500% better at home. We did a better job of containing Purdue which is a better comparison because it is a common opponent that both teams played at home.

 

[isildur]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Mani
So far the only things I have seen Buck fans rest their hopes on in the Michigan game is that they stop the run and force Navarre to choke.

With the way the Michigan o-line, Navarre, and Perry have been playing, I have a feeling they will be sorely disappointed. The only thing that can hurt Michigan is what has killed them in the 2 losses: Special Teams failures. The only way I see the Bucks offense producing points is if they have a short field to work with. Make them drive 70-80 yards and they'll sputter out.

It kills me that Michigan is 3 pts away from being #2 and 7 points away from being undefeated, but a good win over the bucks will be a happy ending.

27-9 Michigan

OSU has 33 fewer points against than the second best defensive team in terms of points against (Purdue). 40 fewer than Michigan. Just like last year, many teams with high-flying offenses have come to play OSU only to end up slogging it out in an old-fashioned defensive battle with very little scoring.

Granted, if the OSU defense has an off day, we're done. It's as simple as that since we don't have a fire-breathing offense to bail us out.

ZV

The points against stats are driven by our out of conference game (which unlike OSU was played Away) and our game vs. Minnesota, a team OSU has not had to play and has one of the highest producing offenses in the conference and even the nation - it was Michigan's only major defensive breakdown this year.

said that and I stand by it. But the fact remains that OSU beat MSU by a wider margin and in a more convincing way than did UM.

You simply cannot compare a the two games. For one, the Michigan/MSU game is a rivalry game which brings out the best in the lesser team. And secondly, OSU had them at home - HUGE difference because it is common knowledge that both OSU and UM play 500% better at home. We did a better job of containing Purdue which is a better comparison because it is a common opponent that both teams played at home.

These points are true (re: msu/um rivalry), but you can't ignore the "playing the defending national champs" angle too - EVERYONE gets hyped to play the champs. Our non-conference games also included 2 fantastic qb's running offenses leaning toward spread and we handled them pretty well.
- shrug -

It IS a disaster that the big 10 teams neither face all opponents nor have a championship game - who else thinks its absurd that OSU beat miami to be national champs yet SHARES the big 10 title?? We definitely should play Minnesota - we should play EVERYONE in the conference and be done with this "sharing" conference champ crap.

As for UM, they look good right now & playing in the big house is always rough, but I think you are kidding yourself if you think they've seen a front 4 like OSU's since...well since last year. IF Perry can get going, it will be a long, long day but that's a pretty big "if."
It's silly to try to grind it out against OSU, that's their type of game and you are playing to the strength of our D. The teams that have had the most success have come out throwing and then run unexpectedly out of odd sets to counter the blitz and to prevent OSU from clamping down on the line. If we know you're gonna run, we'll eat you for lunch - surprise us with it though and you'll have a chance to steal some yards. Plus, our secondary is clearly the "weakness" of our D - not that they are sub-par, just not as good as against the run. UM is well coached so I would expect them to come out and let their senior QB attack us some and then mix in the run along the way - expect a balanced attack at best, or an aerial assault, but NOT a grinder. Of course, if it snows or rains, that would put a crimp in the air attack...which means we'll have to count on our D to get us a score probably (again).

I'm not sure OSU could beat a USC or LSU or the other OSU, but they can likely play CLOSE to most anybody IF they bring the solid D.

 

[vi edit]

Personally, I think conferences should all play intra-conference games. With the off exception of say - a rival university from a border state - like Iowa playing Nebraska. But I just really don't like playing these fluff teams up front (Buffalo? Pfft). We did play Miami (Ohio), who are a very respected team, but still. I really think that teams should play within their own conference. They play 11-12 games a year. Most conferences have between 8-14 teams in them. There is no reason that a conference like the Big 10(although 11 teams) doesn't play everyone.

BTW - I'd love to see Notre Dame come into the Big 10.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: gflores

See, the thing is... OSU has like 7 points in the BCS poll, while Michigan has 19. I'm afraid that even if UM wins, they'll still be behind OSU... I hope I'm wrong. I have no idea how the BCS system works... only like 3 people in the world do, lol.

Ok, there is a 12 point difference. If Michigan wins, OSU gets one more point, making it an 11 point difference. In the Polls, Michigan will definitely move up 1 spot past OSU, 10 point difference. OSU, being the lowest rated (in the polls) 1 loss team will probably fall to at least the middle of the pack of the 2 loss teams. That puts them 7th at best, meaning that the differece in BCS is now 7 points. In the computers, OSU will fall to the top of the two loss teams, giving them 2 more BCS points, That leaves a difference of 5 points. Michigan is getting 11 points in the computers, but they will probably go up to the top of the 2 loss teams (behind OSU). That is probably 5 points, making up the difference. Michigans SOS will improve by almost a full point, while OSU's will only improve slightly. Overall, I would expect Michigan to be slightly ahead of OSU in the BCS.

Edit: one more thing. Michigan should get a QW bonus for beating OSU. That increases the gap a little more in Michigans favor.

 

[gflores]

Originally posted by: sciencewhizOverall, I would expect Michigan to be slightly ahead of OSU in the BCS.

That's all I needed to know.

 

[Tom]

"Edit: one more thing. Michigan should get a QW bonus for beating OSU. That increases the gap a little more in Michigans favor. "

Yea, it sucks for the Buckeyes that Michigan couldn't beat Oregon, costing the Buckeyes any quality win points if they happen to beat Michigan.

I bet Michigan lost to the Ducks on purpose, just to spite us.
:disgust:

 

[gflores]

If UM had beaten Oregon, I wonder who would've been higher in the rankings... I think UM would've been.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: gflores
If UM had beaten Oregon, I wonder who would've been higher in the rankings... I think UM would've been.

Maybe, but it would still come down to the final regular season showdown for the conference championship and at a minimum, the Rose Bowl, if not the national championship

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: gflores
If UM had beaten Oregon, I wonder who would've been higher in the rankings... I think UM would've been.

More than likely, UM would be either #2 or #3 in the human polls, plus would be much higher in all computer polls. That would probably put them at #2 in the BCS.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: gflores
If UM had beaten Oregon, I wonder who would've been higher in the rankings... I think UM would've been.

Michigan would have been higher in the polls, for sure. OSU probably would have been higher in the computers. Hard to tell overall, though I'd give the edge to OSU.

In Colley's rankings, Michigan would have be in 3rd, still well behind OSU. http://www.colleyrankings.com/scgi-bin/playgod.cgi

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: gflores
If UM had beaten Oregon, I wonder who would've been higher in the rankings... I think UM would've been.

More than likely, UM would be either #2 or #3 in the human polls, plus would be much higher in all computer polls. That would probably put them at #2 in the BCS.

But other than the fact that a win over UM would give OSU some QW points, would it really change anything?

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Mookow
But other than the fact that a win over UM would give OSU some QW points, would it really change anything?

The game would be for the sugar bowl, instead of the rose bowl

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Mookow
But other than the fact that a win over UM would give OSU some QW points, would it really change anything?

The game would be for the sugar bowl, instead of the rose bowl

For OSU, there is a pretty good chance that it is for the Sugar Bowl.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: isildur

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Mani
So far the only things I have seen Buck fans rest their hopes on in the Michigan game is that they stop the run and force Navarre to choke.

With the way the Michigan o-line, Navarre, and Perry have been playing, I have a feeling they will be sorely disappointed. The only thing that can hurt Michigan is what has killed them in the 2 losses: Special Teams failures. The only way I see the Bucks offense producing points is if they have a short field to work with. Make them drive 70-80 yards and they'll sputter out.

It kills me that Michigan is 3 pts away from being #2 and 7 points away from being undefeated, but a good win over the bucks will be a happy ending.

27-9 Michigan

OSU has 33 fewer points against than the second best defensive team in terms of points against (Purdue). 40 fewer than Michigan. Just like last year, many teams with high-flying offenses have come to play OSU only to end up slogging it out in an old-fashioned defensive battle with very little scoring.

Granted, if the OSU defense has an off day, we're done. It's as simple as that since we don't have a fire-breathing offense to bail us out.

ZV

The points against stats are driven by our out of conference game (which unlike OSU was played Away) and our game vs. Minnesota, a team OSU has not had to play and has one of the highest producing offenses in the conference and even the nation - it was Michigan's only major defensive breakdown this year.

said that and I stand by it. But the fact remains that OSU beat MSU by a wider margin and in a more convincing way than did UM.

You simply cannot compare a the two games. For one, the Michigan/MSU game is a rivalry game which brings out the best in the lesser team. And secondly, OSU had them at home - HUGE difference because it is common knowledge that both OSU and UM play 500% better at home. We did a better job of containing Purdue which is a better comparison because it is a common opponent that both teams played at home.

These points are true (re: msu/um rivalry), but you can't ignore the "playing the defending national champs" angle too - EVERYONE gets hyped to play the champs. Our non-conference games also included 2 fantastic qb's running offenses leaning toward spread and we handled them pretty well.
- shrug -

It IS a disaster that the big 10 teams neither face all opponents nor have a championship game - who else thinks its absurd that OSU beat miami to be national champs yet SHARES the big 10 title?? We definitely should play Minnesota - we should play EVERYONE in the conference and be done with this "sharing" conference champ crap.

As for UM, they look good right now & playing in the big house is always rough, but I think you are kidding yourself if you think they've seen a front 4 like OSU's since...well since last year. IF Perry can get going, it will be a long, long day but that's a pretty big "if."
It's silly to try to grind it out against OSU, that's their type of game and you are playing to the strength of our D. The teams that have had the most success have come out throwing and then run unexpectedly out of odd sets to counter the blitz and to prevent OSU from clamping down on the line. If we know you're gonna run, we'll eat you for lunch - surprise us with it though and you'll have a chance to steal some yards. Plus, our secondary is clearly the "weakness" of our D - not that they are sub-par, just not as good as against the run. UM is well coached so I would expect them to come out and let their senior QB attack us some and then mix in the run along the way - expect a balanced attack at best, or an aerial assault, but NOT a grinder. Of course, if it snows or rains, that would put a crimp in the air attack...which means we'll have to count on our D to get us a score probably (again).

I'm not sure OSU could beat a USC or LSU or the other OSU, but they can likely play CLOSE to most anybody IF they bring the solid D.

On playing "up" - I think teams play up to Michigan and OSU regardless of whether they are defending a championship or not. Oregon played what many of their own fans called the best half of Oregon football _ever_ against Michigan, and many believe Autzen was the loudest it has ever been for that game (which is saying a lot - that stadium is insanely loud).

I agree, it is a travesty that the B10 doesn't have a championship especially considering that not all teams play each other. Between that and the wtf BCS rankings

There is no doubt Michigan hasn't seen a D-line the likes of OSU's front 4. But then again, OSU has not yet seen an O-line as good as Michigan's (limiting the #1 in sacks MSU D to a single sack all game, and that too on a roll-out play). Should be an awesome matchup.

Counting down the seconds....

 

[PlatinumGold]

welp. Michigan beat OSU.

wow, BCS is going to be a MESS, especially if LSU wins.

 

[fjorner]

if LSU beats ole miss today (it is currently halftime), they should be #2. enough of this USC crap.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: fjorner
if LSU beats ole miss today (it is currently halftime), they should be #2. enough of this USC crap.

agreed, but if not this week, if LSU goes on to beat Ole Miss AND the SEC tourney, than there should be NO doubt about who is #2.