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lifeblood

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Hell, might as well go back to Dos 6.2. What made Windows successful was point, click and windows of course. Not alt+f4 or any other keyboard shortcut to get shit done.
Get used to it as MS appears to be heading back to the command line accross the board. In the most recent version of Exchange you have to go to the command line and run a special utility to do what you used to be able to do in the GUI.
 

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IMO you're going to want to get win8 on new hardware, especially those touch convertible types
 

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The fact there is this renewed reliance on keyboard shortcuts in an OS aimed at a touchscreen interface absolutely baffles me.

They keyboard combinations have always been quicker than mouse navigation if you know what they are.

It's easier to give someone the keyboard shortcut than to describe how to get there with a mouse. This is going to be a problem for MS for people who aren't using the OS on touch-enabled hardware.

The UI makes much more sense on touchable hardware.

Win + I = settings vs Dragging the mouse cursor from the top right corner down and clicking "settings"

The UI behavior doesn't take long to learn.. but there is some learning and unlearning involved.
 

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I've been using the Release Preview all day and understand what MS is doing with Windows 8. Its not about the OS, its not about the user (business or otherwise), its about the apps and developers. MS is pushing out the tablet OS on everything and its going to force developers to make apps for it by taking away all choice to do otherwise.

If they bring out a Tablet version running Metro and a desktop version running explorer. people will write apps for Metro especially if the APLs and so forth are the same on both. But that's not enough. If the developer response to the Metro version is even slightly tepid, Win 8 tablets runs a serious risk of failing. The iPad and Android tablets are a serious risk and MS must go into tablets BIG if it wants to succeed. It needs developers to flock to the platform. Everything MS has done in Win8 is to force developers to write Metro apps. Its going so far as to remove Aero in order to improve battery life, but also remove the "shine" (literally) from Explorer so people are more open to Metro. The more people who accept Metro, the more the developers will want to make apps for it as that's where the money is.

I really think Win 9 will have separate tablet and desktop versions. By then MS will be firmly established in the tablet market, or abandoned it in failure. Win 8 is the riskiest version of Windows its ever made. If they succeed, they get a firm hold in the tablet market while retaining the desktop market. But if they fail, people hate Windows 8 and don't buy the tablets and Linux/Apple take huge chunks of the desktop market away from Microsoft. And believe me, Apple and Linux will accept those disgruntled windows desktop users with open arms.
 

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I've been using the Release Preview all day and understand what MS is doing with Windows 8. Its not about the OS, its not about the user (business or otherwise), its about the apps and developers. MS is pushing out the tablet OS on everything and its going to force developers to make apps for it by taking away all choice to do otherwise.

If they bring out a Tablet version running Metro and a desktop version running explorer. people will write apps for Metro especially if the APLs and so forth are the same on both. But that's not enough. If the developer response to the Metro version is even slightly tepid, Win 8 tablets runs a serious risk of failing. The iPad and Android tablets are a serious risk and MS must go into tablets BIG if it wants to succeed. It needs developers to flock to the platform. Everything MS has done in Win8 is to force developers to write Metro apps. Its going so far as to remove Aero in order to improve battery life, but also remove the "shine" (literally) from Explorer so people are more open to Metro. The more people who accept Metro, the more the developers will want to make apps for it as that's where the money is.

I really think Win 9 will have separate tablet and desktop versions. By then MS will be firmly established in the tablet market, or abandoned it in failure. Win 8 is the riskiest version of Windows its ever made. If they succeed, they get a firm hold in the tablet market while retaining the desktop market. But if they fail, people hate Windows 8 and don't buy the tablets and Linux/Apple take huge chunks of the desktop market away from Microsoft. And believe me, Apple and Linux will accept those disgruntled windows desktop users with open arms.

well said!
 
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They keyboard combinations have always been quicker than mouse navigation if you know what they are.

It's easier to give someone the keyboard shortcut than to describe how to get there with a mouse. This is going to be a problem for MS for people who aren't using the OS on touch-enabled hardware.

The UI makes much more sense on touchable hardware.

Win + I = settings vs Dragging the mouse cursor from the top right corner down and clicking "settings"

The UI behavior doesn't take long to learn.. but there is some learning and unlearning involved.

My point is a touchscreen interface should not have to bring up the OSK for navigation/execution. Which runs parallel to a GUI not having to rely on a keyboard for navigation/execution. For almost 20 years now all you needed to know to use a computer was to point and click/tap on an icon. Simple but effective. Changing that, especially when it doesn't result in any more capability, is a monumental step backwards.
 

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Andrmgic

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My point is a touchscreen interface should not have to bring up the OSK for navigation/execution. Which runs parallel to a GUI not having to rely on a keyboard for navigation/execution. For almost 20 years now all you needed to know to use a computer was to point and click/tap on an icon. Simple but effective. Changing that, especially when it doesn't result in any more capability, is a monumental step backwards.

You don't have to use a keyboard at all.. unless you're typing something. It just works better than a mouse for some things.

I love the interface on a touch-enabled device.. but I don't have one aside from my ipad.

For a touch screen device, you swipe in from the side .. there isn't a good way to simulate that with a mouse.

I was referring to a hardware keyboard.. as I am using this on a desktop. I've never used the OSK and have not encountered a situation where it would be necessary to use the OSK instead of a touch-based gesture to accomplish something.

This interface is designed first and foremost for touch screens... The experience will be far better for someone that buys a touch-enabled machine that ships with windows 8 than it will be for someone that installs it on their existing desktop.
 

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http://www.techspot.com/news/48847-...elease-preview-heres-how-to-re-enable-it.html

Media Center yanked from Windows 8 Release Preview, here's how to re-enable it
By Jose Vilches
On June 1, 2012, 12:30 PM EST

Microsoft has already said that Windows Media Center will be available to Windows 8 users as a separate, paid for add-on, rather than being integrated into the OS as was the case with the last two releases of Windows. Although it was still present in the Consumer Preview, if you’ve already installed the new Release Preview build you may have noticed that the media center software is nowhere to be found.

Fortunately, there is a way to enable Media Center in Windows 8 Release Preview for free so users can continue testing it in the interim. Also, if you want to play DVDs on Windows 8, Media Center or a third-party app are required, as Microsoft decided not to include DVD and Blu-ray playback by default anymore.

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Here are the instructions as detailed on a Microsoft Windows 8 Release Preview FAQ:

  1. Swipe in from the right edge of the screen, and then tap Search.
  2. (If you're using a mouse, point to the upper-right corner of the screen, and then click Search.)
  3. Enter add features in the search box, and then tap or click Add features to Windows 8.
  4. Tap or click I already have a product key.
  5. Enter this product key: MBFBV-W3DP2-2MVKN-PJCQD-KKTF7 and then click Next.
  6. Select the checkbox to accept the license terms and then click Add features.
  7. Your PC will restart and the Windows Media Center tile will be pinned to the Start screen.

This is the same procedure users will need to follow when adding Media Center to the final version of Windows 8 — save for the fact that you’ll need to pay for the license key. Microsoft hasn’t revealed exactly how much the upgrade will cost yet, besides saying that "it will be in line with marginal costs".
 

Ichinisan

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after using RP for a bit, it's definitely an improvement but there's so many little annoying things that I'm glad they still have 4 months to work on it.

Music app is nice, same with video and photo they just seem a bit...bare
Microsoft keep aiming for average users, we are POWER users!!! I'm just hoping spotify/Winamp release a good metro app.

Desktop looks nicer imo. no need to enable classic mode anymore (I know more changes are coming)


Essentially I'm just pinning programs to the taskbar in desktop if I want the win7 experience. I right-clicked on the bottom left hand corner and it gave me all these options which I thought was a nice touch! too bad I discovered it by accident!! I don't like however how right click feels a bit useless in metro mode, to me right click is where windows comes alive. There are still too many left clicks for my liking in Metro mode. I'd definitely like a big fat X to close a program and tab button feels hmm...it's like they haven't translated win 7 shortcuts properly over to metro.

It feels like Microsoft has the right idea but they keep missing the mark.

Also, I bought my netbook last year and I can't change the brightness since I have intel gma 3150.

shame they couldn't add proper support for such a thing. AMD notebook changes brightness just fine.


simply put if my next pc comes with win8, I'm just going to live in desktop unless the kinks in Metro get worked out.
You mean Windows 8 has brightness adjustments? Most laptops have dedicated Fn key shortcuts for low-level brightness control, and the OS is not aware of the brightness level at all (though a third-party utility might be). I guess this changes with Win8. Makes sense because tablets will be sold with Win8.

Still, I wouldn't expect Win8 to adjust the brightness on my LCD monitors. Is there even a standard / protocol for this?
 

Ichinisan

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It's difficult when you don't know how to do something.

When you learn, it is no more difficult than any other version of windows.

Shutdown/Restart - Win + I - Click power - Shutdown or Restart - one extra step.. not a deal breaker, imo.

win + q = show all programs, activate search for applications

Metro apps are not intended to have to be closed, but you can close them by clicking and dragging from the top of the application window down to the bottom of the screen and letting go.

You folks may as well start learning the UI.. it's not going away.

You can both close applications and shutdown/reset by simply pressing alf+f4. The same as in win7.

Wonderful. I am too from time where keyboard was primary input device, and can get around as you describef. But most people are not. Most people if they can't click it, they don't know where it is. Shall my disabled dad do alt+f4 too? He can use mouse just fine, but keyboard is no-go.

So let me guess, what used to be easy to understand clickable mouse icons are now replaced by keyboard combinations? Yeah, that's progress I can believe in... real clean allright. Thanks, but no thanks.

Next thing you know, we will be "progressing" to command-prompt. Clean, elegant, minimalistic as hell, and it is real fast.

(No offense to command-prompt, we all love it occasionally)


Hell, might as well go back to Dos 6.2. What made Windows successful was point, click and windows of course. Not alt+f4 or any other keyboard shortcut to get shit done.

The fact there is this renewed reliance on keyboard shortcuts in an OS aimed at a touchscreen interface absolutely baffles me.

What are you all talking about? You can shut down with the mouse. Go to the upper-right, click "Settings," Click the power symbol, click "Shut Down," (or "Restart," or "Sleep," or whatever...).

Not intuitive, but it's there. I think it needs to be moved-out from settings and appear simply by moving the mouse to the upper-right. How is power/restart/sleep/hibernate/etc a "setting?"
 

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I need to click on Settings to do shut down? What kind of "setting" is shutting down the computer???
 

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My Wireless PCI card doesn't work very well. Can't get above about 100kb/s for the internet.

It is six years old though :whiste:
 

Ichinisan

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I need to click on Settings to do shut down? What kind of "setting" is shutting down the computer???

Yup. Like I said: It's not very intuitive.

Maybe it has changed w/ Release Preview. I'm still using Customer Preview on my HTPC.
 

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1. Degraded shell and user interface features:

● Start Menu has been removed. Here's how the Start Menu was superior to the Start Screen:
- No full-screen requirement, it doesn't disturb your workflow and gets out of the way quickly
- Had quick access to shutdown commands
- Special folders 1 click away and expandable
- Expandable Recent documents
- Start Menu jump lists for pinning documents associated with that program
- Frequently used programs list
- Neatly organized All Programs list by folders
- Does not cover the Taskbar and the notification area
- Search results are in a single unified list of Programs, Files and Settings for easy up/down keyboard navigation but still neatly categorized
- Context menu options of our choice not present in Start screen. Whatever limited context menu actions Start Screen has are at the bottom of the screen which means more movement between the tile and the bottom actions
- No context menu options available at all for settings and files on the Start screen
- Launch multiple apps quickly by holding down Shift (Classic Start Menu in Windows XP and Vista had this ability)
- Less items fit on the screen at a time due to the large size which means more scrolling unnecessarily for keyboard and mouse users
- The hot corner has poor discoverability​

● The menu bar and contextual command bar (toolbar) in Windows Explorer have been removed and replaced by the Ribbon. Here's how the Ribbon is far more inferior:
- Wastes vertical screen estate due to increased height
- Wastes horizontal screen estate by leaving empty space to the right of the commands on each Ribbon tab
- The earlier 'Command bar' (toolbar) of Explorer was contextual, it wasn't static, so all the commands were on a single row, yet had 1-click access, now the commands are at least 1 more click away, hidden in Ribbon tabs and more than 1-click away if you can't remember which Ribbon tab
- The File menu also showed context menu (right click) commands of shell extensions but the File button or the Ribbon tabs do not show these
- The Quick Access Toolbar's usability is poor because it uses 16 x 16 sized icons! (So much for a touch-friendly OS).
- The Ribbon requires a click to activate each tab unlike a menu which activates by 1 click and then you can move through all menus by hover. Thus, the mouse usability of the Ribbon is slower.
- Keyboard usability of the Ribbon is poor because in a menu, the first letter of any menu command or Alt+keyboard combination key is underlined and placed sequentially making it easier to read. On the Ribbon, the keyboard shortcuts aren't shown in a sequential row making them harder to read​

● The file copy conflict dialog removes direct access to important file details like size and date which are necessary for the user to make a decision about whether to overwrite or skip. They are now hidden behind 1 additional click or keystroke. Even more additional clicks or keystrokes are required than Windows 7/Vista for UAC protected locations when copying multiple files. The “Snap To” mouse feature is also broken for the new copy dialog.​

● File operations like Rename, Delete can no longer be undone for UAC-protected locations​

● File search for items in indexed locations is broken in the Start screen. I get many file results for search terms I type in Explorer that I do not get on the Start screen. I also used to get these results in the Start menu. It looks like the Start screen file search only looks in Libraries.​

● Application installers or apps themselves can no longer programmatically configure, change or query file associations or set themselves during installation as the default for a file type or protocol! File type associations have to be and can only be configured manually by the user from Default Programs Control Panel! The Windows 7 Open With dialog already respected user choice. If a program was associated with a file type from the Open With dialog’s 'Always use the selected program to open this kind of file' option, there was no issue of programs taking over the user's file associations,​


● Many commands are missing on the Ribbon which were there on Explorer command bar like Compatibility Files, View Remote Printers etc and others for special folders and namespace extensions. They just forgot to add these to these commands!​

● The ability to boot directly to the desktop and not load the Metro components in memory is not there. Items in various startup locations (Registry, startup folder etc) are all loaded with a delay of few seconds with no way to load them instantly.​

● The Lock screen is the place where you can now display custom background instead of the Logon screen, but unlike the Logon screen, there seems to be no way to programmatically change or cycle through a group of images for the Lock screen background. It must be set manually by the user from PC settings on the Start screen.​

● The "Unblock" button previously available on the file properties dialog for unblocking downloaded files (removing the NTFS Alternate Data Stream from the downloaded file) has been removed.​

● Explorer copy engine issue: Folder conflict prompt when merging/overwriting folders is removed. Explorer silently merges subfolders in a copy operation, you get prompted for the individual files in a subfolder, but you cannot choose entire subfolders to skip or overwrite​


● Explorer status bar removes the ability to show important details. It is now a private undocumented control (DirectUI) so it also doesn't allow Explorer addons like Classic Shell to show information like free disk space, total size of items without selection, computer zone, infotip information as it could on a standard status bar control.​


● Explorer: Ability to enable both Details pane and Preview pane simultaneously in Explorer for display of file metadata as well as preview, or, Details pane to be always shown and only the Preview pane toggled is gone.​

● Flip 3D (Win+Tab) is gone. Win+Tab includes a Metro-style switcher that is just like Alt+Tab, only places the thumbnails vertically. Also, it does not work when only desktop apps are running.​

● The AutoPlay dialog is now a toast notification instead of a proper window and so it does not stay open for more than a few seconds. After inserting the removable flash drive, if you do not take action within those few seconds, the dialog closes! This is good example of total user interface disaster.​

● The AutoPlay dialog removes the option to always open a particular program based on the file type.​


● The Open With dialog breaks the NoInternetOpenWith and NoFileAssociate Group Policies and browsing for a program with the redesigned Open With dialog requires three clicks instead of just one.​

● The "Compatibility" tab for an application's properties no longer includes 'Windows 2000' and 'Windows NT 4.0' modes. You will be forced to use Application Compatibility Toolkit to set these OS modes.


2. Removed appearance and personalization features:

● Aero Glass transparency is gone and the rich, glossy Aero look has been replaced with a flattened and ugly look.​

● Advanced Appearance settings which let you adjust colors, sizes and fonts are removed. Although Windows themes and UI elements based on visual styles such as the Aero-based themes ignored some of these settings, some aspects of the visual style-based themes were still customizable with this dialog.


● The Windows Basic and Classic themes have been removed. These were the only themes that fully respected the system colors and window metrics (which have also been removed as stated above). All themes are now based on Visual Styles.​

● Due to inability of Desktop Window Manager to be turned off, desktop themes that worked only with the legacy window manager (compositing=off) cannot be used.​
● Sound events for 'Exit Windows', 'Windows Logon' and 'Windows Logoff' are removed
● Mouse control panel option to allow or disallow themes to change mouse pointers is removed from the GUI.
3. Dumbed down/removed Control Panel settings:
● Running Internet Explorer purely in 64-bit mode is not possible unless Enhanced Protected Mode is enabled which disables all addons. Otherwise, 64-bit IE10 opens 32-bit tabs.

● Search option to use natural language search has been removed from Folder Options.

● Windows Update settings for showing notifications and allowing all users to install updates have been removed. Windows Update no longer notifies with a balloon notification that there are new updates available.

● The ''Snap To'' mouse pointer option to move the pointer automatically to the ''default button'' in a dialog is broken on many re-designed system and application dialog boxes and windows in Windows 8 (e.g. the new file copy conflict dialog). The mouse pointer does not move or ''snap to'' the default button in several dialogs which are re-designed.

4. Dumbed down system behavior and administrative tools:
● In a dual boot scenario, the ability to directly boot into another OS besides Windows 8 is slowed down because the new Windows 8 boot shell/loader reboots to load the other operating system

● Chkdsk when run at startup hides any information about file system repairs besides % complete. This screen with scanning and correction details is gone when Chkdsk runs at startup and replaced by just a “Scanning and repairing errors” message with % complete indicator.
● Device Manager no longer shows Non-Plug and Play Drivers or hidden devices. The "Devmgr_Show_NonPresent_Devices=1' environment variable has no effect.

● Security Essentials settings for configuring default actions or real-time protection have been removed. (Security Essentials is now built-in as Windows Defender)

● WinHelp has been completely discontinued. No download will be available.

● MSConfig's Startup tab has been killed and replaced by the Task Manager's Startup tab that doesn't have the 'Location' column which was useful for example to know if the process started from HKCU or HKLM.


● The new Task Manager is missing far too many features of the old one.​

● The command line tools, DiskPart.exe, DiskRAID.exe, and the Disk Management GUI are being deprecated and replaced by the WMIv2-based Windows Storage Management API with the Storage PowerShell command line utility. Dynamic Disks are being deprecated as part of this transition.​

● Subsystem for UNIX-based applications is deprecated and will be gone in the version of Windows following Windows 8​

● Some Transactional NTFS (TxF) APIs like savepoints, secondary RM, miniversion and roll forward are deprecated​

● WMIC.exe is deprecated (replaced by PowerShell cmdlets)​
5. Removed and degraded Windows features and components:

● Previous Versions for Shadow Copies is removed. The half-baked replacement is the File History feature which is only for certain file types (documents, music, videos and pictures) in Libraries, desktop and browser favorites. Previous Versions worked for any generic file type in any folder. File History does not even support EFS-encrypted files! File History is supposed to replace both "Previous Versions for Shadow Copies" as well as "Windows Backup and Restore" and it doesn't do 100% of either of the features it replaces! Typical Microsoft style "improvement".
● Pen, Ink and Touch Input Desktop features, including the The Tablet Input Panel (TIP) are no longer included. Some buttons ('num', 'sym' and 'web) are removed from the Handwriting input panel and UI changes to it require more clicks for example to switch from handwriting to keyboard, or access the editing commands (join, split, delete). It is now touch-friendly but no longer stylus-friendly. Desktop tablet features are replaced by a dumbed down touch keyboard.
● Desktop games (no word on whether they will be included or dropped in favor of Metro-style games):
• Chess Titans
• FreeCell
• Hearts
• Solitaire
• Spider Solitaire
• Minesweeper
• Mahjong Titans
• Purble Place​

● Windows Gadget Platform is intact but no gadgets to download as the online Gadget Gallery was killed for Windows Vista and Windows 7 users as well.​


● Windows Backup and Restore is deprecated. Although the feature is still intact, shell integration of Backup features is removed. It will be completely removed in the version of Windows following Windows 8.​


● Media Center is being supported "for another product lifecycle", meaning it will be dropped in the version of Windows following Windows 8.​


● Windows Live Essentials desktop apps are being replaced by "simplified" Metro style apps.​

● Windows DVD Maker is removed​

● Windows Briefcase creation ability is gone from ‘New’ menu (Shell templates)​

● The dumbing down that comes with Internet Explorer 9 and later versions: no dedicated search box with proper search provider functionality, no page title, no progress bar, no privacy/cookie blocked icon, no indicator of Protected Mode and security zone, no status of page rendering errors, no free moving of toolbars, no completed MB for downloads (only %).​

● The ARM edition, called Windows RT, will lack the ability to run third party desktop apps and Windows Media Player and all the additional features in Windows 8 Pro.​
● Windows CardSpace is not installed even after installing .NET 3.0/3.5
● People Near Me P2P API is removed

6. Removed and dumbed down networking features and options:

● Network Map feature and some network profile management UI (setting a network as Private, Public, customizing the network name and icon etc) from Network and Sharing Center is missing
● The 'Set Up a Connection or Network' wizard removes the options to create a wireless ad hoc connection or a Bluetooth PAN network.​

● Redialing options (redial attempts, time between attempts, idle threshold) for VPN, PPPoE, DSL and dial-up connections are removed. For PPPoE connections, the option to display progress while connecting and whether to include Windows logon domain are also removed.​

● View Available Networks (VAN) UI has been crippled with access to the most important dialog: the Network's Status removed. The VAN UI now covers the notification area icons unnecessarily and the Metro look is out of place on the Aero desktop​

● At least for my Wireless NIC hosted/virtual Wi-Fi does not work due to lack of in-box drivers. The virtual adapter does not get automatically enabled like on Windows 7.​

● The Wi-Fi toggle tile is removed from Windows Mobility Center.​

7. Broken/non-backward compatible keyboard shortcuts:
(This is the first version of Windows to break keyboard shortcuts like this recklessly and assign new ones which take over the keyboard shortcuts of existing features)

● The keyboard shortcut for Windows Mobility Center has been removed. Previously, Win+X brought it up, now it brings up the power user context menu. There is no keyboard shortcut for Mobility Center.​

● The keyboard shortcut for Aero Peek has been removed. Previously, Win+Space did Aero Peek. Now it switches the input language. There is no keyboard shortcut now for Aero Peek.​

8. Obsolete/Legacy features:


● Protected Storage (PStore) which was the legacy read-only credential store is gone​



● Some Audio Compression Manager (ACM) components are broken resulting in Sound Recorder being unable to do format conversion.​


Win8 gonna be very shortlived. Just like Ballmers job.

MS have been dumbing down Win8 with every preview release. And its basicly close to hit the bottom.​
 

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I've been struggling with this all day. Definitely a dumbed down version for nubs. For the love of god, they even seemed to have removed msconfig :colbert:That's bad news for support people

And metro is so jarring.
 

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You mean Windows 8 has brightness adjustments? Most laptops have dedicated Fn key shortcuts for low-level brightness control, and the OS is not aware of the brightness level at all (though a third-party utility might be). I guess this changes with Win8. Makes sense because tablets will be sold with Win8.

Still, I wouldn't expect Win8 to adjust the brightness on my LCD monitors. Is there even a standard / protocol for this?

Windows 7 had brightness adjustment for laptops, it was part of Windows Mobility Center.
 

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I've been struggling with this all day. Definitely a dumbed down version for nubs. For the love of god, they even seemed to have removed msconfig :colbert:That's bad news for support people

And metro is so jarring.

:|

Metro -> search -> -type- "msconfig"

Desktop -> click right mouse bottom on the left corner of the screen -> run -> -type- "msconfig"

And metro is great.
 

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Metro -> search -> -type- "msconfig"

Desktop -> click right mouse bottom on the left corner of the screen -> run -> -type- "msconfig"

And metro is great.

Weird. The first one doesn't work.

Second one works though. Thanks.
 

Kristijonas

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Maybe you hadn't written the whole word "msconfig" ? It doesn't appear if you only write from "m" to "msconfi"
 

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I've been using the Release Preview all day and understand what MS is doing with Windows 8. Its not about the OS, its not about the user (business or otherwise), its about the apps and developers. MS is pushing out the tablet OS on everything and its going to force developers to make apps for it by taking away all choice to do otherwise.

If they bring out a Tablet version running Metro and a desktop version running explorer. people will write apps for Metro especially if the APLs and so forth are the same on both. But that's not enough. If the developer response to the Metro version is even slightly tepid, Win 8 tablets runs a serious risk of failing. The iPad and Android tablets are a serious risk and MS must go into tablets BIG if it wants to succeed. It needs developers to flock to the platform. Everything MS has done in Win8 is to force developers to write Metro apps. Its going so far as to remove Aero in order to improve battery life, but also remove the "shine" (literally) from Explorer so people are more open to Metro. The more people who accept Metro, the more the developers will want to make apps for it as that's where the money is.

I really think Win 9 will have separate tablet and desktop versions. By then MS will be firmly established in the tablet market, or abandoned it in failure. Win 8 is the riskiest version of Windows its ever made. If they succeed, they get a firm hold in the tablet market while retaining the desktop market. But if they fail, people hate Windows 8 and don't buy the tablets and Linux/Apple take huge chunks of the desktop market away from Microsoft. And believe me, Apple and Linux will accept those disgruntled windows desktop users with open arms.

Thanks for writing my technology thesis for me. Ripped.
 

StinkyPinky

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Maybe you hadn't written the whole word "msconfig" ? It doesn't appear if you only write from "m" to "msconfi"

Yeah that's it. I thought it would work like the Windows 7 "run" search does (updates as you type), but it seems you need to type in the name of the whole app. Not a big deal.

Actually knowing I can right click on the bottom left of the desktop makes a big difference. 90% of the stuff I need to troubleshoot is in that menu. :thumbsup: