OFFICIAL WAR THREAD 7th Calvary fights off Iraqi attack; Bush seeks 75 billion for war

Jani · Mar 26, 2003

Please take that PERSONAL message out of here because it was meant personal. Or could moderator do something. Thanks.

Milkman95 · Mar 26, 2003

Anything new NEWS wise?

Alistar7 · Mar 26, 2003

jani you attacked my intelligence first, agreed to not continue here in pms before so, but did anyway, then sent me another pm and turned yours off before I could respond privately. You came in here asking for a flame with your post, stop crying, and leave.

one unconfirmed report the soldiers the soldiers were executed when they attempted to surrender.

2nd marine dies from wounds during greande attack.

death toll at 12 civilians in market bombing, no word on what caused the explosion.

Alistar7 · Mar 26, 2003

also reports of an Iraqi soldier dressed in US fatigues found dead on battlefield with explosives strapped to his body.

Reports of Al-Jezeera viewing footage of 4 british pows, 2 dead

Jani · Mar 26, 2003

Quiet in the news front. Coalition is gathering troops around Baghdad. Humanitarian aid is however finally reaching Iraq. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2887929.stm

Alistar7 · Mar 26, 2003

field reports from the 3rd-7th indicates the air force is laying down ground support right now for their advace towards baghdad.

embedded reporter with them just gave a great report on cnn...

Alistar7 · Mar 26, 2003

yes the americans keep their word and a tremendous amount of humanitarium aid is one the way from the states....

Alistar7 · Mar 26, 2003

busloads of civilians have been placed alongside columns of tanks.....

explosions heard in and around Kirkuik today

MoobyTheGoldenCalf · Mar 26, 2003

Iraq may have executed some US prisoners

Some of the US army soldiers captured over the weekend near the southern town of Nasiriya may have been executed by their Iraqi captors, possibly in front of townspeople.

Footage of five prisoners and seven dead soldiers -- mechanics with the US Third Infantry Division who apparently got lost in the desert and were ambushed by Iraqi forces -- was broadcast on the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television network on Sunday.

The footage, provided by Iraqi state television, showed at least four bodies, some apparently with shots to the head.

US officials told the New York Times that the information was based on a sole communications intercept, and that they were attempting to confirm the information.

"When the full story comes out, people will be outraged," a senior US official told the Times.

Alistar7 · Mar 26, 2003

bush lands in Fla, en route to command center...

conjur · Mar 26, 2003

Originally posted by: Alistar7
busloads of civilians have been placed alongside columns of tanks.....

explosions heard in and around Kirkuik today

Saddam cares NOTHING for the Iraqi populace...only his worthless, sorry a**

Fencer128 · Mar 26, 2003

al-queda do not meet the requirements of the geneva convention, sorry, they are not part of a state sponsored military force, they do not fight in uniform.

I think the Geneva convention is more ambiguous than that:

Geneva Convention

I'm always hearing about the "spirit" of 1441 in that "serious consequences" meant "war" and required no further debate. Well, IMHO the "spirit" of the Geneva Convention applies in this case (and would probably be ammended as such if it were rewritten today). This is a new kind of warfare - but its still warfare.

To quote Article 1:

In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peace time, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.

It could well be argued that a war on terrorists has been delclared.

To quote in part Article 3:

1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

On this criteria you could argue that the prisoners in camp X-ray are covered by the Geneva Convention. I don't think that "including" means "excluding all others" in this case.

Yes - other parts of article 3 state:

A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

and so I can see a counter arguement - but to paint it black and white is IMHO deceptive at best. I can believe that if rewritten in a modern context the convention would encompass those at X-ray specifically - it was just probably not considered back in 1949.

I would be quite happy to continue this discussion in the "merits of war forum".

Cheers,

Andy

MoobyTheGoldenCalf · Mar 26, 2003

CNN Radio just reported something about an abush of US forces near the town of Ajahar (sp?) not many details....

drewshin · Mar 26, 2003

news upate: president bush now picking his nose.

wow alistar7, it'd be nice if you could combine some of those posts into one. 6 posts in 10 minutes?

MoobyTheGoldenCalf · Mar 26, 2003

Originally posted by: drewshin
news upate: president bush now picking his nose.

Link?

Marshallj · Mar 26, 2003

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Any idea on the timeline the Rep Guard convoy of 1,000+ vehicles will meet the marines?

What division will they be facing?

This is a good thing, relatively speaking of course.

When the republican guard was dug in and camoflaged it was hard to spot them and target them. But now that they're on the move in a massive convoy heading towards our troops, they are exposed. Remember the "highway of death" in the first Gulf War? That is what happens when you try to move a large column of vehicles when your enemy has control of the air. You can bet your as* that we're cluster bombing that convoy to oblivion right now. I'd be surprised if any significant number of vehicles reaches our troops.

iwearnosox · Mar 26, 2003

They're a buck of savages. Hiding behind women, children. 6000 biochem suits and mines hiding in a hospital.

Let's just make it quick and bloody, mop it up and get on with this thing called life.

Alistar7 · Mar 26, 2003

Originally posted by: drewshin
news upate: president bush now picking his nose.

wow alistar7, it'd be nice if you could combine some of those posts into one. 6 posts in 10 minutes?

sorry posting as it is released...

marines hit by snipers..1st battalion, 7th marines

Iraq shift forces to try to disrupt 300 mile long supply chain...

Alistar7 · Mar 26, 2003

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Any idea on the timeline the Rep Guard convoy of 1,000+ vehicles will meet the marines?

What division will they be facing?

Click to expand...

This is a good thing, relatively speaking of course.

When the republican guard was dug in and camoflaged it was hard to spot them and target them. But now that they're on the move in a massive convoy heading towards our troops, they are exposed. Remember the "highway of death" in the first Iraq war? That is what happens when you try to move a large columb of vehicles when your enemy has control of the air. You can bet your as* that we're cluster bombing that convoy to oblivion right now. I'd be surprised if any significant number of vehicles reaches our troops.

Welcomt to AT, great observation. This convoy has not been confirmed, but there are also reports of busload of civilians being placed in line with tank columns, if this happens in this case and they show up with equal numbers of innocent civilians what should we do?

drewshin · Mar 26, 2003

Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf

Originally posted by: drewshin
news upate: president bush now picking his nose.

Click to expand...

Link?

Bush Nose Pick

for the video:

Noise Pick Video

i'd hate to be a public figure, knowing that cameras were on me all the time

Alistar7 · Mar 26, 2003

Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf

Originally posted by: drewshin
news upate: president bush now picking his nose.

Click to expand...

Link?

this is ATOT, be carefull what you wish for...

very funny though...

Alistar7 · Mar 26, 2003

Bush addressing troops at McDill AFB hangar in @ 15 minutes...

will be live on CNN

HeroOfPellinor · Mar 26, 2003

An elite republican guard division with a convoy of 1,000 vehicles is headed towards the Marines 1st Expeditionary Force that recently struggled past Nasiriyah. Can that one Marine division handle them alone or are they sitting ducks without heavy air support? If they have air support why isn't that convoy of 1,000 now 50 already?

We were supposed to have an entire armored division converging on Baghdad from the North to keep pressure of guys in the South. Turkey wouldn't let them through and now they're gonna be tied up in canals and the Red Sea for another couple weeks. In my eyes, that's 100x worse than what France and Germany and Russia have done. Their actions have DIRECTLY put US military lives at risk and if anybody deserves a dehabilitating boycot, it's Turkey not France.

ThePresence · Mar 26, 2003

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
An elite republican guard division with a convoy of 1,000 vehicles is headed towards the Marines 1st Expeditionary Force that recently struggled past Nasiriyah. Can that one Marine division handle them alone or are they sitting ducks without heavy air support? If they have air support why isn't that convoy of 1,000 now 50 already?

We were supposed to have an entire armored division converging on Baghdad from the North to keep pressure of guys in the South. Turkey wouldn't let them through and now they're gonna be tied up in canals and the Red Sea for another couple weeks. In my eyes, that's 100x worse than what France and Germany and Russia have done. Their actions have DIRECTLY put US military lives at risk and if anybody deserves a dehabilitating boycot, it's Turkey not France.

The convoy of 1000 vehicles is probably half comprised of pickup trucks.

Alistar7 · Mar 26, 2003

they are also one of our oldest allies and allowing overflights to give us the chance to airlift troops and equipment to the north..

The weapons those countries you listed sold illegal waepons to Iraq that are more deadly to american forces than having to adjust our battle plan.

this convoy has not been confirmed has it? if it hasnt by now I would doubt its existence...

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OFFICIAL WAR THREAD 7th Calvary fights off Iraqi attack; Bush seeks 75 billion for war