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beginner99

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I can see targetting the Pylon as a viable strategy, but never the Nexus. Again, the goal of the fending off the assault is to build up about 3 or 4 Stalkers. Four Zealots would need a lot of time to take down a Nexus. Taking into account that you'd be harassing the Zealots with your own troops, then it'd be very tough to take it down (assuming a normal map, not fastest).


Just tried it again (killing nexus) and worked again. Go in with first 4-5 zealots from 2-gate. if he is going core + gas you can easly kill all his units and still have at least 3 zealots.
Took me 2 attacks to take it out and I might have been behind a bit (more units lost) but sure was ahead afterwards.

But I must admit he didn't play very smart even though he is higher ranked (platinum) than me (gold). He made no wall and had units in the middle of his base. So I could easly walk in and go for the nexus, twice.

I only do this if the start microing around their stalker(s). And he had like 4-5 pylons powering his gateways so that was not an option.

back to general zealot rush:
It's not an instant win strategy and I will get gas + core too but just a little later.
Anyway, I like the rushing. You are in control of the game and can act instead of react. Most times you get a small advantage which keeps getting bigger with each attack.
Also works nice vs terran if they don't wall.
 

NYHoustonman

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But I must admit he didn't play very smart even though he is higher ranked (platinum) than me (gold). He made no wall and had units in the middle of his base. So I could easly walk in and go for the nexus, twice.

I've found that, against Terran and Protoss, walling off can be more of a hindrance than anything. Against Zerg you naturally want to be able to hold off an early rush, but against the other two mobility can be very important (and the extra few seconds gained by not having to run to your ramp to build doesn't hurt, either). I'm never rushed by Terran/Protoss (Diamond), although I wouldn't be surprised if people start trying it...
 

Glitchny

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back to general zealot rush:
It's not an instant win strategy and I will get gas + core too but just a little later.
Anyway, I like the rushing. You are in control of the game and can act instead of react. Most times you get a small advantage which keeps getting bigger with each attack.
Also works nice vs terran if they don't wall.

There is a reason they are increasing zealot build time, and this would be it.
 

DrunkenSano

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Noob question: How do you share a replay with a friend?

I just had an epic (from a noob's point of view) TvZ battle against someone.
 

Fenixgoon

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Noob question: How do you share a replay with a friend?

I just had an epic (from a noob's point of view) TvZ battle against someone.

just email him the replay file?




also: anyone up for some SC2 tonight? hansoo, interested in casting?
 

Glitchny

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Ah, didn't realize it was in a separate directory, thanks. If I upload that SC2Replay file that is small, then anyone who downloads it can play it?

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/78257-1v1-terran-zerg-lost-temple

Feel free to critique or mock at your leisure. I definitely can pick up more tips and practice. :)

yes all replay files are very small and can be watched by anyone who downloads them.

also: anyone up for some SC2 tonight? hansoo, interested in casting?

I'll be online and up for some games, not sure how great my play will be but should be fun either way.
 

Ika

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I may or may not be online for tonight. I have some of you added to my bnet friends, although I don't remember who. If you guys want to play add me at ika.986 and we'll see how it goes.
 

Glitchny

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Had a TvT that didn't end in Viking/Tank yay! It did however end in 9min when I dropped 8 marines on his mineral line to harass... and he apparently had been straight teching the entire time. Was fun though.
 

Ika

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Fenix and I just played the worst game ever... I sent my 12 gate probe to scout, saw the forge... forge? oh shit... check my base, see the corner of purple. yep, got cannon rushed. taken out of the game. of course, our opponents (both P) were so bad that it was quite obvious the other P was doing a void ray rush. fenix gets stimmed marines and vikings, wards him off for a while, then gives me 400 mins to restart my base (with two probes, lol). I power econ and take three bases, while fenix starts to push out into their bases. they send one last void ray/carrier push at one of fenix's expansions, which gets handily destroyed by marines, vikings, and my 8 void rays. the guys then leave.

such a bad game, but I need to learn how to stop the early cheese as a P. I keep getting crushed by zealot rushes and cannon rushes, it's so lame. I don't have to deal with any of this in platinum 1v1.
 

JJChicken

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Fenix and I just played the worst game ever... I sent my 12 gate probe to scout, saw the forge... forge? oh shit... check my base, see the corner of purple. yep, got cannon rushed. taken out of the game. of course, our opponents (both P) were so bad that it was quite obvious the other P was doing a void ray rush. fenix gets stimmed marines and vikings, wards him off for a while, then gives me 400 mins to restart my base (with two probes, lol). I power econ and take three bases, while fenix starts to push out into their bases. they send one last void ray/carrier push at one of fenix's expansions, which gets handily destroyed by marines, vikings, and my 8 void rays. the guys then leave.

such a bad game, but I need to learn how to stop the early cheese as a P. I keep getting crushed by zealot rushes and cannon rushes, it's so lame. I don't have to deal with any of this in platinum 1v1.

Cannon rushes are typically default wins for you. They are the only games I can win lol. Two things:

- If you scout forge with your scout, immediately go 2 gate and pump zealots. It should be an easy win (unless he cannons his base - in which case apply pressure and fast expand - don't try to break through his cannons)
- WHENEVER you see an opponent's probe scouting - send a probe after it to make sure he isn't doing dodgy proxy pylons and stuff. If he builds pylons take them down and chrono a zealot to help you out.

Cannons and forge take alot of minerals - abuse this fact and go for the kill.
 

eLiu

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Fenix and I just played the worst game ever... I sent my 12 gate probe to scout, saw the forge... forge? oh shit... check my base, see the corner of purple. yep, got cannon rushed. taken out of the game. of course, our opponents (both P) were so bad that it was quite obvious the other P was doing a void ray rush. fenix gets stimmed marines and vikings, wards him off for a while, then gives me 400 mins to restart my base (with two probes, lol). I power econ and take three bases, while fenix starts to push out into their bases. they send one last void ray/carrier push at one of fenix's expansions, which gets handily destroyed by marines, vikings, and my 8 void rays. the guys then leave.

such a bad game, but I need to learn how to stop the early cheese as a P. I keep getting crushed by zealot rushes and cannon rushes, it's so lame. I don't have to deal with any of this in platinum 1v1.

Haha, I don't understand why people get so worked up about cheese. So you wasted <10min of life, go play another round. And at least for me, it always feels awesome to crush some cheesers.

Like tonight my friend and I were T(me)Z(him) vs TP on lost temple. We're both fucking up like crazy in the beginning (e.g., both boxed workers & split for minerals, then failed to click the hatch/cc & pressed 's', causing workers to stop :D), so we figured we'd rely on his overlord & xelnaga towers for scouting.

So his overlord reaches the nearest neighbor--protoss. and O HEY WHERZ DE GATEWAI?!?!?!?! So we both quickly scout our bases & there it is, cannon cheese at six o'clock in his main. He likes to play a pretty macro Z style, so he's got shit at this point, hilariously trying to forestall it w/drones.

Meanwhile I get hit w/some annoying ass reaper harass... luckily marauders were on the way & shut that down. But not before they killed several SCVs b/c my dumb ass wasn't paying attention.

I send some units to help but by then there are too many cannons up. But creep prevents the cannons from reaching too far--he just doesn't have use of the bottom half of his mineral patches. So he goes ahead and expands anyway! Not too long after, the terran drops marauders on the high ground over his natural, depriving him of the top half of that! XD

Soon after protoss sends some zealots & terran sends marines/marauders. It's too much & he's goign to die, so my friend grabs his speedlings and runs into the (empty) protoss base & kills the probes. I load up 2 tanks, 4 marines, 2 marauders (practically my whole army at the time) & drop on the terran's mineral line.

By now my friend's base is gone & we figured our opponents must have expanded once or twice by now since they should've had an advantage. So I share control of my units w/him: I'm on macro, he's on harassment/army control. I've got a force of tanks/marines/marauders/medivacs that he starts flying around with. Meanwhile I get some more units together & double expand. At first, we were wondering when the deathblow is coming. But as he pokes around, we realize that they have fewer units than I do & their combined econ is weaker than mine XD XD. We were laughing so hard.

Our two opponents were SO BAD at macro, omg. I guess the terran was semi-reasonable, but the protoss was the blow. We should've lost, but we got a hilarious game instead. It's like the protoss had NO idea about what to do after cannon rushing. And the terran player only knew how to populate 1 base and harass. He had almost every kind of harassment possible: reapers, helions, medivac+marauder drops, and banshees.
 

Glitchny

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Yea I agree on the whole cheese thing. The strats can be countered and most are all-in's so if you counter it it's almost always GG.

Today I was playing a TvT and decided to try an 8rax reaper cheese. The funny thing is that it would have worked flawlessly except the other T was doing proxy rax->marine rush! We ended up cheesing each other but he had an orbital command and I couldn't get an SCV out of my base to land and set up again. So he got another base set up before I could find him and it was GG.

It was hysterical though when I started owning his base and I look at mine and see the marine rush, I was just like, damnit the only thing that counters my cheese is his cheese!
 

Yeem

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It's pretty frustrating to be meeting only platinum and diamond league players and getting our asses handed to us when we're sitting in mid silver :/
 

eLiu

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Yea I agree on the whole cheese thing. The strats can be countered and most are all-in's so if you counter it it's almost always GG.

Today I was playing a TvT and decided to try an 8rax reaper cheese. The funny thing is that it would have worked flawlessly except the other T was doing proxy rax->marine rush! We ended up cheesing each other but he had an orbital command and I couldn't get an SCV out of my base to land and set up again. So he got another base set up before I could find him and it was GG.

It was hysterical though when I started owning his base and I look at mine and see the marine rush, I was just like, damnit the only thing that counters my cheese is his cheese!

LOL yes! I've had that type of shit go down before. Scrap station, TvT. I was going to planetary fortres rush b/c I love that cheese so much. I don't go for max speed, instead throwing up a supply depot + rax; sometimes I get an early marine or two.

My opponent did go for max speed--no rax, no supply...

As I was loading SCVs into my CC and about to take off, I see, out of the corner of my eye, a big red square rolling into my mini-map. OH SHI- so I quickly grab my marine+some SCVs and run under his CC. It was hilarious, he couldn't land b/c I kept units under his CC at all times (and slowly shot at it). All the while i was sitting there and taunting him. Mmmmmm... cheeeeeeeeese.
 

Glitchny

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haha yea I just watched this as well. It's an epic game. Wont spoil it but it is well worth watching the video, just don't look at the comments as people are spoiling it with every other post.

@eLiu: Yea I was just laughing the entire time. I couldn't believe that it happened. I also made a mistake in the end where I think I could have won it. I had 4 marines and 2 reapers out and got his CC in the red and flaming as he flew it out of range so I figured it would just die, so I went looking for his other buildings. But apparently he still had an scv and got the CC repaired and I was too stupid to realize it. By the time I found his base again he had a bunker with 2 marines in it and I was boned
 

Glitchny

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I can tell you the one thing that the zerg player did wrong. He didnt use corruptors or hydras to aim at the medivacs/ravens at all. He had a couple of marauders that were endlessly healed by 6 medivacs all at red health.

yea he also committed to broodlords, mismanaged them horribly and then stopped making them. He ignored the ravens:eek: and never made mutas when the terran only had 1 army. also having 100+ drones is dumb as hell.
 

bhanson

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13 game 2v2 random win-streak ended by this:

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I haven't seen that one before.

And I wasn't around last night because I was at work.