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happysmiles

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whenever I see people buy a keyboard/stand for their tablet I just facepalm, the sum cost(and probably weight) is more than a decent netbook which could do more (I'd like to see essays being written on touch screen.)

Microsoft use the mouse as an example and how they could foresee it's importance. this isn't that time again, we've all used touch a lot, we've used every kind and we clearly know what works for us.

I guess what Microsoft needs is to quote Apple "It just works"
and fire Ballmer/Sinofsky, they really never seem to get good software designers.

When I use my win 7 phone so much of it is err when it comes to changing settings, that OS has been out for nearly two years, with Win 8 following Win phone 7 I don't think their bad design choice is going anywhere.

These people insult themselves and us with their decisions
 
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VivienM

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whenever I see people buy a keyboard/stand for their tablet I just facepalm, the sum cost(and probably weight) is more than a decent netbook which could do more (I'd like to see essays being written on touch screen.)

Not just netbooks. Acer made some very nice CULV machines. 11.6" 1366x768, 2-4G of RAM, single/dual-core, 250-500G of HD, etc for $300-500 (CAD). They were discontinued with Nehalems, but I just saw that they launched a new line with Ivy Bridges. Way more powerful than netbooks... especially stock, 1G RAM, 1024x600 netbooks. (My own netbook is heavily modded with a 1366x768 screen, 2G RAM, dual-band wifi, SSD, etc)

That being said, I do quite like my iPad. But it's an expensive consumption toy. Good luck applying for a job with an iPad...
 

arod

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They switched Office to a new UI paradigm with the ribbon in 2007.

The thing is, what problem is Metro supposed to solve? As far as I can tell, it's a complete reinvention of everything for no good reason, other than the fact that some people, for certain uses, prefer tablet-style devices (and hey, I like my iPad too!). And because that future (or rather, the fact that Microsoft doesn't seem to be a part of it) scares the hell out of Steve Ballmer, he decides to throw the most popular desktop productivity OS in the world (and the developers who made it a success) under the bus.

WinRT solves a ton of issues that have plagued windows applications for years.... security and performance enhancements alone will be worth it but you will also have a much simpler installation/reinstallation/licensing model not to mention a centralized store for apps.

Metro is all about creating a universal ui that will scale to a multitude of devices.... and they chose to do it in conjunction with the new app model.
 

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I will admit, some of the metro apps are a lot better for desktops now. Still not great. And I'd like if we could actually split the windows 50/50 instead of the stupid 80/20 or whatever the heck it is.
 

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I've used the release preview for while now and in my opinion it's simply terrible. There is no real integration between Metro and the desktop and with the loss of Aero and the start menu they have damaged the desktop to badly for me to continue to use Windows to get work done.
 

Zaap

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+1

Many families have a sedan, SUV, Motorcycle, Boat, etc. I.e a combination of Motor Vehicle.
Now imagine if some knucklehead like Balmer got it in their skull that they all should have the same control interface.

"Hey, I love how I steer my motorcycle with handlebars! It's so neat! Now let's graft handlebars into the sedan, the SUV and the boat! What? You say you don't want to steer your SUV with handlebars or your sedan with a rudder? HA! You just don't like change!"

Since we're making so many vehicle analogies, that's similar to what we've got.


One site I read somewhere said it pretty perfectly: (paraphrasing) If you're telling people who like change SO MUCH that they are bothering to run beta and pre-release software that they don''t like change- YOU'VE FAILED. Laughably bad.

I would add, and your product has also probably failed, especially when it really does get ripped a new one by the general public who probably like 'change for the sake of change' even less than people that run beta software. People can keep kidding themselves, but I have a feeling telling every Tom, Dick and Aunt Martha to "just use keyboard shortcuts!" because a UI is this freakin' bad isn't going to cut it.
 

ViRGE

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The fact is that the majority of the winning concerning the Metro issue is done by Enthusiasts (the One %) and Not by Business.
All indications are that businesses are just flat-out ignoring Windows 8. Plenty will deploy Windows Server 2012 (Storage Spaces, *drool*), but Win8 seems to be getting all the interest of Vista from businesses.
You can run metro apps on multiple screens with the release preview but it's incomplete in that when you open the startmenu it will minimize apps on secondary screens.... who knows if that will get fixed but if it is the multiple screen argument will go away.... and that's how they solve that problem by letting you run metro apps on multiple screens.
That's considered a usability feature and not a bug or usability issue by MS. It won't be fixed.:(
The thing is, what problem is Metro supposed to solve?
It solves the problem that the Windows desktop doesn't work on touch screens (primarily tablets), and that Win32 makes it difficult to quickly develop applications for tablets. That's really all there is to it; MS isn't trying to hide that fact. Desktop users are an acceptable casualty right now.
 

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Many families have a sedan, SUV, Motorcycle, Boat, etc. I.e a combination of Motor Vehicle.

I have few computing device I do a lot of real High level work on them (I can afford few computers since I do not care about "bragging rights" and I do not have any computer with a Video card that cost more than $120, and a PSU that cost more than $60).

Two Computers run metro, two keep running Win7, (believe it or Not) one "toy" runs OSX 10.6.8.


:cool:

With Windows 8, Microsoft is forcing Metro on everyone.
Those Many Families of yours no long have a choice.
 

JackMDS

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All indications are that businesses are just flat-out ignoring Windows 8. Plenty will deploy Windows Server 2012 (Storage Spaces, *drool*), but Win8 seems to be getting all the interest of Vista from businesses.

It might be. However, I do not think that anyone ever went to "jail" for Not upgrading Video card, PSU, Mem, etc., or OS.

In general I think that we developed societal style that "Verbal tirades" are considered reality whether they adhere to factual content or not.

BTW, I still think that the Bad name that was given to Vista was over exaggerated.


:cool:
 

VivienM

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BTW, I still think that the Bad name that was given to Vista was over exaggerated.


Yes. Vista was a little rough on day 1, and third party support was missing. The world had gotten complacent with XP, and no one remembered how the first six months of a new MS OS are always rough. And then there was UAC...

But Vista was Windows. A keyboard/mouse-driven, heavy-duty desktop/workstation OS capable of doing serious productivity work.

Oh, and Vista had trouble running on i915 integrated graphics and other assorted older hardware. This monstrosity... is designed optimally for touch hardware that <1% of people have. So the amount of hardware thrown under the bus is much, much, much greater than with Vista. And with Vista, it was the low-end people getting their hardware thrown under the bus - with this thing, it's the power users who bought dual 24" monitors, etc.

My question to Mr. Sinofsky: once you get fired for this colossal screwup, how do you plan to use Metro to apply for another job? (and if Metro is so useless you need to drop back to the legacy desktop to put together a resume, a cover letter, and email/print the whole thing, then what does it tell you about your product's design?)
 

dagamer34

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Yes. Vista was a little rough on day 1, and third party support was missing. The world had gotten complacent with XP, and no one remembered how the first six months of a new MS OS are always rough. And then there was UAC...

But Vista was Windows. A keyboard/mouse-driven, heavy-duty desktop/workstation OS capable of doing serious productivity work.

Oh, and Vista had trouble running on i915 integrated graphics and other assorted older hardware. This monstrosity... is designed optimally for touch hardware that <1% of people have. So the amount of hardware thrown under the bus is much, much, much greater than with Vista. And with Vista, it was the low-end people getting their hardware thrown under the bus - with this thing, it's the power users who bought dual 24" monitors, etc.

My question to Mr. Sinofsky: once you get fired for this colossal screwup, how do you plan to use Metro to apply for another job? (and if Metro is so useless you need to drop back to the legacy desktop to put together a resume, a cover letter, and email/print the whole thing, then what does it tell you about your product's design?)

Sinofsky is not going to get fired. He'll be the next CEO in 2017 when Ballmer retires. And no, Ballmer isn't going to get fired either. People seem to stupidly forget that Windiws Vista still made Microsoft a ton of money.

Business adoption of Windows 8 will be limited to tablets. They were never going to adopt the OS for desktops (they are just now upgrading to Windows 7, what would convince then to spend more money to upgrade again?) But businesses play for software downgrade rights so it doesn't matter what OS they install, Microsoft still gets paid. The same cannot be said for the consumer market, where buying an iPad means not buying a Windows 8 tablet.

But I really wish people would separate blind emotion from good business sense, other wise wishing for "more of the same" is how you end up in a RIM-like situation where BlackBerry OS 5 is no different from BlackBerry OS 7 and your company gets lapped by competitors who out innovate you (Apple, Google, etc...).
 

Zaap

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Sinofsky is not going to get fired. He'll be the next CEO in 2017 when Ballmer retires. And no, Ballmer isn't going to get fired either. People seem to stupidly forget that Windiws Vista still made Microsoft a ton of money.

The people I see with the most blind emotion are the Microsoft apologists who seem butt-hurt when the truth about things are pointed out from all the rose-colored nonsense. It's not like we can't look this stuff up. Vista was a disaster, and at a time when PC sales were already in the crapper. Windows 7 reversed course. OS quality DOES matter to the bottom line.

Microsoft sales fall for first time in 23 years

Software giant revenue drops 6% and earnings plummet 32% as PC sales continue to weaken.

In January, Microsoft announced its first mass job cuts in its 34-year history in an effort to bolster its bottom line The company slashed 1,400 position during the quarter with another 3,600 expected to be cut by mid-2010. At that time, the company said it was also adding a few thousand positions, mainly in its online advertising division.

Windows: The company is banking on a new operating system to break out of its slump.

Microsoft's Vista operating system, which was released in early 2007, never took off like the company had hoped. Sales in the division that produces Vista fell 16% in the previous quarter. User satisfaction has been underwhelming, and IT departments have largely opted to stick with Vista's predecessor, Windows XP.

"Microsoft can't point to anything in their mix of products that excites people right now," said Allen Weiner, analyst with tech consultancy firm Gartner Research.

Early reviews of Microsoft's new Windows 7 system have been largely positive, but the stated release date isn't until late early 2010. Analysts think that Microsoft will push up the release date to later this year to help spur PC sales around the holiday season. The company expects the unveiling of its new operating system will help increase sales even if economic conditions remain challenging.

Notice they weren't looking to "that OS that was making them a ton of money!!!" to turn things around.

And Vista was a pile of gold compared to the pile of turd that Windows 8 is shaping up to be.


Windows 7 powers Microsoft profits up 35%

Microsoft's latest quarterly results show that Windows 7 is the engine driving the company's growth as it saw US$16 billion in revenue result in $4 billion profit. The company highlighted upgrades from business users as one of the big forces behind the rise in sales and with Office 2010 and SharePoint 2010 to come in the next quarter, it can expect a further boost in upgrades and sales as the Windows/Office duopoly kicks into top gear.

Wait, so that's %35 boost in profits over "a TON of money!!" from the previous OS? And business users upgrading was a driving force in the company's growth?? Say what?? You mean those people who it's now all the rage to ignore and scoff at and say "Aww, who needs you? Stick with the old OS!"

I just love the way Ballmer et al learn from all this 'ancient' history and aren't doomed to repeat any of it.
 

VivienM

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But I really wish people would separate blind emotion from good business sense, other wise wishing for "more of the same" is how you end up in a RIM-like situation where BlackBerry OS 5 is no different from BlackBerry OS 7 and your company gets lapped by competitors who out innovate you (Apple, Google, etc...).

But 'good business sense' includes maintaining a diverse product line...

Most companies have multiple product lines. Take an automaker: they might have a SUV or two, a few crossovers, a pickup truck, a small hatchback, and two or three sizes of sedans. Some automakers also have medium-duty/heavy-duty truck divisions. Some (e.g. Hyundai) even make coaches.
And presumably, unless they're stupid (and there is a reason 2 out of 3 US automakers went bust...), you try your hardest to make a competitive, if not best-in-class, product in each segment.

Microsoft is the dominant player in keyboard-mouse operating systems used for productivity applications. There remains a great market for keyboard-mouse operating systems (it's easy to say 'but people are busy using Facebook', but what are Facebook's developers supposed to use? Metro? What are Facebook's sysadmins supposed to use to monitor hundreds of thousands of servers? Metro?). That market may not be growing anymore; it may even be shrinking as some people find that their needs are better met by something else. But it's still a large, profitable market.

Again, a car analogy. Look at the shrinking of the pickup truck market in the face of high gas prices, etc. Again, you have some people whose needs are better served by something else moving away from pickup trucks. Was Ford's response to stop innovating in pickup trucks? No. They've continued to innovate in the truck segment, but at the same time, they launched some new small cars.

If Ballmer/Sinofsky ran Ford, they'd have discontinued the F series, and told contractors who need to carry building materials that they're "resistant to change" because they can't see themselves transporting 4000 lbs of bricks in a Fiesta. (And yes, you can carry 4000 lbs of bricks in a Fiesta. It requires making... 10+ trips. Which is about as efficient as using the 'Desktop' in Win8. But it can be done - you just need to 'update' your processes!) Luckily Alan Mulally isn't as stupid...

Ford needed a small car? Great, they launched one, while continuing to invest in and produce their pickup truck lineup because there's still considerable money to be made in pickup trucks, and that won't change until contractors (probably among some of Ford's most loyal customers) find a better way to move 4000 lbs of bricks in one shot.

(And if you want to talk about RIM, they could easily have launched a second OS/lineup years ago. Keep the businessy OS for as long as businesses whose executives know how to use it want it, and launch something else to compete in the consumer segment. Their mistake was that they stuck to a single-product strategy. )

You want another example? Look at mainframes. A shrinking market I'm sure, compared to 25+ years ago, but IBM hasn't given up, and in fact they're making lots of money selling mainframes to banks, airlines, and other such customers for which mainframes remain the best computing option. They have a nice little profitable niche with loyal customers who have a lot invested in the platform and who will happily come back to buy more. Just because an mainframe wasn't a good way to run PageMaker in 1986 didn't mean IBM killed the mainframe division...

Microsoft needed a tablet OS? Great, I have no problem with them launching one. But why did they deliberately degrade the keyboard/mouse experience for the serious productivity users? Why are they hinting that the serious productivity environment, for which there is no suitable replacement, is effectively deprecated? When they wanted to launch a video game console, they didn't turn Windows into an Xbox gaming-centered environment, did they?

Really, there are two reasons:
a) they want to create an installed base for Metro artificially. People going down to Worst Buy and picking up a home computer once W8 is out will be counted as part of MS' tablet user base. So might corporate machines with a Win8 sticker on the back, even if the company uses their volume licence agreement to downgrade to XP/7.
If they launched 'Windows Tablet Edition', and their partners delivered the same mediocre hardware they've always delivered, Windows Tablet Edition would sell one unit for every 50-100 iPads sold. (That's what happens when you're effectively ... third... to enter a market, and the competition has 80M units in the field while you have zero.) See Windows Phone. So this way, they can try to entice app developers and Wall Street analysts by bragging about their millions and millions of Metro-enabled systems that they shipped overnight. Even if those systems have been downgraded to 7, or if the home users are cursing Metro every day.
b) they're so blinded by iPad sales numbers that they've forgotten how cloud services are coded, administered, etc, not to mention all the other serious work that goes on every day in multitasking, multi-window, keyboard-mouse operating systems. (Again, just because pickup truck sales drop 50% doesn't mean that 4000 lbs of bricks magically move around in economy cars.)

This passes for good business sense?

Honestly, I increasingly agree with the people who think Win9 is the real end game. Turn Win8 into a tablet OS, and MS will get an installed base of 50-150M machines in 6 months, which will 'stop' their tablet bleeding. People who do real work will huff and puff, but will mostly stick to 7 since most of the serious productivity software doesn't really exist for anything else (maybe Mac OS X, but Apple's hardware lineup isn't ideal for business use right now). And then they launch 9, which will magically fix the problem, let people go back to a keyboard-mouse paradigm, and have the Metro things running in a little window on the side of your 2560x1440 screen.
 

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The Apps themselves can (possibly) help solve the Metro vs Explorer issue. If a single app can run in both interfaces at the same time then it would be better.

Apps like AutoCAD just are not going to work well in the Metro paradigm, but far fewer apps are like AutoCAD. Apps like chat are perfect examples of what I'm talking about. My department has people across the company and we keep in touch via chat. If in Metro, chat would be a full or 1/3 screen app. In explorer its a small window at the bottom right of my 2nd 22" LCD (I have dual screen at work). The OS needs one copy of chat running to save CPU & RAM (and therefore battery), but the app needs to be accessible in either Metro or Explorer. That way I can continue to work in either mode.

I don't know if Win8 will support this but I think it would help.
 

lifeblood

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Has anyone tried to run the Release Preview on a low end (atom) CPU? Something equivalent to what we will find in an actual tablet (not all-in-one PC)? We keep saying this thing is meant for tablets, but can it actually run an on a modern tablet?

Windows 7 is awesome on modern PCs, and even on older PC's. But can it run acceptably on a tablet platform with its low-end CPU and minimum RAM? MS must have really gutted Win8 to make it do so.

Anyone played any intense games on it? How did it run? I'm using it to type this but its in a VM so I'm not getting a true "feel" for its performance.
 

dagamer34

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The people I see with the most blind emotion are the Microsoft apologists who seem butt-hurt when the truth about things are pointed out from all the rose-colored nonsense. It's not like we can't look this stuff up. Vista was a disaster, and at a time when PC sales were already in the crapper. Windows 7 reversed course. OS quality DOES matter to the bottom line.

Microsoft sales fall for first time in 23 years



Notice they weren't looking to "that OS that was making them a ton of money!!!" to turn things around.

And Vista was a pile of gold compared to the pile of turd that Windows 8 is shaping up to be.


Windows 7 powers Microsoft profits up 35%



Wait, so that's %35 boost in profits over "a TON of money!!" from the previous OS? And business users upgrading was a driving force in the company's growth?? Say what?? You mean those people who it's now all the rage to ignore and scoff at and say "Aww, who needs you? Stick with the old OS!"

I just love the way Ballmer et al learn from all this 'ancient' history and aren't doomed to repeat any of it.

Umm.. are you really thinking that the 2008 recession had nothing to do with the decline in PC sales and profits in early 2009? Because if you really think so, I have this bridge made out of toothpicks I'd like to sell you.
 

happysmiles

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Has anyone tried to run the Release Preview on a low end (atom) CPU? Something equivalent to what we will find in an actual tablet (not all-in-one PC)? We keep saying this thing is meant for tablets, but can it actually run an on a modern tablet?

Windows 7 is awesome on modern PCs, and even on older PC's. But can it run acceptably on a tablet platform with its low-end CPU and minimum RAM? MS must have really gutted Win8 to make it do so.

Anyone played any intense games on it? How did it run? I'm using it to type this but its in a VM so I'm not getting a true "feel" for its performance.

I run it on a Intel Atom N570
it's super fast.
 

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The Apps themselves can (possibly) help solve the Metro vs Explorer issue. If a single app can run in both interfaces at the same time then it would be better.

My understanding is that this will not be the case; W8 will not combine the two interfaces in any way. Instead, the expectation is that you will use metro to the exclusion of all else.

As for games, I know several gamers who played TOR & Crysis 2 on W8 with minimal issues. Not sure if they perform any better.... (I'd doubt it)
 

Ichinisan

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That's why I don't get all these young whipper-snappers shouting a bunch of us down when we say we greatly prefer the classic start menu in Win7.
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/whycsm.html

Wow. I'm a keyboard accessibility nut, and I do share some of the same frustrations with the guy who wrote that about the newer-style Start Menu, but the guy is really misguided.

1. Keyboard navigation

In CSM I can press a key and activate a menu item starting with that letter. For example:
Win, U – Shutdown
Win, I – Internet Explorer
Win, S, C – Settings -> Control Panel
Win, P, W – Programs -> Word

If you name your programs and folders wisely you can access many frequently used programs with just 2 or 3 keys.

With NSM this is not possible. The search box steals all text input. It is possible to tab away from the search box and then you have some sort of keyboard navigation. It is still very limiting, thanks to problem #2.
While I'm also frustrated by the limited keyboard navigation, the search box ABSOLUTELY SHOULD have focus by-default. I hardly ever have to dive-in to "All Programs" if I just start to type part of the name, the shortcut appears in the start menu. I don't even have to finish typing the name. I just press the Enter key.

The rant goes on and on and on about using Win,U and Win,I shortcuts. I learned to avoid using those a LONG time ago because a program shortcut starting with the same letter will throw-off your keyboard shortcut. If you spend a lot of time working on other people's computers, you need to use a more precise shortcut. My shut-down shortcut is one of the following:

Win+D (Show desktop) followed by Alt+F4
Win+R (Run menu) and enter "shutdown -r -t 0" or "shutdown -s -t 0"

Win,I is an absolutely STUPID shortcut for Internet Explorer. My shortcut for Internet Explorer:
Win+R (Run menu) and enter "iexplore" or "iexplore whatever-address-i-want"
That's even better than waiting for some home page to load before I can type the address I want to go to.

Did he ever try typing "control" and then Enter?

In almost all cases, typing "Word" into the search box is more reliable than expecting to launch Word with a specific sequence of keys. A significant percentage of the time, you'll have new, unorganized shortcuts in your start menu that will interfere with your sequence. If you need something more-precise, do what I do:
Win+R (Run menu) and enter "winword"

You can’t rely on the same command producing the same result every time. Practically that makes it impossible to learn quick shortcuts like Win+U or Win+I.

Um...that's the reason I stopped using those stupid shortcuts...even on the old start menu. If you try to press "U" to access Turn Off Computer or Shut Down, or "I" to launch Internet Explorer, you're going to get unexpected results once in a while.

I haven't read any further. The guy seems to be more stubborn / ignorant than I originally thought.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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The weakness of the CSM is that your start menu has to be well organized, which is what the app search is supposed to take care of.
I definitely see the merits of that, but for my use case, I greatly prefer CSM :
csm_sorted.png
 

Zaap

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Umm.. are you really thinking that the 2008 recession had nothing to do with the decline in PC sales and profits in early 2009? Because if you really think so, I have this bridge made out of toothpicks I'd like to sell you.

Wow. Now this is what you call your classic smokescreen and dodge.

Heh. Also, you don't seem to really grasp the idea behind the whole "selling someone a bridge" concept, which is pretty ironic.

Clue: you COULD actually sell someone a bridge made out of toothpicks.

Meanwhile, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Cheap. I get the feeling you'd take me up on it.
 

JackMDS

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Has anyone tried to run the Release Preview on a low end (atom) CPU? Something equivalent to what we will find in an actual tablet (not all-in-one PC)? We keep saying this thing is meant for tablets, but can it actually run an on a modern tablet?

I have an EXOPC tablet it is actually made by a subsidiary of Asus and based on Intel ATOM.

Both Win 7 and Win 8 run well on it.

The EXOPC Slate is a 1.66Ghz Atom processor with 2GB of RAM, and SSD drive. It&#8217;s not nearly as powerful as the Samsung developer preview device, but still exceeds the minimum system requirements.

The new coming soon Windows 8 tablet (Samsung make some) are core i5, and will work much faster than my first generation PC Tablet. (Samsung make some).


Example in the 1st gen Samsung - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Q99V4lDA4


:cool:
 
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i'm enjoying the release preview quite a bit. very snappy and fast. Overall its great, just a couple of minor quibles

I don't like how the desktop apps icons look in the start screen (menu, metro, whatever). they look out of place.
I don't like how this start screen background looks completely out of theme to your desktop. I would prefer a transparent overlay or something more akin to Gnome 3.

Its like too drastic and stark a difference in appearance. Other than those, its pretty sweet, though i have no real use for these metro apps i'm seeing in the store so far.
This "at a glance" information is not really informative...except for weather app.