ModeEngage
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Uh, no. Not really. If you're playing a lot of these types of games, I'd try some early aggression on for size. Most of the 2v2 games I play are defined (not decided) by each side's initial pushes.
DrunkenSano
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If you push for early VRs or Carriers in 2v2, you'll just get squished by the other team's early rush because your partner will not be able to hold them off alone.
Honestly, this game is really getting to me. I haven't played in a long time, so I figured I'd fire it up and try to have fun. But everytime I turn around there's some 12 year old building a barracks just outside my base. Playing in the Gold league is torture. There's no chance to learn anything other than anti-cheese.
This game is terrible because of that, and since there's nothing Blizzard can do about it (the kiddie cheese), the game is dead to me. Oh well, it was cool for a month or two. Time to play with the adults again.
This game is terrible because of that, and since there's nothing Blizzard can do about it (the kiddie cheese), the game is dead to me. Oh well, it was cool for a month or two. Time to play with the adults again.
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lol. I'm in Gold still and not having this problem. you could always scout the cheese first?
evident
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this. although sometimes you will just get cheesed no matter what, learn to accept it, but once you get better at defending a cheese, you will pretty much win once you stop it.
yep, if something keeps happening to you over and over, find a way to stop it. don't whine about it!
Not worth my time in a game. If it keeps happening in a game, it's a design flaw. Like I said, fun for a few months. Time to play with the adults again.
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and what exactly is the design flaw? i really dont get it...
is the ability to do early attacks a design flaw? the need for early scouting?
If you scout the cheese in time its often an easy win... so there is a big risk in cheesing someone...
after a few games you know the most popular cheese tactics and how to stop them..
SC2 is a very fast paced RTS with lots of multitaksing required...
some people prefer slower games with more time for decisionmaking which is ok...
BINGO! This is what I think is *really* funny about the people who play this game all the time. They act as though it's really, really difficult when it's not. Any little kid can 4 gate and any little kid can 3-4 rax proxy rush to pump out marines and marauders with stim and concussives. How is that skill?
I'd say that the only race that doesn't have the option to cheese is Zerg, and guess what: no one plays them. Why? Because they are the most underpowered race in the game and because they don't have any really good cheese tactics (6 pool is always lost since any Protoss or Terran playing a Zerg will wall-in).
So, acting like this game is developed for some "higher mind" and someone who wants an "easier" game shouldn't play it is absurd. I've played about 150 ladder games total and have a 60% win ratio when I get to actually play more than a 6 minute all-in game. In the past few weeks that I started casually playing again, I've had 3 regular games and probably 20 all-in rushes from Protoss or Terran opponents.
Like I said, if that's what this game has come to, then it's done...and it's time to play something that actually requires higher thought and talent to play.
Thanks for helping prove my point though, I appreciate it!
If you can't defend proxy, you are just not good enough to play.
Any decent players know how to scout, defend proxy, etc.
So do you suggest setting a rule where no one attacks for the first 30mins and everyone go at it when 200 food is met?
If you can't defend the initial rush, thus ending the game in few mins, you just need to improve your game. Most of my games in the diamond leagues are 20-30mins long. Rushes are defended, comebacks are made, and cheese tactics are utilized in almost every game.
Any decent players know how to scout, defend proxy, etc.
So do you suggest setting a rule where no one attacks for the first 30mins and everyone go at it when 200 food is met?
If you can't defend the initial rush, thus ending the game in few mins, you just need to improve your game. Most of my games in the diamond leagues are 20-30mins long. Rushes are defended, comebacks are made, and cheese tactics are utilized in almost every game.
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Yup, I'm just not good enough to play. That's why my win % is good and I'm in a semi-decent league (was at the top till I stopped playing for 3 months).
If you are in the gold league, that puts in the mid. Top doesn't mean anything within the league...if you read up on how the ranking system works, you'd know.
Learn to scout, be able to defend early rush, and time your expansion.
What does it matter if you were ranked high? Its a game and cheese is just one way to play the game. Thats like saying dunking in the NBA should not be allowed because its hard to defend.
the best players are usually around 55-60%.
it's not about having a high win %, it's about points. points are more important because you gain more for beating harder opponents and lose more when you lose against lesser.
how many points do you have?
Not sure offhand, but I do know that your view of the points scale is skewed. You get more points by playing more as well. If you take 2 players who have the same win ratio, the one who plays more will have more points. It doesn't mean that they're better, it just means they play more.
not necessarily. yes theoretically, if you play more, you should be getting better which will go hand in hand in gaining points.
but you will have more games where you are matched up against similar/better opponents and if you lose, you will lose points as well.
if you lose against lesser opponents (which happens from time to time), you will lose even more points.
so your points is a pretty good indicator of the level of player you are (provided you've played enough games to get a good sample size).
it's not a perfect system, but it works pretty well.
> 2500 is the mark of a very good player.
why don't you just log into www.battle.net and look up your points in your 1v1? you can access it from a browser.
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You seem to want me to post my points simply because you want to point out that I'm not a very good player. I just looked and I'm nowhere near 2,500, but no one is in my league, not event he guy at the top has more than 2,100 so I believe that your theory is skewed basically because it requires tons of time to even get to that level.
Assuming a 24 points per win and 12 points per loss average, and a 50% win ratio, it would take 209 games to get to 2500. I have barely played over 100, so I'm not going to get there unless I've played at least that many games. Points are just for laddering and I believe only show how many games someone's played, not their talent level. My win % before the last 20 games was over 60%. That means more to me than points since I don't play every day.
Assuming a 24 points per win and 12 points per loss average, and a 50% win ratio, it would take 209 games to get to 2500. I have barely played over 100, so I'm not going to get there unless I've played at least that many games. Points are just for laddering and I believe only show how many games someone's played, not their talent level. My win % before the last 20 games was over 60%. That means more to me than points since I don't play every day.
i don't need to see your points to know you're not a very good player. i ask because i want to see what level player you are (and to prove my point that points is a better gauge than record).
i already know you're not very good because you got frustrated at proxy rax. it sounds like you don't scout.
you won't see 2500 at the top of your league because you're not in diamond.
win % is nice but it doesn't mean much because you can play a bunch of lesser opponents and that stat will look great.
if you go by points, you have a more accurate representation of where you stand.
i've won matches and have gotten 0 points. it was a given that i was going to win and did not deserve to be bumped up because i was playing a bronze noob.
never mind, i see that you're in gold.
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That's what the matchmaking system is for, no? I won't be playing a bunch of lesser opponents because the system should keep me at about a 50% ratio.
Nevermind, I see that you're in the same camp as coreyb. You have nothing to add and just want to act superior, yet you offer nothing useful. Again, thanks for proving my point.
Dumac
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You're not entirely correct, because of the bonus pool and division modifiers (for diamond).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150367
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830
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