Official....Review of Fahrenheit 9/11

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glugglug

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Funny how all the neo-cons say the movie is based on lies, but we all know that if there was a single lie in it, they would be plastering the details of that lie all over the place.
I learned a few new things watching this, Shrub is more corrupt than even I thought.

There are 2 things I didn't like about this move:
1. The jab at the soldiers listening to rock music to get them in a killing mood for indiscriminately blowing things up is in bad taste.
2. There is a short bit on how the media follows neo-con lies like sheep, especially Faux News. This is TOO short for the intended audience to "get it". There should have been more focus on this point.
 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
What would be incredibly cool is an opinion poll conducted a week from now showing larger than normal drops in support for Bush and Iraq.

Moore would be grinning from ear to ear.


Moore is always grinning from ear to ear. It's kind of spooky.
 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Buz2b
Originally posted by: jpeyton
F9/11 is damning of Bush. I really hope Bush burns at the stake in November.

Nice sentiment about the sitting President of your country (if you indeed are a resident and a citizen). Would you hope that your mother or father suffer the same fate if they happened to disagree with your political ideology? What about your relatives, neighbors or classmates?? WTH, why not burn everyone that disagrees with your views; that would make it simpler for you. No one to argue with and no one to point out where you are WRONG!! God (and yes, I said GOD) help us all; we're going to need it if folks like you have any say about things.

Hi there. Do you know what a political statement is? When I said I hope Bush burns at the stake in November, those more mentally challenged among you may interpret this as my calling for the President to be tied to a piece of wood and lit on fire. This is false.

I hope he gets burned in the elections in November for his last 3 years of bullsh1t.

EDIT: BTW, I am a resident, and a citizen of foreign descent.

So your an illegal alien? Figures.

I'm a citizen of the US f-tard.

Well if you dont love this country you get the f-out.
 

glugglug

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Hating Bush doesn't mean he doesn't love this country. In fact, anyone who loves this country SHOULD hate Bush.
 

feelingshorter

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Hating Bush doesn't mean he doesn't love this country. In fact, anyone who loves this country SHOULD hate Bush.

Matter of opinion, but if you ask yourself...

If your childing died in world war 2, it would be for obvious reasons, and obviously worth it to stop Hitler.

If your childing died in Iraq, what reason was it that he died? To secure a town in a country that wants us out? Was the sacrifice worth a child just so you can secure Fljuha? A town and and country that wants you out?

Two simple comparison that my teacher used. Very good arguments. I would think in WW2 any parent would have said that the sacrifice was worth it to stop Hitler. Ask the same question to a mother that lost her son in Iraq and i think you'd get a totaly different answer.

Not only that its a money problem. Some of our troops over there dint even have body armor at the start and some still dont have it! The estimate of war cost by the end of 2004 was 600 BILLION! Every time a soldier gets deployed it costs TON of money. Meaning its cheaper to keep them in a barrack. So the more attacks the more money the US is losing. No one predicted the 50+ attacks on US troops at occure daily. Well obvious that 600 billion dollars estimate is a downsize of the real costs. 600 billion burned. BURNED! For what? For what? a question i keep asking myself.....
 

Queasy

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Some Moore quotes on how much he loves his country:

''They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet," Moore told Britain's Mirror newspaper recently, referring to his fellow citizens as a whole.

Here's Moore's reaction to the 9/11 attacks, offered while the rubble at Ground Zero was still smoldering: ''We, the United States of America, are culpable in committing so many acts of terror and bloodshed that we had better get a clue about the culture of violence in which we have been active participants.''

''The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win.''


Yep, some reeeeal love there alright. Moore is a huckster on the same level as Jesse Jackson. The only differece is that JJ sells victimhood to make his money while MM sells anti-americanism/anti-bushism to make his.
 

NFS4

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Just went and scored a ticket for 4:15 at the Rialto Theatre in Raleigh, NC this afternoon. Cost me $5.50. Can't wait to see it
 

Murphe

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I can't wait to see this movie! Regardless if you love Bush or hate Bush, It never hurts to look at different angles of every story. The US media never prints the entire story. For anyone who cares, I recomend another movie 911 The Road To Tyrany by Alex Jones. There are many things about our government that dont add up. As Americans, We need to question everything and weigh all the options. Bush has done a better job as President that I thought he would, But I still wouldn't vote for him if I had to vote again. I'm sure I'll have more to say later, I plan on seeing this movie today.
 

gururu

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Some Moore quotes on how much he loves his country:

''They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet," Moore told Britain's Mirror newspaper recently, referring to his fellow citizens as a whole.

intelligent people who do stupid things are dumb...albeit very intelligent

Here's Moore's reaction to the 9/11 attacks, offered while the rubble at Ground Zero was still smoldering: ''We, the United States of America, are culpable in committing so many acts of terror and bloodshed that we had better get a clue about the culture of violence in which we have been active participants.''

He's right (but I do see your point; it's as if he was waiting for it).

''The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win.''

It's true. They live there. Its their home. How are they terrorists again?

Yep, some reeeeal love there alright. Moore is a huckster on the same level as Jesse Jackson. The only differece is that JJ sells victimhood to make his money while MM sells anti-americanism/anti-bushism to make his.

at least they're not selling american lives in a war to line the pockets of the elite, or as Bush puts it, his "base".
 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: feelingshorter
No one predicted the 50+ attacks on US troops at occure daily.

Shrub might deny anyone predicting it, but plenty of people knew Iraq didn't want us there and that the citizens would fight back.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: gururuat least their not selling american lives in a war to line the pockets of the elite, or as Bush puts it, his "base".

Yeah, God forbid that when we're attacked by a bunch of terrorists that are based out of Afghanistan that we respond with force. Or, God forbid that when a rogue country like Iraq that is supporting terrorists, killing, murdering, and torturing it's own citizens, violating UN sanctions, and on and on that we do something about that as well. Not only do we do something about it but we turn around and see how fast we can give control of the country to the people of Iraq via a democratically elected governing body. Yep, real bastards America and Bush.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: feelingshorter
No one predicted the 50+ attacks on US troops at occure daily.

Shrub might deny anyone predicting it, but plenty of people knew Iraq didn't want us there and that the citizens would fight back.

I wouldn't exactly call foreign terrorists, former members of Saddam's army and fedayeen, and thugs like Al-Sadr looking to grab power 'citizens fighting back'.
 

CrazyDe1

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I hate Bush and I also don't like Michael Moore or how he presents things.

That being said the movie was entertaining....


My problems with how he presents things:

1. He makes it seem like letting the Saudis leave was a problem. Look, if your name was the same as teh terrorist who just attacked a country and you were in a foreign country and completely innocent you wouldn't want to be around either. I gaurantee you on the flights back there were CIA officials questioning them.
2. It's SMART not to piss off the Saudis if they really do own 7% of our economy, not to mention the oil that flows in.
3. He takes advantage of the same poor people and people who are victims in order to make points and it's so over the top that it taints the points he's trying to make.
4. That lady who lost a son, it seems like he was taking advantage of her to make a point. Yes, she wanted to be on film but I can't help but think that she's sitting there crying over a son and he's filming her pain in order to make his points.
5. He blames everything on 1 guy almost like congress has no effect on what goes on.
6. He seems to imply that the Bush administration is driven by its loyalty to its investors. Look, everyone and I mean everyone is personally biased and hires people they have worked with and know for high level jobs. How do most companies hire? That's right, referrals and through someone who knows someone. THis is no different in the US government. If you were in any high level position you'd fill the spots under you with people you trust. I know a few people who I would want working for me. You'd award contracts to people who have helped you in the past and who you know can do it. Anyone would do this.

My problems with Bush:

1. He can't speak coherently or think coherently.
2. He runs 4 companies into the ground and gets bailed out by foreign angel investors, how the hell can he run a country? Looks like he's great at running up deficits.
3. He blindly starts wars in the name of "national security". Look, if you aren't willing to fight in a war yourself you better not be starting one.
4. The ridiculous thing is if he brings democracy to Iraq and finds Bin Ladin he'll be looked at as one of the greatest presidents ever and he knows this.

Thoughts in General:

1. If you're not willnig to go fight in the war yourself you better not be starting a war. If I were president, don't know how well this would fly with the people but, if I declared a war I would think it was so just that I too would be out there fighting.
2. It's scary that Congress isn't reading the bills that pass...there's so much crap added to the bills as they go through that it's scary to think they arne't reading these
3. Why aren't US soldiers getting the contracts to rebuild Iraq? Here's an idea. Halliburton, you get the contract to go over there but you have to hire US soldiers to do your work and pay them 8-10k a month to drive the buses like civilians do. This would raise army moral. They're there anyways, let them earn more money.
 

gururu

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: gururuat least their not selling american lives in a war to line the pockets of the elite, or as Bush puts it, his "base".

Yeah, God forbid that when we're attacked by a bunch of terrorists that are based out of Afghanistan that we respond with force. Or, God forbid that when a rogue country like Iraq that is supporting terrorists, killing, murdering, and torturing it's own citizens, violating UN sanctions, and on and on that we do something about that as well. Not only do we do something about it but we turn around and see how fast we can give control of the country to the people of Iraq via a democratically elected governing body. Yep, real bastards America and Bush.

please oh please watch the movie Queasy. If you are capable of being objective and capable of being sympathetic to any humanitarian cause, please please open your mind.
 

Pepsei

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Just watched it, I had to wait in the $#@!ing line one hour before the show time. And there were more people for the second show. $6 per ticket for the first showing. The place was packed.

Talk about a very powerful movie. he is a very good filmmaker even if you hate his politics. Besides, he did critize Kerry for 20 minutes, see if you can catch it.

In the beginning, the sound of 9/11 without actually showing the video makes it even more powerful leaving it to your imagination. It feels really eerie at that point.

And at the end, showing his misquote of "fool me once" presents idea that we won't be fool again by him and should give someone else a chance to run this country.

If you're left wing already, it'll incite you even more, if you're undecided, it'll probably push you to vote against bush. As for the right wingers, they hate Michael Moore and how this film is going to make a bundle this week before going up against Spider Man 2.

There were some activist out there to register people to vote, I guess that's a good thing.
 

NFS4

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Just saw it. Good lord was that movie good. I was just simply astounded by the footage and the connections made.

And the theatre was PACKED!!!!!!!! The line was wrapped around the theatre when I got there, so I'm glad I got my ticket early. It must have been die-hard Democrats in the audience b/c everyone clapped when Michael Moore first came on the screen and there was a guy behind me cussing Bush the whole time. The audience was into the movie the whole time cheering and clapping. Everyone sorted gasped when the screen went blank and you head the explosions from the two planes hitting the WTC. And everyone gasped at the gruesome pictures of dead and wounded Iraqis and US soldiers. But the movie in general was very good IMHO

Good stuff indeed. B+

And at the end, showing his misquote of "fool me once" presents idea that we won't be fool again by him and should give someone else a chance to run this country.

The whole theatre was LOL'ing at that part. And the whole "Afghanistan" take on "Bonanza" was hilarious :D
 

Regs

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We are the government of the people, but if all else fails, blame Bush.
 

Staples

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I saw it today. It was pretty good. There was a bit of distortion over some issues but if you watch the national news everyday like I do, you would be able to pick it out. It was certainly no worse than Rush or any of the Conservative talk show hosts.
 

biostud

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Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

1. He makes it seem like letting the Saudis leave was a problem. Look, if your name was the same as teh terrorist who just attacked a country and you were in a foreign country and completely innocent you wouldn't want to be around either. I gaurantee you on the flights back there were CIA officials questioning them.
2. It's SMART not to piss off the Saudis if they really do own 7% of our economy, not to mention the oil that flows in.
3. He takes advantage of the same poor people and people who are victims in order to make points and it's so over the top that it taints the points he's trying to make.
4. That lady who lost a son, it seems like he was taking advantage of her to make a point. Yes, she wanted to be on film but I can't help but think that she's sitting there crying over a son and he's filming her pain in order to make his points.
5. He blames everything on 1 guy almost like congress has no effect on what goes on.
6. He seems to imply that the Bush administration is driven by its loyalty to its investors. Look, everyone and I mean everyone is personally biased and hires people they have worked with and know for high level jobs. How do most companies hire? That's right, referrals and through someone who knows someone. THis is no different in the US government. If you were in any high level position you'd fill the spots under you with people you trust. I know a few people who I would want working for me. You'd award contracts to people who have helped you in the past and who you know can do it. Anyone would do this.

I haven't seen the movie, but aren't these points made to make you "realize" what's going on in 'big business/politics' and how it's the average 'guy' how suffers from it?
 

Yossarian

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I liked it a lot, many powerful images. A little too much of Moore's gimmicks, like reading the Patriot Act over the loudspeaker of an ice cream truck or his lame attempt to make congressmen look bad by trying to get them to enlist their kids in the military. I was amazed at the interest in the movie though, it was playing in the #1 theater of a pretty big movie house here and the afternoon show I was in was full. There was a big line outside for the next showing as well.

Moore sure did a good job of making Bush look like an Ass. MM can put whatever spin he wants in his voiceover, but the shots of Bush speak for themselves and make me embarrassed that he is our Prez.
 

SuperTool

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Wow, that movie has made $9,447 per theatre on friday.
White Chicks made $2,480
F911 beat WC in totals despite opening in only 868 vs 2,726 theatres.
I bet the theater owners who shunned it are feeling stupid right about now.
I bet it cost next to nothing to make F911. Just take TV footage and some cheesy interviews or stunts, and voila.