**OFFICIAL: Red Sox vs Yankees 2005**

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: bigj3347
The yankees may have the most titles overall, but they also have the most dubious playoff record of all time as well. How is it possible to waste a 3-0 series lead in the postseason?? oh wait, the yankees did it with a 184 million dollar payroll. Great investment on a bunch of chokers. Not to mention that two years ago they lost to the Marlins, who had less than 1/3 of their payroll. And they call Jeter a winner? Tom Brady's a winner, where has Jeter been when the Red Sox were destroying them and going to world series or when Josh Beckett was dominating his team on the biggest stage?

When you're in the playoffs more than any other team, you're gonna lose more playoff games than any other team. The Sox weren't in the WS to be beat by Beckett, were they? Yes, the Yankees collapsed this year, but that has very little to do with their overall post season record. Jeter has about the same amount of WS rings as the Sox infield has. Yes, he's a winner. And it's not like the Yankees have a few more titles than the next team, they freaking blow away the compition. Nobody is CLOSE.

Good point Jeter came to the Yankees in 1995,and has 4 World Series wins,
The Red Sox have 6 in 102 years.

 

[bigj3347]

What was the Marlins payroll? What was the Yankees payroll in 2003? The Yankees didn't just get beat, they were thoroughly outplayed in every facet of the game against the Marlins. What do the Yankees do? go out and buy whoever they can just to waste a three nothing lead to the red sox. Tino Martinez is a winner, Roger Clemens is winner, David Wells is a winner. Jeter? he is overrated. Arod was a better hitting ss and was better defensively. Going out and spending top dollar on aging free agents aren't going to win any champions. The Yankees farm system is depleted, the farm system that once supplied the yankees with the likes of pettite, posada and jeter are now a joke. Bernie Williams is a liability at best in CF, Matsui has yet to prove himself in the postseason. Giambi is nothing without his steroids. Thats what 200 million dollars buys you these days. The Big Unit is over 40 years old, and you want him to be your ace? Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright are going to be this year's Javier Vasquez and Jon Lieber. NL pitchers who are going to be swallowed alive by the AL power lineups. Good luck with that. Wade Miller is an all star caliber pitcher who fell through the cracks, Matt Clemente was amongst the NL leaders in ERA, he just didn't have any run support. Now that he's got the tutelage of Schilling "AND the run support of the red sox, he is easily a 15 game winner. David Wells is old but other than schilling, he's the one i want to have take the ball in a big game. Don't forget arroyo, who's been solid all year last year and is only going to improve. and Wakefield, who's knuckler gave the yankees nightmares in 2003 before Boone's HR.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: bigj3347
What was the Marlins payroll? What was the Yankees payroll in 2003? The Yankees didn't just get beat, they were thoroughly outplayed in every facet of the game against the Marlins.

As any fan knows, the real WS in '03 was the Yankee/Sox series. And they Yankees were not "thouroughly outplayed". Yes they lost, but they were not clobbered.

What do the Yankees do? go out and buy whoever they can just to waste a three nothing lead to the red sox. Tino Martinez is a winner, Roger Clemens is winner, David Wells is a winner. Jeter? he is overrated.

David "my back hurts so I can't pitch" Wells is a winner more than Jeter is? LOL. Fact remains - Jeter has four championship rings. That's more than most people playing professional sports.

Arod was a better hitting ss and was better defensively. Going out and spending top dollar on aging free agents aren't going to win any champions.

Arod is aging? LOL. And the Yankees got a great deal for him, Texas is still paying through the nose for him.

The Yankees farm system is depleted, the farm system that once supplied the yankees with the likes of pettite, posada and jeter are now a joke.

Yet it still allowed them to trade for arguably the best pitcher in Baseball. And isn't Jeter overrated and Berine a liability? Why are we bringing them up in this context?

Bernie Williams is a liability at best in CF

Hmmm.. so you'd rather that they signed Beltran?

Matsui has yet to prove himself in the postseason.

I have no idea what you were watching this past postseason. Matsui almost singlehandedly carried the Yankees through the playoffs.

Giambi is nothing without his steroids. Thats what 200 million dollars buys you these days. The Big Unit is over 40 years old, and you want him to be your ace?

Uhhh... Yes. DUH. Do you even follow baseball? He had 290 strikeouts last year with a 2.60 ERA. I'll take it.

Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright are going to be this year's Javier Vasquez and Jon Lieber. NL pitchers who are going to be swallowed alive by the AL power lineups.

Wright is an NL pitcher? You are aware that he spent 1997-2002 in Cleveland, right?.:roll:

Good luck with that. Wade Miller is an all star caliber pitcher who fell through the cracks, Matt Clemente was amongst the NL leaders in ERA, he just didn't have any run support.

I guess you'd rather have him than an "aging" Randy Johnson. Good luck with THAT.

Now that he's got the tutelage of Schilling "AND the run support of the red sox, he is easily a 15 game winner.

LOL

David Wells is old but other than schilling, he's the one i want to have take the ball in a big game. Don't forget arroyo, who's been solid all year last year and is only going to improve. and Wakefield, who's knuckler gave the yankees nightmares in 2003 before Boone's HR.

*Shakes head in disbelief

 

[Lyfer]

Go GIANTS! (Bonds needs to share that juice with everyone to get the job done for us )

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Lyfer
Go GIANTS! (Bonds needs to share that juice with everyone to get the job done for us )

Start your own damn thread. :|

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Anyone else enjoying the rebroadcast of the 2004 post season on NESN as much as I am?

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Big Unit, meet Manny Ramirez and Green Monster. Yankees lineup, prepare to be shut down again by a healthy Schilling again. Who's your daddy, NY?

Meh, Schilling's still got knee cartilage left. Randy doesn't. So what if Curt pitched a few games with a bum ankle. Randy pitched the whole year without knees! Who's the REAL MAN here? REAL MEN don't need cartilage!

Just a few more days to pitchers and catchers.

 

[bigj3347]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: bigj3347
What was the Marlins payroll? What was the Yankees payroll in 2003? The Yankees didn't just get beat, they were thoroughly outplayed in every facet of the game against the Marlins.

As any fan knows, the real WS in '03 was the Yankee/Sox series. And they Yankees were not "thouroughly outplayed". Yes they lost, but they were not clobbered.

What do the Yankees do? go out and buy whoever they can just to waste a three nothing lead to the red sox. Tino Martinez is a winner, Roger Clemens is winner, David Wells is a winner. Jeter? he is overrated.

David "my back hurts so I can't pitch" Wells is a winner more than Jeter is? LOL. Fact remains - Jeter has four championship rings. That's more than most people playing professional sports.

Arod was a better hitting ss and was better defensively. Going out and spending top dollar on aging free agents aren't going to win any champions.

Arod is aging? LOL. And the Yankees got a great deal for him, Texas is still paying through the nose for him.

The Yankees farm system is depleted, the farm system that once supplied the yankees with the likes of pettite, posada and jeter are now a joke.

Yet it still allowed them to trade for arguably the best pitcher in Baseball. And isn't Jeter overrated and Berine a liability? Why are we bringing them up in this context?

Bernie Williams is a liability at best in CF

Hmmm.. so you'd rather that they signed Beltran?

Matsui has yet to prove himself in the postseason.

I have no idea what you were watching this past postseason. Matsui almost singlehandedly carried the Yankees through the playoffs.

Giambi is nothing without his steroids. Thats what 200 million dollars buys you these days. The Big Unit is over 40 years old, and you want him to be your ace?

Uhhh... Yes. DUH. Do you even follow baseball? He had 290 strikeouts last year with a 2.60 ERA. I'll take it.

Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright are going to be this year's Javier Vasquez and Jon Lieber. NL pitchers who are going to be swallowed alive by the AL power lineups.

Wright is an NL pitcher? You are aware that he spent 1997-2002 in Cleveland, right?.:roll:

Good luck with that. Wade Miller is an all star caliber pitcher who fell through the cracks, Matt Clemente was amongst the NL leaders in ERA, he just didn't have any run support.

I guess you'd rather have him than an "aging" Randy Johnson. Good luck with THAT.

Now that he's got the tutelage of Schilling "AND the run support of the red sox, he is easily a 15 game winner.

LOL

David Wells is old but other than schilling, he's the one i want to have take the ball in a big game. Don't forget arroyo, who's been solid all year last year and is only going to improve. and Wakefield, who's knuckler gave the yankees nightmares in 2003 before Boone's HR.

*Shakes head in disbelief

There is a difference in being a winner and being a good player. Jeter is a good, not great player that everyone says he is. Just look at his numbers, average at best. Bernie Williams was a really good player, but he is now too old. He is no longer gold glove CF from the 90's. Jaret Wright may have spent a lot of time in the AL, but his best year last year was in the NL. NL pitchers get about two to three free outs every game. Instead of pedro out there with a bat, AL gets the likes of David Ortiz out there. You seem proud of the fact that the Yankees are able to go out and get whoever they want even with a depleted farm system. One Word: CASH. The Big Unit had a great year last year, that is obvious. But the fact is he isn't getting younger, he is just as liable to get on the DL as Curt Schilling is. The difference is the Sox have insurance in signing all their extra pitchers. The Red Sox, instead of going out and fighting a money battle they know they can't win, signed quality players to supplement the solid core group of guys they already have. In addition to building up their farm system for the future. You know your under a lot of insane contracts when your paying the likes of Bernie, Giambi, and Brown, more money than the some entire teams. Matsui has proved himself in the playoffs? where was he when the Yankees were losing their 3-0 lead? If memory serves me correctly, he was 1-13 during the historic comeback, good job proving yourself buddy. ARod is a great player, too bad he's paid 25 million a year to do nothing when his team needed him the most.

 

[frankie38]

RED SOXS SUCK!

 

[raystorm]

Lets go Mets!!!! I cant wait for the baseball season to start! Should be a fun year..unless the Mets turn into the Mets if you get my drift.

I gotta admit though.. the first game of the season and its Schilling vs Johnson??? That is an amazing way to start the 2005 season!

ooooo..I'm pumped!!

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: frankie38
RED SOXS SUCK!

Thank you for your insightful contribution. What's a Red Soxs? :roll:

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: frankie38
RED SOXS SUCK!

Right. That's why the won the World Series.

Back to our regular scheduled yelling fest.

I am a die-hard sox fan, but let's be honest... the Yankees should make a run at 116 games as long as they stay healthy. As a Sox fan I'm expecting the Yankees to take the division comfortably and the Sox to take the wildcard without much of a problem. I really think that, although the Yankees are going to be the better regular season team, the Sox match up against them well come playoff time.

The Sox have definitely taken some chances on pitchers in the offseason, but the good news is there isn't a ton of money sunk into Clement. Anyway... it's going to be a GOOOD season.

Good luck Yankees and let the games begin! woooop!

 

[Ranger X]

The Yankee pitching is good on paper but somehow I'm not sold on Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano. They each had one good year and it happened to have been their walk year. RJ will be dominant but the question is, will his knees hold up?

I'm neither a Yankees fan nor a Red Sox fan but I'm totally psyched about the rivalry. There's more at stake in 2005 than last year's A-Rod fiasco.

 

[Legendary]

<--going to Yankee Stadium for opening day vs. BoSox

 

[aplefka]

I dunno how the Red Sox are gonna do this year.

Do you think expectations will be raised or lowered now that the curse has finally been broken? I hope we do well but I'm not gonna ask for two in a row. That's greedy, and we're not the Yankees.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: aplefka
I dunno how the Red Sox are gonna do this year.

I'm not gonna ask for two in a row.

What??!! Why not?? I hope the BoSox go to the World Series again after beating the Yanks again in the ALCS.... then lose against the Mets in the World Series

ok..thats a dream but why the hell not. You should want your fav team to win EVERY year..nothing greedy about that!

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: Legendary
<--going to Yankee Stadium for opening day vs. BoSox

But the question is, are you actually going inside and sitting down?

 

[spaceman]

Johnson is a plus but how much at 42 and 43?
coming to the AL and the AL East in particular wont help his numbers.
beyond that...the Yanks dont really scare me.
Obviously, they have some good players....but they certainly arent bust proof.
Pavano?I could see him pulling a Vasquez...........


im at least as concerned about the Sox rotation.I like Wells, but he too is bound to hit the age wall at some point.
Wade Miller?...who knows if he will even pitch again in any significant capacity.A good Gamble nevetheless..
Clement....see Pavano

 

[SP33Demon]

Damon has a new book coming out:

Johnny Damon wouldn't let on about the contents of his new book, ``Idiot: Beating The Curse And Enjoying The Game Of Life.'' When asked if he was going to drop any bombshells within the pages, he quipped: ``Well, you've got to buy it. We'll see.''

Also, ARod is getting slapped around by the media like a Kevin Brown fastball at Fenway!

 

[rh71]

what is this, basketball ? Leave the smack-talk to the pros.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: rh71
what is this, basketball ? Leave the smack-talk to the pros.

Baseball > Basketball

 

[Phokus]

Pfft, yankees' pitching lineup is overrated and old.

Also, A-rod sucks (and he slaps like a sissy). He's probably getting some on the side from Jeter

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: TheAudit

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Argo
Our unit is bigger than yours. End of argument.

Our pitcher has more rings.

Technically, I'd rather have the bigger unit.

Is Shilling healthy? I heard he has diarrhea, wait, let me check the news, he's probably having a news conference about it.

Hehehe. Schilling just announced he has asthma, but he's going to go and pitch threw that. He also claimed that he would like to get traded to the Cubs and break up their curse.

Cubs win the world series 2005!!
LK Kool,hahaha.

They would need to beat St Louis on the way,those games would sell a lot of tickets.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: rh71
what is this, basketball ? Leave the smack-talk to the pros.

Baseball > Basketball

* > Basketball (well maybe except for Curling)

 

[ThePresence]

Let the wars begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait till Sunday!