Official Playstation 5 thread

[purbeast0]

Sorry, but the industry has changed. The only thing that makes money these days are live service and mobile (especially mobile, CoD Mobile made $1B last year). Cheer up, they still have the sport gamers to sponge off of.

From Software would like to have a word with you.

 

[quikah]

From Software would like to have a word with you.

They were very successful, but pale in comparison to $ generated in mobile and live service games.

 

[purbeast0]

They were very successful, but pale in comparison to $ generated in mobile and live service games.

Stop moving the goal posts. You said "the only things that make money these days are live services and mobile".

I'm not even sure why you are bringing up mobile in a console forum and discussion, it's a completely different platform.

So that just leaves us with live services. There are dozens and dozens of games that aren't live service games that make tons of money on console.

 

[MoragaBlue]

I mean I'll do the same because I don't have any control over the situation, but it saddens me that the logical course of action now is for Sony to start making their exclusives more Ubisoft like, with microtransactions and as live service games since that's how they'll maximize revenue since they can't make fat stacks taking a cut of yearly COD sales.

You could be spot on this point, but I really don't know enough of the gaming industry or insights on Sony in particular to really add any color to this, only that the folks running Sony have been very successful with the PS franchise. I can only assume they'll continue to run their PS business offering consoles and a gaming platform that appeals to gamers world-wide, as they have for the past couple of decades.

Which is what their strategy was in the PS4 gen, and led to some really incredible single player games. I value the great single player exclusives like Sony made last gen, even at full price, way more than being able to get Bethesda games on Day 1 through a cheap subscription. So for my gaming tastes it's a major step down if it plays out this way.

Likewise, I enjoy very much the single player experience and often eschew the multi-player stuff. I suppose, I'm the sort of gamer which, if reports are true, EA hates because I don't play well with others and much prefer a single player experience with my wifi turned off. Aside from Starcraft on battle.net where I had met a great group of guys to play together, I've never had a multi-player experience that quite appealed to me.

Regarding even many of the AAA games, they've been dumbed down so much over the years, I'd rarely pay for any of them. This is why I find Game Pass so compelling because it addresses that conundrum. I'll just play it, forget about it, and then move on. Even better, if it sucks or dumbed down too much, I can just discard it.

Some single player games like God of War and Elden Ring, I'd pay and play it for a very long time, much as I had during a mis-spent youth playing the Baldur's Gate series.

PS - At least Bethesda sort of redeemed themselves with Doom Eternal reintroducing some elements that make FPS' great. I mean, during last several Dooms I thankfully didn't have time to play, especially the one where you have to play in the dark--stupidest thing I ever tried.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

PS - At least Bethesda sort of redeemed themselves with Doom Eternal reintroducing some elements that make FPS' great. I mean, during last several Dooms I thankfully didn't have time to play, especially the one where you have to play in the dark--stupidest thing I ever tried.

That's just Bethesda publishing though, id is the one who develops the Doom games. Bethesda the developer really needs to show something with Starfield after having a trash previous gen showing. All Bethesda developed last gen was the okayish Fallout 4, the complete garbage Fallout 76, and then pay2win crap in Elder Scrolls Blades and Fallout Shelter. If Starfield isn't amazing it's going to be time to write off Bethesda the developer as another Bioware or Rare. Like watching Jordan on the Wizards.

 

[quikah]

Stop moving the goal posts. You said "the only things that make money these days are live services and mobile".

I'm not even sure why you are bringing up mobile in a console forum and discussion, it's a completely different platform.

So that just leaves us with live services. There are dozens and dozens of games that aren't live service games that make tons of money on console.

It is the internet, I always talk in hyperbole. Sorry. I was replying to steve's complaints that CoD leaving PS (it is not) is causing Sony to pivot to live service and hurting their 1st party because they cannot sponge off CoD players any longer. My argument is that the vast majority of money in the gaming industry is increasingly being made via mobile/live service. I mention mobile because they use the same business model and I am talking about game industry in general. Not to mention mobile and console games are becoming one. Genshin, Fortnite, CoD, are on console/PC/mobile. Sony was going to pivot to live service regardless of what happened to CoD, it is where the money is.

 

[purbeast0]

It is the internet, I always talk in hyperbole. Sorry. I was replying to steve's complaints that CoD leaving PS (it is not) is causing Sony to pivot to live service and hurting their 1st party because they cannot sponge off CoD players any longer. My argument is that the vast majority of money in the gaming industry is increasingly being made via mobile/live service. I mention mobile because they use the same business model and I am talking about game industry in general. Not to mention mobile and console games are becoming one. Genshin, Fortnite, CoD, are on console/PC/mobile. Sony was going to pivot to live service regardless of what happened to CoD, it is where the money is.

It just sounds like you are completely discounting games like:

God of War
Uncharted
The Last of Us
Elden Ring
Super Mario Kart
Zelda Breath of the Wild
Mario Odyssey
Metroid Dread
Xenoblade Chronicles
etc.

When talking about consoles.

 

[quikah]

It just sounds like you are completely discounting games like:

God of War
Uncharted
The Last of Us
Elden Ring
Super Mario Kart
Zelda Breath of the Wild
Mario Odyssey
Metroid Dread
Xenoblade Chronicles
etc.

When talking about consoles.

Elden Ring sold 17M copies. At ~$40 per (generous IMO) that is $680M. They can get that every ~3 years IF they are lucky (Sekiro did significantly less). Fortnite makes that in 6 months. Regardless of whether CoD leaves PS, Sony wants a piece of that market and are investing in it. Who knows how it will impact their 1st party.

 

[purbeast0]

Elden Ring sold 17M copies. At ~$40 per (generous IMO) that is $680M. They can get that every ~3 years IF they are lucky (Sekiro did significantly less). Fortnite makes that in 6 months. Regardless of whether CoD leaves PS, Sony wants a piece of that market and are investing in it. Who knows how it will impact their 1st party.

Elden Ring was $60/$70 on consoles at launch and $50/$60 right now, not $40. Your math is off.

And who cares if Fortnite makes that in 6 months. I'm not really sure what your point is. Are you trying to say that $680 million is not a lot of money? Because I'd argue otherwise.

I'd also put money on the mobile version of Fortnite making more money than any other platform, which has nothing to do with consoles. The mobile platform is not in direct competition with consoles. No one is NOT getting a PS5 because they already have a phone to play games on.

 

[jpiniero]

Elden Ring was $60/$70 on consoles at launch and $50/$60 right now, not $40. Your math is off.

$40 is about the wholesale price.

 

[quikah]

And who cares if Fortnite makes that in 6 months. I'm not really sure what your point is. Are you trying to say that $680 million is not a lot of money? Because I'd argue otherwise.

My point is that Sony is getting into Live Service because that segment makes a whole lot of money (more than traditional games?) not because CoD might leave PS, which is the original point I was trying to refute.

Just from today's news:

"PlayStation Studios must continue to expand and diversify our offering beyond console, bringing incredible new games to more people than ever before," said Hermen Hulst, Head of PlayStation Studios. "Acquiring the talented team at Savage Game Studios is another strategic step towards that goal. I’m really excited about what Savage is working on and I’m confident they will deliver a high-quality experience. Our move into mobile, like our expansion into PC and live service games, strengthens our capabilities and our community, and complements PlayStation Studios’ purpose to make the best games that we can."

 

[purbeast0]

My point is that Sony is getting into Live Service because that segment makes a whole lot of money (more than traditional games?) not because CoD might leave PS, which is the original point I was trying to refute.

Just from today's news:

Eh, okay whatever. It's obvious that games as a service can make a ton of money, but again, this all goes back to you saying the only way to make money is live service games which is obviously false, but as you mentioned, was hyperbole.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Meh what Microsoft has done feels more anticompetitive to me, buying up established developers to lock a lot of major franchises into the XBox platform. The Activision buyout especially sucks because it kills Sony's ability to treat the console and their great big budget first party titles as loss leaders to get people onto the platform so they buy yearly releases like COD on that system. Sony's response to the sale was to start investing in a lot of live service crap. Gross.

Sony has long paid developers to withhold content from Xbox though, including CoD. There is content in Destiny 2 that never released to Xbox platforms. This will continue now that Bungie is part of PlayStation.


This prevents that practice now for many studios and there has not been much talk to my knowledge about limiting the audience to just Xbox if the acquisition goes through so PlayStation will still see CoD releases. I think Phil Spencer said that it wouldn't make sense to withhold it from the PlayStation. Now there may be some content locked out from PlayStation but the nature of game development now is money talks and Xbox has the money right now.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The Last of Us Part 1 - PlayStation 5 - The Digital Foundry Tech Review - YouTube

Some night scenes look so dark on PS4 that you can barely see anything but PS5 shows them beautifully.

 

[purbeast0]

Meh, as much as I love TLOU, I can't get excited in the least for game I beat like a decade ago being released for the 3rd time.

 

[sze5003]

Pretty sure I finished the first last of us at least 3 times.

I'm sure the graphics looks great and I hear they upped the AI count too but they didn't really add all the features of part 2 as that would require restructuring of the level design to allow prone/dodge.

I would be interested in getting this just to have at some point but only in a deep sale.

$70 is not an interesting price for a remodel. But if I were a new consumer with a PS5 I'd love to experience it for the first time.

 

[Oyeve]

Pretty sure I finished the first last of us at least 3 times.

I'm sure the graphics looks great and I hear they upped the AI count too but they didn't really add all the features of part 2 as that would require restructuring of the level design to allow prone/dodge.

I would be interested in getting this just to have at some point but only in a deep sale.

$70 is not an interesting price for a remodel. But if I were a new consumer with a PS5 I'd love to experience it for the first time.

I played it through at least 8-10 times, including the remaster. Probably wont play this updated version. It looks great and all but I am not paying for this yet again.

 

[purbeast0]

If I could get the PS5 version for like $20 or $30 I'd snag it, but no more than that. Checking out that DF video, it does look significantly improved. I haven't played that game since it was released on PS3.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The Last Of Us Pt 1 remake review: Enough upgrades to leave us stunned | Ars Technica

• Top-to-bottom visual refresh means no stone was left unturned—or untouched by an amazing new lighting-and-shadow system.
• Overhauled cinematics are now rendered in real time and vastly outpace the pre-rendered scenes on PS3. (This time, you'll cry.)
• Upgrades to enemy AI and battle scenarios finally have us thrilled about this game's combat.
• Accessibility features make the game as approachable as possible.
• Unlockable behind-the-scenes goodies include a revealing "director's commentary" option.

Seriously seems worth getting.

 

[purbeast0]

The Last Of Us Pt 1 remake review: Enough upgrades to leave us stunned | Ars Technica



Seriously seems worth getting.

They went into depth in the cutscenes in the DF review.

A lot of the difference was in the way the eyes are rendered now. You can see a lot more emotion and mannerisms. It's very impressive.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Found out something new. PS5 supplied HDMI cable doesn't work with Xbox One X. So it's not backward compatible with HDMI 2.0b?

 

[Saylick]

The Last Of Us Pt 1 remake review: Enough upgrades to leave us stunned | Ars Technica

Seriously seems worth getting.

Ehhh, as someone who has the PS4 Remastered version already, I'll buy this maybe when it's like $20.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I played it through at least 8-10 times, including the remaster. Probably wont play this updated version. It looks great and all but I am not paying for this yet again.

I've played it across 3 variations of hardware. PS3, PS4, and PS4 Pro. I'm not interested in it. There is a sentiment among some online that it's a cash grab and hype generator for the new show to be released. I could see that argument being made.

If I never played it ever and just got a PS5 I'd probably want to try it. I can also see it being fairly successful on PC, but this doesn't even come with the online component for $70.

 

[purbeast0]

Yeah the price of $70 for a re-re-make/master is pretty ridiculous, especially with less content. I'm not really sure how they are justifying that price but whatever, that isn't for me to decide or worry about.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Yeah the price of $70 for a re-re-make/master is pretty ridiculous, especially with less content. I'm not really sure how they are justifying that price but whatever, that isn't for me to decide or worry about.

I think this was made mostly to bring to PC without looking like a ten year old game, since PC gamers have been thirsty as hell for this game for years.