**OFFICIAL WAR THREAD** 7th Calvary fights off Iraqi attack; Bush seeks 75 billion for war

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BaliBabyDoc

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I always find it curious that people question the propriety of women serving in the armed forces. I have serious issues with the Tamil Tigers using pre-pubertals as warriors . . . but adult women can certainly judge right from wrong . . . or at least what they believe to be right from wrong. A just cause and means is all you need to get down and dirty. Personally, I trust a woman to be more judicious arbiters of death anyway . . . well except for the ex-gfs . . . they can't be trusted at all . . .

To the limits of my knowledge, you have to explore sci-fi or folklore to find bands of women leaving death and destruction in their wakes . . . as for men all you need is yesterday's newspaper.
 

LandRover

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To the limits of my knowledge, you have to explore sci-fi or folklore to find bands of women leaving death and destruction in their wakes . . . as for men all you need is yesterday's newspaper.

Very well said.
 

datalink7

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To the limits of my knowledge, you have to explore sci-fi or folklore to find bands of women leaving death and destruction in their wakes . . . as for men all you need is yesterday's newspaper.

What a simplistic, and naturally, erroness view.

 

BaliBabyDoc

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Margaret Thatcher IS not a woman . . . there were definitely external gonads under that dress.

Edit for grammar . . . the Iron Wench is still alive . . .
 

Loralon

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Originally posted by: LH
We lost two trucks, a humvee and a bradley to RPGs. We lost a tank due to a collasping bridge. Three tanks and a truck got stuck in ditches two of the tanks we unstuck. We lost the two tanks by some kind of anti tank rounds mounted on the backs of pickup trucks. Mind you this was all in the middle of a small Iraqi town so it was sort of urban warfare, and it lasted for 24 hours. The number of men killed by ground forces was 150-300, but that doesnt include the number of Iraqis killed by Warthogs.

It was the first time we lost a M1A1 in combat. With that said their were no serious injuries.

What source did you get this from? There seem to be some conflicting reports. The following is a Reuter's report:

Wed March 26, 2003 01:21 AM ET
KUWAIT (Reuters) - Iraqi irregular forces firing rockets from the back of pick-up trucks have knocked out two U.S. main battle tanks, CNN television quoted U.S. officers in the field as saying on Wednesday.
A CNN correspondent with the 7th Cavalry south of Baghdad said the Iraqis were using wire-guided missiles with a range of about four miles. They put two Abrams A1-M1 tanks out of action on Tuesday, though the American crews were unharmed.

Since the crews on both tanks were uninjured, it seems as though there wasn't any catastrophic damage to either vehicle. Perhaps just enough damage to temporarily disable both tanks, but any missile that penetrates the crew compartment would certainly injure crewmembers at the very least.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Jhill
CNN just said the 2 fighter pilots that where taken as POW's 2 days ago were executed.

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KK

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Originally posted by: Jhill
CNN just said the 2 fighter pilots that where taken as POW's 2 days ago were executed.

I didn't know any fighter pilot were taken prisoners. Are these the helicopter pilots?

KK

 

Mookow

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Jhill
CNN just said the 2 fighter pilots that where taken as POW's 2 days ago were executed.

I didn't know any fighter pilot were taken prisoners. Are these the helicopter pilots?

KK

Thats what I am assuming he meant
 

Jhill

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Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Jhill
CNN just said the 2 fighter pilots that where taken as POW's 2 days ago were executed.

I didn't know any fighter pilot were taken prisoners. Are these the helicopter pilots?

KK


I had the wrong info. It was one of the original POWS.
 

Banyon

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I think they were referring to some of the original PoW's taken. That was the supply convoy who took a wrong turn, not Apache pilots. 5 were videotaped as alive, but I think they said around 7 dead were also shown, some having bullet wounds in the forehead. I believe they were trying to confirm these people did indeed die execution style.

I had not heard anything about the Apache pilots.
 

Marauder-

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That really sucks for their families. I can't even begin to imagine how they are feeling right now.

Wasn't there an analysis a few days ago about how their treatment of POWs is an indication of their desperation?
 

Jhill

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Originally posted by: Banyon
I think they were referring to some of the original PoW's taken. That was the supply convoy who took a wrong turn, not Apache pilots. 5 were videotaped as alive, but I think they said around 7 dead were also shown, some having bullet wounds in the forehead. I believe they were trying to confirm these people did indeed die execution style.

I had not heard anything about the Apache pilots.


You might be right. I thought they were refering to the Apache pilots. I hope I was wrong and you are right.
 

KK

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Well, lets hope it's not true. CNN just said that they tried two rescue attempts on the two pilots when they went down. But they didn't say anything about them being executed.

KK
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Another reason why coverage of this war sux . . . the networks supply poor information which quickly becomes misinformation. I was watching Aaron Brown when he talked about this issue. He was referring to an article to be published in the WED NYTimes. The article was based on a Pentagon official who was relaying information from a SINGLE source (possibly an intercept).

The issue was about the possibility that two or more of the POWs who were dead . . . MIGHT have been executed and the execution MIGHT have been in the presence of locals. Brown and Clark then proceeded to discuss the possible ramifications IF the report was true.

 

LH

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EAST BANK OF THE EUPHRATES RIVER, Iraq ? Capt. Clay Lyle's voice on the radio gave no hint of the violence that was about to erupt.

"We're in contact," Lyle said calmly.

His words marked the first moments of a 24-hour running battle that pitted the 3rd Squadron, 7th Cavalry Regiment, 3rd Infantry Division against Iraqi troops as the squadron pushed north toward Baghdad along the Euphrates River.

By the time the fighting ended, Lyle's regiment had lost three Abrams tanks, a Bradley fighting vehicle and several trucks ? but no U.S. soldiers were seriously injured. Two of the tanks were knocked out by Iraqi shelling, the first Abrams ever lost to enemy fire.

The fighting began at 8:30 p.m. Monday local time (12:30 p.m. ET Monday) when about 200 Iraqi troops ambushed the 500-vehicle convoy at night along the western bank of the Euphrates.

Red tracers arched back and forth as the Iraqis, dug in 100 yards back on each side of the road, traded fire with the U.S. troops. The U.S. forces poured high-explosive shells into the Iraqi positions, and the Iraqis responded with mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, hitting two U.S. trucks and a Humvee.

The encounter ended soon after squadron commander Lt. Col. Terry Ferrell ordered his soldiers to fire howitzers at the Iraqis. The radio crackled with taut voices barking grid references, then six orange fireballs blossomed over the Iraqi positions. A pair of A-10 Warthog jets delivered the final blow, dropping bombs, then strafing the enemy position.

That was just the start.

Just before midnight local time (about 4 p.m. ET) in the streets on the edge of Al Faysaliyah, just west of the Euphrates, the Iraqis attacked again.

Dozens of Iraqi militiamen hit the convoy with rocket-propelled grenades and machine guns. The convoy dispersed up side streets, but the leading elements headed for a bridge that seemed to offer an avenue of escape.

The bridge held up under the first five vehicles but buckled under the 70-ton weight of an Abrams tank, plunging the tank into a gulch. The crew escaped uninjured, but Ferrell had no choice but to turn all 500 vehicles in the convoy around to find another route.

In the darkness and confusion, with Iraqis continuing to fire on the convoy, two more tanks and a fuel truck rolled into ditches. Of the three tanks that had fallen into ditches, Ferrell managed to put two back on the road, but he had to abandon the other tank and the fuel truck. The squadron then retraced its way through the town, knocking out Iraqis, some firing rocket-propelled grenades.

Once out of town, the convoy continued pushing north toward Baghdad. A few hours later, as dawn approached, U.S. soldiers spotted Iraqis armed with mortars and rocket-propelled grenades about 1,000 yards from the road on each side.

The fight was on again.

With his convoy strung out for many miles behind him and his troops weary from almost 10 continuous hours of combat, Ferrell called in airstrikes. Within minutes, two more A-10s dropped eight 500-pound bombs and raked the Iraqi positions with cannon fire, setting two tree lines ablaze.

"It looks like 'Apocalypse Now,'" Air Force Tech. Sgt. Michael Keehan, Ferrell's senior enlisted tactical air controller, said with a look of pride.

The troops watching the burning tree lines could now see buildings among the trees. A man came running from one house, waving a white cloth and screaming that his family had been hurt.

He was told to bring his family to the road, where a medical team patched up a 4-year-old boy, a pregnant woman and two men, one in his late teens, the other in his 30s. All had shrapnel in their legs.

Maj. Todd Albright, a doctor, predicted a full recovery for all the victims except one man who would probably lose a foot. The family was driven away in an Iraqi ambulance.

Ferrell gave his troops two hours to catch their breath. He estimated his squadron had killed 150 Iraqi militia troops ? not including those killed by the A-10s ? with no casualties among his own soldiers.

The three Bradleys and two tanks that had made it across the bridge before it collapsed rejoined the squadron and the convoy continued its drive north, crossing the Euphrates and working its way up the eastern bank. A sickly yellow-gray fog filled with fine grit settled over a landscape of marshes and bogs and empty factories.

Iraqi forces appeared from around almost every corner, turning the morning and afternoon into a running firefight. At one point, the squadron commander's driver, Pfc. Randall Duke Newcomb, had to steer his Humvee with one hand and his knees while firing out the window.

The squadron captured three enemy soldiers before the Iraqis, perhaps using an anti-tank gun mounted on a truck, blasted the rear of two Abrams tanks, setting them ablaze. One driver was trapped inside his tank for several minutes before crawling to safety.

In the 1991 Persian Gulf War, nine Abrams tanks were damaged by mines but were repaired. No U.S. soldier has ever died in an Abrams.

As they settled in for the night, squadron members knew they had been lucky. But Baghdad was still 80 miles ahead, and the best of Saddam Hussein's troops were in the way.

Thats the best info out there it came from USAToday. Just because it doesnt penetrate the crew compartment doesnt mean it didnt destroy the tank. We lost the two tanks in combat from what now is sad to be missles that Iraq likely got from Russia. Military sources they werent TOW missles but were very similar. It appears it might be those anti-tank missles the US has claimed Russia sold Iraq.
 

Tominator

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Just because it doesnt penetrate the crew compartment doesnt mean it didnt destroy the tank.

There are many ways to disable a tank, but usually they are repaired rather quickly and returned to service. Even a direct hit from a high velocity shell that penetrates the crew compartment is not fatal for the tank. They are equipped with blow off doors to relieve the pressure and the ammo is isolated. These thing are tough!
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Originally posted by: NewSc2
Responding to the title of the thread - it's Cavalry, not Calvary
Isn't that a Chevrolet?

That would be Cavalier, somewhat related to Cavalry(I believe it's eiither the French version of Cavalry or the dude riding the horse, my money's on the dude).