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MrSquished

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Oh look it's the guy that thinks if Barack Obama didn't go to the farce of the inauguration of trump, yhat would be way too risky and dangerous for Republican talking points.

What a fucking tool. It's time to stop listening to status quo Democrats who are scared of their own shadows.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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If the past years have been any prediction of future events, there is no way anyone will be able to deprogram all of the MAGA cult members. One way I think the Democrats can win is to promise the things they think they want, then completely do what's actually right when they get in office. Get 2-4 years of total control and pass the important stuff fast and be done with it. The Democrats problem is they don't take the other side seriously enough, they do what they want to do and fuck the consequences, the Democrats tip toe around everything, afraid of offending someone.

I think part of the problem the Democrats have to deal with is their big tent that includes a plethora of different priorities and agendas that needs to be balanced, whereas the Republicans are more unified with racism and politically motivated misogyny being their highest call to order, the unspoken yet obvious unifiers they rally behind. They're two things of which they seem to all agree on and enforce via accusations of disloyalty to Trump.
oh wow, if this is true, jfc

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Can't wait to see what those rates look like after Trump and his oligarch raiding party pound away at those rates again. What's also interesting to me is how Trump is going to effortlessly make his own party's working class folks pay for the giveaways without them realizing it because he knows they don't have the awareness to know, he knows how easy it is to keep them in the dark about it, he knows they don't want/care to know anything bad about Him and their not having the situational awareness to understand how they're being ripped off by their own aristocrat masters.

There's more than a few reasons why Trump uttered aloud and right to their faces "I love the poorly educated."
 

KMFJD

Lifer
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does trump hold grudges?


~Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu were the closest of political allies during the four years they overlapped in office, at least in public. Not anymore. "I haven’t spoken to him since," Trump said of the former Israeli prime minister. "F**k him."
What he's saying: Trump repeatedly criticized Netanyahu during two interviews for my book, “Trump’s Peace: The Abraham Accords and the Reshaping of the Middle East." The final straw for Trump was when Netanyahu congratulated President-elect Biden for his election victory while Trump was still disputing the result.

"The first person that congratulated [Biden] was Bibi Netanyahu, the man that I did more for than any other person I dealt with. ... Bibi could have stayed quiet. He has made a terrible mistake."
— Donald Trump
 
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You think he’ll readjust his thinking? If he doesn’t then why would he think anyone else would when presented with facts? It’s not the economy, it’s not the messages, it’s the messengers and dems had a 100-3 disadvantage. Hell, even the pro democrat people have been spouting nothing but negativity for at least a year or two.
It's important to push back, even if some won't change their minds. As a public conversation, others may see this nonsense and let it reinforce their negativity. It's also just wrong; the economic negativity undercuts all rationale to expand the welfare state (and undercuts all evidence that domestic progressive policy did good things). How can we talk of raising taxes and spreading our fabulous wealth (yes, Americans are quite wealthy overall) if there is a vast, perpetuated social sentiment that we're all struggling to get by and living on the edge?
 

you2

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" The final straw for Trump was when Netanyahu congratulated President-elect Biden for his election victory while Trump was still disputing the result.


— Donald Trump
And that shows you how petty Trump is - see how minor of an infraction it takes to get on Trump bad side ?
 
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IronWing

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oh wow, if this is true, jfc

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TBH, I don't know why we bother with corporate income taxes at all. Tax the owners at their personal marginal rate and call it good. For foreign owners, I can see withholding the tax before profits leave the country so we have a chance of collecting the taxes owned but for domestic shareholders, I don't see much point. With corporate income tax, all shareholders pay the same rate regardless of personal income, taxing the less affluent investors at a rate higher than they would pay on earned income while taxing more affluent investors at a rate lower than the would pay on earned income.
 

SteveGrabowski

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It's important to push back, even if some won't change their minds. As a public conversation, others may see this nonsense and let it reinforce their negativity. It's also just wrong; the economic negativity undercuts all rationale to expand the welfare state (and undercuts all evidence that domestic progressive policy did good things). How can we talk of raising taxes and spreading our fabulous wealth (yes, Americans are quite wealthy overall) if there is a vast, perpetuated social sentiment that we're all struggling to get by and living on the edge?
That's ridiculous, lying about the people being fabulously wealthy in this capitalist dystopia is what undercuts necessary change. Then again I'm talking to someone who called it doomerism when I correctly pointed out how fucked the Democratic party was with Biden and Harris more than a year ago when it was pretty clear they were going to blow another election to Trump. Neoliberalism is an electoral loser that has given us two terms of Bush and two more of Trump but I'm the idiot for not drinking the Kool-Aid on it. ROFL calling what the Democrats do domestic progressive policy when we're so far to the right of the social democracies of the west that have reasonable healthcare systems and don't bury their young in crippling debt for the right to work.
 
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I dunno what's in the water up in Maine but JFC it is a bipartisan problem.

https://bsky.app/profile/mikemadden.bsky.social/post/3lfuumcqbc22q

Tariffs on food products we literally cannot grow are a special kind of stupid and I'm sure Americans are going to be real understanding if the price of say coffee goes up 50%.
Why can't we go back to great times of yesteryear, where we ate great things like loads of canned foods (because fresh wasn't available year-round) or had bad instant coffee?
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Why can't we go back to great times of yesteryear, where we ate great things like loads of canned foods (because fresh wasn't available year-round) or had bad instant coffee?
I mean, I do that already. It's cheaper than frozen, depending on the vegetable it's no different texture-wise, and it isn't already rotten by the time I get home like 'fresh' produce.
 
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HomerJS

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I don't believe someone that claims they were molested in late 1995 or early 1996.

She didn't say shit until 2019 or 23 years later. What was she waiting for?
Most of us already know this except the pro-rapists.
 
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you2

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Most of us already know this except the pro-rapists.
more importantly many of these woman told others of the sexual assault so there is a bit more than she say he say in play. In any case Trump is certainly someone that has no problem sexually assaulting women as has been proven in court.
 

trenchfoot

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more importantly many of these woman told others of the sexual assault so there is a bit more than she say he say in play. In any case Trump is certainly someone that has no problem sexually assaulting women as has been proven in court.

That right there is something Trump's male supporters, of whom many crossed party and cultural divides to vote for him, love and respect about him. Well, except if it ever happened to their own wives, daughters and loved ones.

Such is this weird contrast between reality and the fantasy world where a morally barren self-indulgent convicted felon and sex offender has become, by popular demand, our POTUS......again.
 
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ivwshane

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TBH, I don't know why we bother with corporate income taxes at all. Tax the owners at their personal marginal rate and call it good. For foreign owners, I can see withholding the tax before profits leave the country so we have a chance of collecting the taxes owned but for domestic shareholders, I don't see much point. With corporate income tax, all shareholders pay the same rate regardless of personal income, taxing the less affluent investors at a rate higher than they would pay on earned income while taxing more affluent investors at a rate lower than the would pay on earned income.

The reason we tax corporations is to help spur investment and spending instead of hoarding. Companies used to give employees bonuses and perks instead of paying more in taxes, now they just do stock but backs.
 
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Greenman

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At least @Greenman and @pcgeek11 will be happy on both fronts.
You have issues my friend, and you should address them. pcgeek and I aren't your enemy's, we don't control what others say nor do we wish harm on anyone. That you can't accept that we have differing opinions than yours say's a lot more about you than us.
As I've said before, I have no ill will toward you, nor do I wish you any harm at all. I find it a little sad that you consider me an enemy because we disagree but that's not something I can fix. I accept that you feel the need to call me out, but don't ever think that I feel the need to defend my opinions.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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You have issues my friend, and you should address them. pcgeek and I aren't your enemy's, we don't control what others say nor do we wish harm on anyone. That you can't accept that we have differing opinions than yours say's a lot more about you than us.
As I've said before, I have no ill will toward you, nor do I wish you any harm at all. I find it a little sad that you consider me an enemy because we disagree but that's not something I can fix. I accept that you feel the need to call me out, but don't ever think that I feel the need to defend my opinions.

While I can totally appreciate the sentiment, the not needing to defend your opinions is probably why you get so much shit. This is a discussion board where we discuss politics and it’s nearly impossible to have a meaningful conversation when you refuse to either back up your claims, not further explain your opinion, or not acknowledge counterpoints. Can you understand why people would have issues with that?
 
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you2

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The reason we tax corporations is to help spur investment and spending instead of hoarding. Companies used to give employees bonuses and perks instead of paying more in taxes, now they just do stock but backs.
Stock buy back but more so healthy compensation to executives. Just look at some of the salaries that went up with the tax breaks they received.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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You have issues my friend, and you should address them. pcgeek and I aren't your enemy's, we don't control what others say nor do we wish harm on anyone. That you can't accept that we have differing opinions than yours say's a lot more about you than us.
As I've said before, I have no ill will toward you, nor do I wish you any harm at all. I find it a little sad that you consider me an enemy because we disagree but that's not something I can fix. I accept that you feel the need to call me out, but don't ever think that I feel the need to defend my opinions.
I know you have different opinions. That why I posted it. I know both of those results will please you.

Differing opinions are fine. Pointing them out is also fine.