Originally posted by: LukFilm
Don't worry. I already called and talked to both teams, and they agreed to play 1-1, so Netherlands (not Holland) will advance
Thank you. Can you do me one more favor? Can you call Advocaat and tell him to go fvck himself plz?
I would highly appreciate that.
Originally posted by: welst10
Originally posted by: LukFilm
Don't worry. I already called and talked to both teams, and they agreed to play 1-1, so Netherlands (not Holland) will advance
Isnt netherlands=holland?
Holland = a province in Netherlands, iirc.
I like to call them "Holland" only because "the Netherlands" sounds too long.
Originally posted by: jim1976
Originally posted by: LukFilm
Don't worry. I already called and talked to both teams, and they agreed to play 1-1, so Netherlands (not Holland) will advance
Thank you. Can you do me one more favor? Can you call Advocaat and tell him to go fvck himself plz?
I would highly appreciate that.
Done. Though he said that he prefers a hooker over his right hand, but for his major screw-up he'll submit to your request.
Originally posted by: joohang
Originally posted by: welst10
Originally posted by: LukFilm
Don't worry. I already called and talked to both teams, and they agreed to play 1-1, so Netherlands (not Holland) will advance
Isnt netherlands=holland?
Holland = a province in Netherlands, iirc.
I like to call them "Holland" only because "the Netherlands" sounds too long.
Correct. Not sure why BBC has an abbreviation of HOL when the team is playing, it's as if the USA was called Pennsylvania, Texas or whatever.
I am a Swede, but I can't say I take an exteme delight in seeing my country's team play. They seem to be full of lucky goals, and while Ibrahimovic can be brilliant thanks to his..brilliant, technique, most of his actions in front of the opponent team's goal make him seem like a confused moose.
Denmark has fast wingers, and of course Gravesen, and on the whole are a little more entertaining to watch, I say. Not much though. England,..I can't stand England all that much. France..well, nah, hope Greece wins that match
So...Portugal! Portugal! Portugal!!
Denmark has fast wingers, and of course Gravesen, and on the whole are a little more entertaining to watch, I say. Not much though. England,..I can't stand England all that much. France..well, nah, hope Greece wins that match
So...Portugal! Portugal! Portugal!!
Snapster
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Let's get this straight. and I won't resort to name calling. Firstly the game is called Football, ok? I have never disputed Cassano's ability or his great goal but it was funny to watch as events unfolded. Perhaps if you could actually read and comprehend the previous threads you would see that I don't like Italy's cynical, defensive way if playing.
Just to be sure you get it, Italy play defensive, cynical football and don't deserve jack as a result.[/quote]
Haha, firstly the game is called football, great game analysis. Yeah those Italians, looked real defensive the past two games, but you and you're great knowledge of football surely picked that up, right. Please.[/quote]
Um, well as Italy went out for not scoring enough then that looks pretty conclusive to me. However, I'm sure your awesome intellect and football analysis will convince you otherwise[/quote]
I'm pretty much convinced you haven't watch the last two games. Italy out shot sweden and bulgaria 40-20, but of course the only thing you can see from a game is the goals scored, good job.[/quote]
Sorry to disappoint you but I watched the Italy v Sweden game and while Italy played well first half they retreated as usual second half to protect a 1-0 lead.
Italy may have outshot Sweden and Bulgaria (most teams should be outshooting Bulgaria at least) but it's putting the ball in the net that counts. Italy need to change their mindset and not be so defensive.[/quote]
Latest Stats from Euro 2004
Country, Shots, Avg
------------------------
Italy, 56, 18.6
Czech Republic, 50, 25
Portugal, 49, 16.3
Denmark, 43, 14.3
France, 43, 14.3
Sweden, 40, 13.3
England, 39, 13
Germany, 38, 19
Croatia, 37, 12.3
Russia, 31, 10.3
Spain, 30, 10
Greece, 29, 9.6
Netherlands, 28, 14
Switzerland, 27, 9
Bulgaria, 26, 8.6
Latvia, 12, 6
Country, Shots on target, Avg
------------------
Italy, 26, 8.6
England, 25, 8.3
France, 20, 6.6
Denmark, 20, 6.6
Portugal, 20, 6.6
Sweden, 20, 6.6
Croatia, 19, 6.3
Czech Republic, 19 ,9.5
Netherlands, 16, 8
Germany, 14, 7
Russia, 13, 4.3
Greece, 10, 3.3
Bulgaria, 9, 3
Switzerland, 8, 2.6
Spain, 8, 2.6
Latvia, 5, 2.5
It's not that Italy didn't try to attack, you don't have that many shots for defending all the time they had the chances but unfortunately for them never managed to take them (Del Piero, Vieri were far off their best - Inzaghi could have made a difference). Italy are notoriously slow at starting tournaments, psychologically they set out their first game so they don't lose and build on trying to 'improve' every game they play. The Sweden game seems set for allot of debate . Italy clearly dominated the first half, and with a bit more luck and possibly better placed shots could have come out of that half 3 or 4 goals up. The second half started where the first half left off. What ignorant people seem to forget is that the game changed dramatically when Sweden made their round of substitutions. Italy were starting to tire physically and Sweden got a second wind and started to have a go at Italy. For those who say Italy just defended the entire second half, either were just plain blind, or ignorant and gone along with what the press say. I think people who do so, are discrediting the effort Sweden made to get back into the game, they forced the Italians back by attacking thus forcing them to defend. In the end they got the goal that was so crucial to them. I don't see any such derogatory comments about how the same happened to England vs France in the first game, England defended almost the entire half whilst the French attacked them, anyone having a go at England for being too defensive.....? Didn't think so!
For the Denmark - Sweden 2-2. For me it wasn't a fix, there is no way they way the game was played that it had any hint of it. After Sweden equalised, both teams obviously just settled for the draw as they knew that would mean they were both through, but given the little time left that's natural.
For the Totti incident, disgusting? yes, disgraceful? yes. However I think he should have been sent off before with that awful challenge as it was, again I don't see anyone making half the fuss about Alexander Frei spitting at Steven Gerrard. If you are going to tarnish people for one thing and not the other that's just being plain hypocritical.
Italy going out was their own fault same as any other team who do. I think in many cases Italians are picked on just because they are 'Italian' and is unfair. They've had many great players in the past, and many professional players (Maldini being one of the shining examples). If you want to tarnish teams for past and present traits why don't you remember the game fixing between Germany and Poland which was blatantly played out for a draw....after you hans, no after you. Or the failed drug testing in the past of current dutch players.
Oh on a side note, for those who said Italy never win more than 2-0, in 1964 they won 6-0 vs Turkey, they just haven't won more than 2-0 in the current revised Euro championship format, then again there are quite a few teams who share that record with Italy.
spherrod
Diamond Member
Latest Stats from Euro 2004
Country, Shots, Avg
------------------------
Italy, 56, 18.6
Czech Republic, 50, 25
Portugal, 49, 16.3
Denmark, 43, 14.3
France, 43, 14.3
Sweden, 40, 13.3
England, 39, 13
Germany, 38, 19
Croatia, 37, 12.3
Russia, 31, 10.3
Spain, 30, 10
Greece, 29, 9.6
Netherlands, 28, 14
Switzerland, 27, 9
Bulgaria, 26, 8.6
Latvia, 12, 6
Country, Shots on target, Avg
------------------
Italy, 26, 8.6
England, 25, 8.3
France, 20, 6.6
Denmark, 20, 6.6
Portugal, 20, 6.6
Sweden, 20, 6.6
Croatia, 19, 6.3
Czech Republic, 19 ,9.5
Netherlands, 16, 8
Germany, 14, 7
Russia, 13, 4.3
Greece, 10, 3.3
Bulgaria, 9, 3
Switzerland, 8, 2.6
Spain, 8, 2.6
Latvia, 5, 2.5
It's not that Italy didn't try to attack, you don't have that many shots for defending all the time they had the chances but unfortunately for them never managed to take them (Del Piero, Vieri were far off their best - Inzaghi could have made a difference). Italy are notoriously slow at starting tournaments, psychologically they set out their first game so they don't lose and build on trying to 'improve' every game they play. The Sweden game seems set for allot of debate . Italy clearly dominated the first half, and with a bit more luck and possibly better placed shots could have come out of that half 3 or 4 goals up. The second half started where the first half left off. What ignorant people seem to forget is that the game changed dramatically when Sweden made their round of substitutions. Italy were starting to tire physically and Sweden got a second wind and started to have a go at Italy. For those who say Italy just defended the entire second half, either were just plain blind, or ignorant and gone along with what the press say. I think people who do so, are discrediting the effort Sweden made to get back into the game, they forced the Italians back by attacking thus forcing them to defend. In the end they got the goal that was so crucial to them. I don't see any such derogatory comments about how the same happened to England vs France in the first game, England defended almost the entire half whilst the French attacked them, anyone having a go at England for being too defensive.....? Didn't think so!
For the Denmark - Sweden 2-2. For me it wasn't a fix, there is no way they way the game was played that it had any hint of it. After Sweden equalised, both teams obviously just settled for the draw as they knew that would mean they were both through, but given the little time left that's natural.
For the Totti incident, disgusting? yes, disgraceful? yes. However I think he should have been sent off before with that awful challenge as it was, again I don't see anyone making half the fuss about Alexander Frei spitting at Steven Gerrard. If you are going to tarnish people for one thing and not the other that's just being plain hypocritical.
Italy going out was their own fault same as any other team who do. I think in many cases Italians are picked on just because they are 'Italian' and is unfair. They've had many great players in the past, and many professional players (Maldini being one of the shining examples). If you want to tarnish teams for past and present traits why don't you remember the game fixing between Germany and Poland which was blatantly played out for a draw....after you hans, no after you. Or the failed drug testing in the past of current dutch players.
Oh on a side note, for those who said Italy never win more than 2-0, in 1964 they won 6-0 vs Turkey, they just haven't won more than 2-0 in the current revised Euro championship format, then again there are quite a few teams who share that record with Italy.[/quote]
Thanks for the stats and much of what you say is true. Had Italy been able to think positively against Sweden and not remove two attackers, which noticeably changed the game and put the Italians under far more pressure then they would have won that game and be in the quarter finals. The problem people have with Italy is their constant inability to see the reasons for their own demise, for example blaming their socks or seeking a conspiracy where none is to be found. They have many, many great players who deserve better than this way of thinking which seems to be ingrained. Combine this with their playacting and diving (which seems to be spreading) and you can see why they're disliked.
As for Frei, no-one would dispute he deserves the same as Totti - however he hasn't been labelled 'class' on this forum which prompted the responses against Totti. I don't think anyone has said that Frei shouldn't be punished.
Country, Shots, Avg
------------------------
Italy, 56, 18.6
Czech Republic, 50, 25
Portugal, 49, 16.3
Denmark, 43, 14.3
France, 43, 14.3
Sweden, 40, 13.3
England, 39, 13
Germany, 38, 19
Croatia, 37, 12.3
Russia, 31, 10.3
Spain, 30, 10
Greece, 29, 9.6
Netherlands, 28, 14
Switzerland, 27, 9
Bulgaria, 26, 8.6
Latvia, 12, 6
Country, Shots on target, Avg
------------------
Italy, 26, 8.6
England, 25, 8.3
France, 20, 6.6
Denmark, 20, 6.6
Portugal, 20, 6.6
Sweden, 20, 6.6
Croatia, 19, 6.3
Czech Republic, 19 ,9.5
Netherlands, 16, 8
Germany, 14, 7
Russia, 13, 4.3
Greece, 10, 3.3
Bulgaria, 9, 3
Switzerland, 8, 2.6
Spain, 8, 2.6
Latvia, 5, 2.5
It's not that Italy didn't try to attack, you don't have that many shots for defending all the time they had the chances but unfortunately for them never managed to take them (Del Piero, Vieri were far off their best - Inzaghi could have made a difference). Italy are notoriously slow at starting tournaments, psychologically they set out their first game so they don't lose and build on trying to 'improve' every game they play. The Sweden game seems set for allot of debate . Italy clearly dominated the first half, and with a bit more luck and possibly better placed shots could have come out of that half 3 or 4 goals up. The second half started where the first half left off. What ignorant people seem to forget is that the game changed dramatically when Sweden made their round of substitutions. Italy were starting to tire physically and Sweden got a second wind and started to have a go at Italy. For those who say Italy just defended the entire second half, either were just plain blind, or ignorant and gone along with what the press say. I think people who do so, are discrediting the effort Sweden made to get back into the game, they forced the Italians back by attacking thus forcing them to defend. In the end they got the goal that was so crucial to them. I don't see any such derogatory comments about how the same happened to England vs France in the first game, England defended almost the entire half whilst the French attacked them, anyone having a go at England for being too defensive.....? Didn't think so!
For the Denmark - Sweden 2-2. For me it wasn't a fix, there is no way they way the game was played that it had any hint of it. After Sweden equalised, both teams obviously just settled for the draw as they knew that would mean they were both through, but given the little time left that's natural.
For the Totti incident, disgusting? yes, disgraceful? yes. However I think he should have been sent off before with that awful challenge as it was, again I don't see anyone making half the fuss about Alexander Frei spitting at Steven Gerrard. If you are going to tarnish people for one thing and not the other that's just being plain hypocritical.
Italy going out was their own fault same as any other team who do. I think in many cases Italians are picked on just because they are 'Italian' and is unfair. They've had many great players in the past, and many professional players (Maldini being one of the shining examples). If you want to tarnish teams for past and present traits why don't you remember the game fixing between Germany and Poland which was blatantly played out for a draw....after you hans, no after you. Or the failed drug testing in the past of current dutch players.
Oh on a side note, for those who said Italy never win more than 2-0, in 1964 they won 6-0 vs Turkey, they just haven't won more than 2-0 in the current revised Euro championship format, then again there are quite a few teams who share that record with Italy.[/quote]
Thanks for the stats and much of what you say is true. Had Italy been able to think positively against Sweden and not remove two attackers, which noticeably changed the game and put the Italians under far more pressure then they would have won that game and be in the quarter finals. The problem people have with Italy is their constant inability to see the reasons for their own demise, for example blaming their socks or seeking a conspiracy where none is to be found. They have many, many great players who deserve better than this way of thinking which seems to be ingrained. Combine this with their playacting and diving (which seems to be spreading) and you can see why they're disliked.
As for Frei, no-one would dispute he deserves the same as Totti - however he hasn't been labelled 'class' on this forum which prompted the responses against Totti. I don't think anyone has said that Frei shouldn't be punished.
spherrod
Diamond Member
1-0 Germany scored 20min into 1st half.
1-1 Czech scored at 29min
25 min left. still 1-1. Things not looking good for Germany
1-1 Czech scored at 29min
25 min left. still 1-1. Things not looking good for Germany
spherrod
Diamond Member
Oh things could not be any sweeter
Well except for Latvia scoring 3 in the last 10 minutes
Mnementh
spherrod
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: Mnementh
Oh things could not be any sweeter
Well except for Latvia scoring 3 in the last 10 minutes
Mnementh
I'm going to have to open another beer to toast this result
Originally posted by: spherrod
Originally posted by: Mnementh
Oh things could not be any sweeter
Well except for Latvia scoring 3 in the last 10 minutes
Mnementh
I'm going to have to open another beer to toast this result
I'm just on my 4th bottle now
Mnementh
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