60% faster claimed in this thread. Smacking down that level of stupidity is not being a moron. If you think someone not being a moron is a personal attack, I don't know what to tell you.
You have a lot of nerve accusing me of being like Rollo, implying I am some kind of AMD viral marketer?
First of all most people here can attest that I very much criticized AMD's HD7950/7970 launch prices. You must have not been here at all when HD7000 series launches as most of our forum criticized their launch prices and many of us recommended GTX670/680 cards and even told initial HD7900 owners to wait a couple months for GTX600 series to drop to see if price wars ensue.
Let's start with the basics.
HD7850 1GB is 35-42% faster than GTX650Ti is on average at 1080P with AA.
We can even use a 2nd and 3rd review sources where HD7850 is 34% faster and where
HD7870 is about 62-65% faster than GTX650Ti is on average at 1080P with AA:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti/6/
and
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/23.html
We also know that HD7850 1GB can easily overclock to HD7870 speeds, implying that HD7850 OC would be 60-65% faster than GTX650Ti is with AA.
But wait, HD7850 overclocks past HD7870 in performance, which means my 60% faster number is actually on the lower end:
Looks like my claim that
HD7850 OC will be ~ 60% faster than GTX650Ti with AA is not out of thin air but is estimated based on actual reviews/research. Of course if you followed hardware as closely as I do, you wouldn't call me a "Rollo" and instead would have the courtesy to perform your own due diligence and double check if the numbers I posted were actually credible before claiming me to be biased and a paid shill aka Rollo. Had you done so, you would have seen that my estimates are actually very reasonable in regard to HD7850's stock and OCed performance compared to GTX650Ti.
Call it what you want, but GTX650Ti is a terrible buy at $150-170.
HD7770 is
$99 after rebate.
HD7850 1GB is
$170 after rebate
The cheapest GTX650Ti I can find is
$135.
Looking at a
typical review, it doesn't complex mathematical calculations to see that GTX650Ti offers worse price/performance than either does the 7770 or the 7850 1GB.
If you take overclocking into consideration for HD7850, then GTX650Ti is literally not even on the map. Most people would be far better off spending a little bit more for HD7850 than 650Ti if they planned to keep the card for more than a year OR if they are really on a budget, $100 HD7770 makes a lot of sense. The only exception is if you wanted AC3, but again that doesn't fix the 34-42% deficit that GTX650Ti has in games on average. After you beat AC3, you end up with a card that's 34-42% slower than HD7850. So what are you going to do for all the other games like Sleeping Dogs, Dirt Showdown, Alan Wake, Crysis / Warhead, Metro 2033, MOH:W, Metro Last Light, where GTX650Ti will be significantly slower than HD7850?
Critically you have also missed what these percentages actually mean in real world games. The differences between HD7850 and GTX650Ti mean that in modern games HD7850 has a very high chance of coming very close to 60 fps in shooters like MOH:W and with a mild OC go to 60 fps, or in other cases,
HD7850's minimum framerates often ~ GTX650Ti's average frames rates, or 650Ti suffers from very low minimums that make PC gaming experience on it much more reminiscent to HD7770 or console level of frame-rates.
In modern titles, in terms of playability, GTX650Ti is actually performing much closer to HD7770 (which is what I said earlier in this thread) (Computerbase has it being only 13% faster at 1080P AA). Here is MOH:W:
^ It's not just that HD7850 has 34-42% higher average performance but it actually means in practice very smooth gameplay in modern games near 50-60 fps while GTX650Ti will be providing you near console level of frame-rates (30-40). That's a
huge difference for PC gaming. It's actually far more critical than the difference between HD7950 and say HD7970. If some new GPU demanding game is released, and a budget gamer needed more performance, HD7850 can easily be overclocked, while GTX650Ti is a crippled GPU that hardly benefits from OCing in the same way.
If you had looked around the Internet, plenty of professional hardware reviewers are giving GTX650Ti
poor marks for value and performance. Don't go on a tangent comparing me to Rollo when the information I provided is backed by evidence not fantasies and marketing materials that NV forum shills utilized (Rollo).
To make things even more interesting, Newegg now has HD7870 OC for
$185.
GTX650Ti 2GB is going for
$157-175 with shipping. I think a lot of gamers would really be stunned to know that they'd be giving up 60-65% performance by going this route as opposed to spending a little more for the HD7870 (and 34-42% performance of going with HD7850, and 60% against HD7850 OC). AC3 is nice but like I said once you finish that game, you still have a $150 GPU that performs much closer to HD7770. Since most gamers don't buy a GPU to play just 1 game and don't swap out GPUs every 6 months, chances are the 40-60% more performance they would get in the form of HD7850-7870 is worth the extra $ over the GTX650Ti. It's not just me stating this, but professional reviewers are also stating it and I don't see you accusing them of being viral marketers.
In the case of HD7950/7970, I recommend them over NV cards regardless of the game bundles because both HD7950 V2 and HD7970 1Ghz cards are faster than their respective price competitors - GTX660Ti and GTX670. The 3 games they come with are just a bonus, but 7950 and 7970 do not have 34-60% worse gaming performance compared to the NV cards in their price brackets. In this case, to get AC3, you give up a tremendous amount of performance. This is not like the AMD game bundles for HD7900 cards where AMD offers free games, similar price, OCing headroom
and good gaming performance to begin with. GTX650Ti has none of those things other than 1 free game. That makes it a very questionable buy, especially for a budget gamer who will likely keep this card longer than high-end gamers keep their GTX680/7970s.
Even a higher margin for the HD 7850 from Computerbase!
I don't think Russian's example view was moronic or outlandish -- if anything, very consistent: strong price/performance and even more-so when one adds over-clocking into the debate.
Thank you Sir!
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