OH NO COPYRIGHTS!!!!!

[Nik]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
So each time you download a movie, the producers don't have the movie anymore?

The damage done in stealing is that the originator no longer has said item.

Is piracy ok? no, it's still illegal, but it's a different crime, and WAY less damaging then someone breaking into a store and taking money or items.

FAIL.

grow up, son.

RedSquirrel is correct.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
So each time you download a movie, the producers don't have the movie anymore?

The damage done in stealing is that the originator no longer has said item.

Is piracy ok? no, it's still illegal, but it's a different crime, and WAY less damaging then someone breaking into a store and taking money or items.

FAIL.

grow up, son.

RedSquirrel is correct.

You have to give them credit, they have successfully brainwashed an entire generation to not understand the difference between copyright infringement and theft. The fact that they use the RIAA/MPAA sanctioned terminology in discussions regarding copyright issues is a victory itself.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: MrMatt
Stealing is stealing, plain and simple. Do I DL mp3s or movies or tv shows? yeah, you bet I do. ANd it's stealing. (I feel like George in that Seinfeld episode where he bootlegs a movie). If I could afford all the stuff I DL I would definitely buy/pay for it. But I'm broke, and I still want to watch movies & tv shows with my gf, so I'm going to DL them. When I have a better paying job, I'll pay for them legally. For now, I'm stealing.

Holy shit that was refreshing to read. Nice job.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: EricMartello
Dear Verizon Online Customer:

...
We are contacting you because our records indicate that the Internet protocol (IP) address provided to us by the copyright owner was assigned to your service on the date and time identified by the copyright owner. While this activity may have occurred without your permission or knowledge by an unauthorized user, or perhaps by a minor who may not fully understand the copyright laws, as the primary account holder, you are legally responsible for all activity originating from your account.
...

Hypothetically, assuming that the OP had an unsecured (or hacked) WiFi, and in fact did not download Brokeback, is he still legally responsible for the violation?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
So each time you download a movie, the producers don't have the movie anymore?

The damage done in stealing is that the originator no longer has said item.

Is piracy ok? no, it's still illegal, but it's a different crime, and WAY less damaging then someone breaking into a store and taking money or items.

FAIL.

grow up, son.

RedSquirrel is correct.

You people are hopeless. I'll be damned if my social security taxes pay for your worthless asses when you're all old and grizzled.

hell, we're probably the same age. Which is embarrassing.

 

[frostedflakes]

I guess it's just arguing semantics, but technically they're right -- Legally it is copyright infringement. Have you ever heard of a copyright holder taking a person to court for theft? They tried to charge somebody for it back in the 80s (Dowling v. United States) and the court threw out the theft charges.

I mean people obviously use stealing/theft/piracy/copyright infringement interchangeably in casual conversation, but are you really trying to claim that in the eyes of the law, copyright infringement and theft are the same thing?

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
So each time you download a movie, the producers don't have the movie anymore?

The damage done in stealing is that the originator no longer has said item.

Is piracy ok? no, it's still illegal, but it's a different crime, and WAY less damaging then someone breaking into a store and taking money or items.

FAIL.

grow up, son.

RedSquirrel is correct.

You have to give them credit, they have successfully brainwashed an entire generation to not understand the difference between copyright infringement and theft. The fact that they use the RIAA/MPAA sanctioned terminology in discussions regarding copyright issues is a victory itself.

Would the RIAA/MPAA sanctioned terminology be "piracy" as opposed to "copyright infringement"? Main reason I use that is because piracy is a lot faster and everyone knows what you're talking about. Plus it still gives it a negative connotation... I don't think you should gloss over it, even though I do agree that we can help protect the integrity of the English language by calling things what they are and not what we want them to be (e.g., not calling something that isn't stealing, stealing).

zinfamous, are you saying that:

- Illegally downloading a movie, no matter the situation, always has the same effect on the movie's producers regardless of whether you planned on buying it anyway?
- Illegally downloading a movie actually deprives the movie's producers of an item that has physical value?

Again, I must stress that I don't think illegally downloading stuff is right, but I just don't understand how someone can argue that illegal downloads and stealing are exactly the same thing. I know you want to attach all the horrible, nasty, shameful stigma against stealing to illegal downloads, but you're really going way past the point of reasonable.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
So each time you download a movie, the producers don't have the movie anymore?

The damage done in stealing is that the originator no longer has said item.

Is piracy ok? no, it's still illegal, but it's a different crime, and WAY less damaging then someone breaking into a store and taking money or items.

FAIL.

grow up, son.

RedSquirrel is correct.

You have to give them credit, they have successfully brainwashed an entire generation to not understand the difference between copyright infringement and theft. The fact that they use the RIAA/MPAA sanctioned terminology in discussions regarding copyright issues is a victory itself.

Would the RIAA/MPAA sanctioned terminology be "piracy" as opposed to "copyright infringement"? Main reason I use that is because piracy is a lot faster and everyone knows what you're talking about. Plus it still gives it a negative connotation... I don't think you should gloss over it, even though I do agree that we can help protect the integrity of the English language by calling things what they are and not what we want them to be (e.g., not calling something that isn't stealing, stealing).

zinfamous, are you saying that:

- Illegally downloading a movie, no matter the situation, always has the same effect on the movie's producers regardless of whether you planned on buying it anyway?
- Illegally downloading a movie actually deprives the movie's producers of an item that has physical value?

Again, I must stress that I don't think illegally downloading stuff is right, but I just don't understand how someone can argue that illegal downloads and stealing are exactly the same thing. I know you want to attach all the horrible, nasty, shameful stigma against stealing to illegal downloads, but you're really going way past the point of reasonable.

TLR

You talking about the somalians?

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Nik
You're going to have to find a way to deal with the pain and sorrow of me giving you the middle finger instead of answering your questions because my answers don't mean jack shit.

Of course you are. Giving me concise answers that clearly lay out your feelings would undermine your arguments

Except in my model somebody is getting paid. In the "it's not stealing it's PIRACY" model, nobody gets paid.

LOL. So it's okay if people pirate movies and music and software as long as the guy selling the pirated product is getting paid?
I didn't mean the pirate, but you knew that

someone obviously has their panties in a bunch... must've missed hiis morning blunt.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: MrMatt
Stealing is stealing, plain and simple. Do I DL mp3s or movies or tv shows? yeah, you bet I do. ANd it's stealing. (I feel like George in that Seinfeld episode where he bootlegs a movie). If I could afford all the stuff I DL I would definitely buy/pay for it. But I'm broke, and I still want to watch movies & tv shows with my gf, so I'm going to DL them. When I have a better paying job, I'll pay for them legally. For now, I'm stealing.

Holy shit that was refreshing to read. Nice job.

you guys are brainwashed. copyright infringement is copyright infringement and stealing is stealing. pirating =/= stealing!

 

[Vette73]

So wait... does the plane take off or not? and did you buy a ticket or copyright infinge it?

 

[Modular]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: zinfamous
:roll:

stealing is stealing.

either way, this is all shens right? I mean...yeah?

You are correct. Stealing = stealing. A does equal A. However, since A does not equal B, copyright infringement is not stealing. Give up now, I will argue this till the cows come home.

You can rationalize your pirating all you want, it doesnt mean you arent a d-bag for doing it.

Once packet-sniffing is fully implemented, you wont be "copying" anything anymore.

Thanks to assholes like you, all of our original internet rights are being infringed.

Wow. Overreact much? First of all, those who don't break the law shouldn't have their rights infringed because of a TINY few that do break the law. That's bad government and if you're willing to go along with it, you don't deserve to complain.

Second, argued ad nauseum blah blah blah I'm still not wrong. It's not stealing. Nobody's losing any money or any data or any item.

Third, point your silly, uncalledfor personal attacks at someone else.

Since you don't see the logical fallacy in this, I'll point it out for you...

Do the majority of people steal, rape, murder, etc? No, but we are all governed by laws both natural, moral and of government that prohibit this. Laws are made for the inbred degenerates who can't control themselves. Internet pirates, thieves, etc who are in the minority. So he is absolutely correct in saying that we lose freedoms because of the minorities actions.

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: EricMartello
Dear Verizon Online Customer:

We are writing to advise you that Verizon recently received a notification from a copyright owner of a possible copyright violation that appears to involve your Verizon Online account (the "Complaint"). The work(s) identified by the copyright owner in its Complaint are listed below.

We are contacting you because our records indicate that the Internet protocol (IP) address provided to us by the copyright owner was assigned to your service on the date and time identified by the copyright owner. While this activity may have occurred without your permission or knowledge by an unauthorized user, or perhaps by a minor who may not fully understand the copyright laws, as the primary account holder, you are legally responsible for all activity originating from your account.

Copyright work(s) identified in the Complaint:

Copyright infringement level: 1
Notice ID: 17610328
Title: Brokeback Mountain
Protocol: BitTorrent
IP Address: 69.427.867.530
DNS: pool-69-427-867-530.sanfran.fios.verizon.net
File Name: Brokeback.Mountain.Uncut.720p.HD.x264-0mG-uA-fGT
File Size: 1884453764
Timestamp: 04-01-2009 23:56:54 UTC


Copyright infringement is a serious matter that violates U.S. copyright law and subjects infringers to criminal and civil liability, and possibly a spanking. It also violates our Acceptable Use Policy (http://www2.verizon.net/policies/acceptable_use.asp) and Terms of Service (http://www2.verizon.net/policies/tos.asp). If you, or someone using your Internet connection, are engaged in the conduct alleged by the copyright owner, we urge you to stop (and ensure that anyone else who might have access to your Internet connection also stops).

Protecting Your Privacy: The copyright owner has not asked Verizon to identify you, and Verizon will NOT provide your identity without a lawful subpoena or other lawful process. However, if the copyright owner does issue a lawful subpoena or other lawful process that seeks information about your identity or account, Verizon will be legally required to provide the requested information to the copyright owner.

If you have questions regarding this notice or would like to view Frequently Asked Questions about copyrights and piracy please visit us at www.verizon.net/copyrightfaq.

We appreciate your cooperation on this matter.

Sincerely,

Verizon Online

Self Ownage of the year!

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Crusty
Where's the problem/question?

illegal downloader is sad he is illegal.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: mugs
lol... it was actually a good movie, and it had more graphic heterosexual sex than the homosexual scenes.

umm I think you may be doing it wrong.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: mugs
I think some of you guys need some time together on Brokeback Mountain

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: MrMatt
Stealing is stealing, plain and simple. Do I DL mp3s or movies or tv shows? yeah, you bet I do. ANd it's stealing. (I feel like George in that Seinfeld episode where he bootlegs a movie). If I could afford all the stuff I DL I would definitely buy/pay for it. But I'm broke, and I still want to watch movies & tv shows with my gf, so I'm going to DL them. When I have a better paying job, I'll pay for them legally. For now, I'm stealing.

Holy shit that was refreshing to read. Nice job.

And they say 'entitlement' beliefs are just bullshit.

It's fucking amazing how many people can flat out steal something and then rationalize why they did and try to make it not a crime because simply either they do not agree with the law or that they can't afford something and deserve it...

One step scarier is those that are then too afraid to do what the other did, but will defend the shit out of it.