@ 300 Iraqi dead after fierce battle just east of Najaf, Iraqi attackers took SIGNIFICANT damage in their attempts.
MoobyTheGoldenCalf
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Sounds like the iraqis got US uniforms by stealing some of the 3rd infantrys laundry...
http://www.msnbc.com/news/890988.asp
http://www.msnbc.com/news/890988.asp
SP33Demon
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"Intelligence officers with the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force said units of Saddam's best trained and most loyal troops were heading south from Baghdad on a route that avoids advancing U.S. Army forces and leads them directly toward the Marines, who are worn from intense fighting around Nasiriyah. "
The 1000 tanks are avoiding our "WALL OF STEEL". Gee, wonder why??
Link to FoxNews article
The 1000 tanks are avoiding our "WALL OF STEEL". Gee, wonder why??
Link to FoxNews article
Doesn't really matter. The more time they're on the road, the more time they'll be attacked from the air. They can run from our "wall of steel", but they can't hide from our "aluminum overcast"...
To quote Sun Tzu's Art of War:
When weary, appear rested and alert, when alert, appear weary and battle fatigued. When resting, appear active, when active, appear resting.
just because a russian company or individual sells military equipment to the iraqis, doesnt imply that the russian government is aiding them, as previous posts seem to imply.
weren't two u.s. companies fined around $30 million for selling missile technology to china? that doesnt mean that the u.s. government was involved, it was just the backdoor dealings by these two companies.
weren't two u.s. companies fined around $30 million for selling missile technology to china? that doesnt mean that the u.s. government was involved, it was just the backdoor dealings by these two companies.
everyone understands how third and fourth parites help cloud the trail, the final destination is almost always known though. The governments of the countries have a responsibility to ensure arms manufacturers in their country respect the laws, don't think they don't keep a very close eye on who they deal with...
HeroOfPellinor
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Educate yourself before you speak. Of course, it isn't the Russian government doing this. HOWEVER, we've known about this for years and asked the Russian government to stop the individuals doing this. The fact that they haven't essentially makes them complicit. Notice the US fined the companies dealing with China. Thx bye.
Street market hit in Bagdad. US websites downplaying it. Get from BBC (videos incl.)
BBC article
People are going to get really mad. Even more dangerous for those going in.
BBC article
People are going to get really mad. Even more dangerous for those going in.
what i'm saying is that i can understand if they are doing nothing about equipment like tanks or planes, but stuff like technology sharing, probably stored on cd's or plain paper is very hard for governments to track. if you see the size of these gps jammers, they are about the size of a big walkie talkie.
i think sharing sensitive missile technology with china is much more serious than a paltry $30 million fine, isnt that almost a traitorous offense?
colonel
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they get everything from the Black Market anyway, Russia, China helped the Vietcong during the Vietnam war so I dont undestand what the big deal here USA know that for years, we did it too for the Contras in Nicaragua, Afganistan when the Russian invaded in the 80's
MoobyTheGoldenCalf
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How many tomahawks have been launched at Baghdad now? 500? 600? One miss out of that many doesn't sound that bad to me. I think the regular iraqis citizens realise we are not going for them. We probably could have wiped out half the population of baghdad by now if we wanted to. One miss in a street market does not equal an attack on the iraqi civilian population. Even they should realize that.
And I wonder how much coverage the Arab world is getting of the Iraqis indiscriminately launching missles at Kuwait City?
CaptnKirk
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The 'Aledged' "Missle Technology" that was sold by McDonnell-Douglas/Boeing was surplus NCR machining equipment that had been approved by the U.S.
When representatives of the company went to oversee the installation, they found it was being set up in a location other that which had been authorized.
It was reported to the Government Authorities (ours), and the equipment was moved to where it should have been. After initial set-up and check-out, it was
subsequently disassembled and moved back to the un-authorized location.
The 'Authorized' location was an assembly line for a DC-9 class comercial airliner to be built under liscense.(Never happened)
The 'Un-authorized' location was a missle factory, I believe was where the SilkWorm is made.
Deal with a snake, expect to get bit. I have never understood why we sell ANY of our weapons technology to any country - ever !
As for where the complications for our war effort are coming from: SAND ! Helicopter and A-10 engines don't like to eat dirt.
We can't send out cover if the cover can't see or fly in it. Ground equipment is taking a beating from the sand also.
The Sandstorm is a bigger threat then the Iraqi Army - but they live there and know what to expect and what to do in it.
This looks like the biggest Sandstorm they've seen in the area in the last 30+ years, maybe debris in the air from the bombing is aggravating the storm conditions.
When representatives of the company went to oversee the installation, they found it was being set up in a location other that which had been authorized.
It was reported to the Government Authorities (ours), and the equipment was moved to where it should have been. After initial set-up and check-out, it was
subsequently disassembled and moved back to the un-authorized location.
The 'Authorized' location was an assembly line for a DC-9 class comercial airliner to be built under liscense.(Never happened)
The 'Un-authorized' location was a missle factory, I believe was where the SilkWorm is made.
Deal with a snake, expect to get bit. I have never understood why we sell ANY of our weapons technology to any country - ever !
As for where the complications for our war effort are coming from: SAND ! Helicopter and A-10 engines don't like to eat dirt.
We can't send out cover if the cover can't see or fly in it. Ground equipment is taking a beating from the sand also.
The Sandstorm is a bigger threat then the Iraqi Army - but they live there and know what to expect and what to do in it.
This looks like the biggest Sandstorm they've seen in the area in the last 30+ years, maybe debris in the air from the bombing is aggravating the storm conditions.
The difference here is that since 1991, there have been strict restrictions set by the UN on what is legally allowed to enter Iraq. There were no such restrictions against Vietnam.
They are talking about a different column there. This one is trying to leave Basra, while the larger one is moving from Baghdad.
HeroOfPellinor
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i agree with you there. actualy the one i was reffering to was the boeing/hughes/loral fine. they were helping china figure out why some chinese rockets blew up, and didnt get state dept. permission on the information they were giving them. these companies are all about money, they make profits, pay small fines, and china is slowly gathering up more and more info, which i assume will probably be sold to other countries eventually.
CaptnKirk
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Info From Yahoo News
That Technology for the rockets blowing up had to deal with the Commercial Satellites that had also been approved, what had not been approved was
when the Chinese applied the knowledge to their Military systems - Once again, you don't see Rattlesnakes in a petting zoo.
Interesting side note here: For the longest time Russian Subs were quite easy to track as their screws left a charactaristic acoustical signature.
Some how the company that held the secret technology of our Submarine Propellers was sold to a Japanese company ( Yamaha ?) anyway, that
company did not have a restriction on the technology, and sold it for a profit to Russia, which makes it a hell of a lot harder fro us to track them now.
Stupid isn't it.
That Technology for the rockets blowing up had to deal with the Commercial Satellites that had also been approved, what had not been approved was
when the Chinese applied the knowledge to their Military systems - Once again, you don't see Rattlesnakes in a petting zoo.
Interesting side note here: For the longest time Russian Subs were quite easy to track as their screws left a charactaristic acoustical signature.
Some how the company that held the secret technology of our Submarine Propellers was sold to a Japanese company ( Yamaha ?) anyway, that
company did not have a restriction on the technology, and sold it for a profit to Russia, which makes it a hell of a lot harder fro us to track them now.
Stupid isn't it.
Pretty much. From what it sounds like, the column was caught trying to leave Basra, but was denied by British forces who have trapped them. So they're just sitting near the city now getting bombed by our air forces.
I thought I saw them saying that Basra was only partially surrounded - due to lack of personnel/equipment - on channel 4 news. The NE of the city was pretty much completely open.
Andy
From what I'm hearing, they don't have enough troops to take over Basra but they are able to lock the enemy forces inside. It sounds like the British have artillery surrounding the city keeping the Iraqis in.
1,000 + Iraqi armored vehicles are bearing down on the 7th Cavalry. Hope the Air Force gives them at least some cover. Maybe they should drop the MOAB on the Iraqi column? muwhahahaha..............
HeroOfPellinor
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They're moving down on the Marines 1st Expeditionary from what I'm hearing. That concerns me more because I don't know if the marines are equipped for taking out 1,000 armored vehicles. I'd imagine that convoy would be a pretty easy target for out planes and helicopters.
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