*Official* Ongoing Police Misconduct Thread -- Experiment Terminated 6/27/14

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fleshconsumed

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Helps if you quote the content you're replying to.

That doesn't solve anything. That only works if two people, A and B are having a conversation between two of them.

Having everything in one thread makes it impossible for a third person, C, to jump into discussion because that person C would have to follow the entire quoting history just to determine which story people A and B are talking about. And that is practically impossible to do when there are dozens and dozens of cop stories being discussed in the thread.

This stifles discussion plain and simple.
 

Oldgamer

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I often wonder too, what the purpose is for having undercover cops "pretend" to be protesters, unless of course they are trying to get information on all protestors. This is the kind of thing China or Russia would do, right before they go arrest the protestors on "false charges" at their homes. It is a great way to stop people from protesting, or scare people off from wanting to gather and protest.

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http://www.koat.com/news/protesters-post-photos-of-undercover-cops-online/26627628#!27MzJ

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. —Undercover Albuquerque police officers were spotted at a march to stop police brutality, and their photos have been posted online.

Hundreds marched down southeast Albuquerque streets Saturday, demanding an end to police brutality. In the crowd were several undercover officers.

“I’m at a loss to explain the purpose, the need, the value in embedding an undercover officer (in this situation),” said retired Albuquerque Police Commander Nick Bakas.

Mayor Richard Berry declined to comment on the decision to put the undercover officers at the gathering.

The decision was consistent with U.S. Department of Justice recommendations, for the sole purpose of monitoring for public safety issues, said Albuquerque police Chief Gorden Eden. He said though the event was peaceful, previous events included an individual armed with an assault rife.

Bakas said undercover officers are usually at events that attract people from out of town with an unknown agenda or may be violent.

“I'd be interested to know what was gleaned or learned from embedding an undercover officer in this type of march,” said Bakas.

Albuquerque Police Department said undercover officers are there to react and help out if anything were to happen. People took those officers pictures on Saturday, however, and protesters published them online.

Bakas said this could compromise the officers’ ability to do their jobs, and puts their lives at risk.

“If the individuals identity is now made public, he's now broadcast on the media, Internet, what have you, his effectiveness as an undercover officer has been compromised,” he said.
 

Ns1

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CHICAGO (CN) - Suburban Chicago police shot a 95-year-old WWII veteran to death with bean bag rounds at short range because he refused to go to the hospital, his stepdaughter claims in court.
Sharon Mangerson, stepdaughter of the late John Wrana Jr., sued the Village of Park Forest on Friday, and its police Officers Clifford Butz, Michael Baugh, Craig Taylor, Lloyd Elliot, Charlie Hoskins and Mitch Greer in Federal Court.
"On July 26, 2014 [sic], John Wrana, Jr., was twelve days shy of his 96th birthday and a resident at the Victory Centre of Park Forest Assisted Living Center located in Park Forest, Illinois. On that date, Mr. Wrana was alone in his room, suffering from what the facility's staff believed were symptoms indicative of a urinary tract infection in an elderly person," the complaint begins.
Victory Center employees tried to get Wrana into an ambulance to go to the hospital for treatment, but he allegedly refused to leave his room.
The defendant officers responded to employees' 911 call, and also were unable to persuade Wrana to leave his room and go to the hospital.
The officers conferred and decided to seize Wrana by force, according to the complaint.
Upon entering the room, defendant Taylor fired "five rounds of bean bag cartridges from a 12 gauge shotgun within a distance of approximately only six to eight feet from Mr. Wrana, far less than the distance allowed for discharging that shotgun, and, consequently, savagely wounding and killing Mr. Wrana," the lawsuit states. "Mr. Wrana bled to death as a result of the shotgun wounds inflicted upon him by defendants. The Cook County Medical Examiner ruled that Mr. Wrana's death was a homicide caused by blunt force trauma to his abdomen as a result of shots fired from a bean bag shotgun."
The bean bag cartridges travel at approximately 190 miles an hour, and the manufacturer warns that "shots to the head, neck thorax, heart or spine can result in fatal injury," according to the complaint.
After shooting Wrana, the officers handcuffed him, took photos of his injuries, and put him in a four-point restraint before transporting him to the hospital, the complaint states.
"At all relevant times, Mr. Wrana was alone in his private residence and had committed no crime by refusing to be transported to the hospital. Defendants were without lawful authority to enter his residence, and there was no immediate lawful reason to implement any police action against Mr. Wrana, including the use of police tactical intervention," according to the complaint.
Park Forest officials told the Chicago Tribune claim that Wrana brandished a knife or cane, which justified the officers' response.
But Wrana's stepdaughter says that Wrana needed "a cane or a walker to stand up, support him, and to walk," and he could not have been a threat to the officers.
The estate seeks punitive damages for violation of due process, excessive force, unreasonable seizure, failure to train and supervise, conspiracy, wrongful death, assault and battery, and emotional distress.
The estate is represented by Nicholas Grapsas, of Inverness, Ill.
Park Forest, pop. 22,000, is south of Chicago

http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/06/23/68943.htm


I like how a group of cops can't handle a 96 year old with a cane and instead unload multiple bean bag rounds into him. Good shoot?
 

Oldgamer

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This is cruel beyond belief. In the video he even starts encouraging the dog to come to him, and when the dog does he sprays him and laughs.

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Link to Video

I am currently looking at investing in a car dash cam, and home surveillance because honestly the level of violence from local PD's in America toward it's citizens has gotten seriously out of hand. I see more and more people are doing the same these days.
 
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Jaskalas

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Apparently these stories are legion.

Is America violent due to our cops, or are our cops violent due to America?
You know... the chicken or the egg....
 

Oldgamer

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Washington Post Link

The American Civil Liberties Union has released the results of its year-long study of police militarization. The study looked at 800 deployments of SWAT teams among 20 local, state and federal police agencies in 2011-2012. Among the notable findings:

62 percent of the SWAT raids surveyed were to conduct searches for drugs.

Just under 80 percent were to serve a search warrant, meaning eight in 10 SWAT raids were not initiated to apprehend a school shooter, hostage taker, or escaped felon (the common justification for these tactics), but to investigate someone still only suspected of committing a crime.

In fact, just 7 percent of SWAT raids were “for hostage, barricade, or active shooter scenarios.”

In at least 36 percent of the SWAT raids studies, no contraband of any kind was found. The report notes that due to incomplete police reports on these raids this figure could be as high as 65 percent.

SWAT tactics are disproportionately used on people of color.

65 percent of SWAT deployments resulted in some sort of forced entry into a private home, by way of a battering ram, boot, or some sort of explosive device. In over half those raids, the police failed to find any sort of weapon, the presence of which was cited as the reason for the violent tactics.

Ironically (or perhaps not), searches to serve warrants on people suspected of drug crimes were more likely to result in forced entry than raids conducted for other purposes.

Though often justified for rare incidents like school shootings or terrorist situations, the armored personnel vehicles police departments are getting from the Pentagon and through grants from the Department of Homeland Security are commonly used on drug raids.

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In other words, where violent, volatile SWAT tactics were once used only in limited situations where someone was in the process of or about to commit a violent crime — where the police were using violence only to defuse an already violent situation — SWAT teams today are overwhelmingly used to investigate people who are still only suspected of committing nonviolent consensual crimes. And because these raids often involve forced entry into homes, often at night, they’re actually creating violence and confrontation where there was none before.

When SWAT teams are used in a way that’s consistent with their original purpose, they’re used carefully and cautiously. The ACLU report finds that, “In nearly every deployment involving a barricade, hostage, or active shooter, the SWAT report provided specific facts that gave the SWAT team reason to believe there was an armed and often dangerous suspect.” By contrast . . .

. . . incident reports for search warrant executions, especially in drug investigations, often contained no information about why the SWAT team was being sent in, other than to note that the warrant was “high risk,” or else provided otherwise unsubstantiated information such as “suspect is believed to be armed.” In case after case that the ACLU examined, when a SWAT team was deployed to search a person’s home for drugs, officers determined that a person was “likely to be armed” on the basis of suspected but unfounded gang affiliations, past weapons convictions, or some other factor that did not truly indicate a basis for believing that the person in question was likely to be armed at the moment of the SWAT deployment. Of course, a reasonable belief that weapons are present should not by itself justify a SWAT deployment. Given that almost half of American households have guns, use of a SWAT team could almost always be justified if this were the sole factor.

But we’ve already seen cases in which the mere factor that the resident of a home was a legal gun owner — in some cases by virtue of the fact that the owner had obtained some sort of state license — was used as an excuse to execute a full-on SWAT raid to serve a warrant for an otherwise nonviolent crime. Of the SWAT raids the ACLU studied in which police cited the possibility of finding a weapon in the home, they actually found a weapon just 35 percent of the time.

A 2004 CLASSIFIED MEMO ALL BUT CONFIRMS THE BLURRING OF THE LINES BETWEEN THE DRUG WAR AND THE U.S. MILITARY BY CALLING THE DRUG ENFORCEMENT AGENCY (DEA) THE “OTHER” WARFIGHTER AND STATING THAT THE WAR ON DRUGS “HAS ALL THE RISKS, EXCITEMENT, AND DANGERS OF CONVENTIONAL WARFARE.”

The report also finds almost no outside oversight on the use of SWAT tactics. This is consistent with my own research and reporting. The decision to send the SWAT team is often made by the SWAT commander or by fairly low-ranking officials within a police agency. Consequently, factors such as using the minimum amount of force necessary or the civil rights of the people who may be affected by the raid often aren’t taken into consideration. The ACLU, for example, found that although some police agencies in the survey were required to write after-action reports or present annual reports on the SWAT team, “internal reviews mostly pertain to proper weapons use and training and not to evaluating important civil rights implications of SWAT use.”

The report also makes important contributions on other aspects of militarization that will be familiar to people who follow this issue, including the effect that militarization can have on the mindset of police officers, and the role that federal anti-drug grants have played in boosting this trend.

Finally, the ACLU concedes that its report is necessarily incomplete, because “[d]ata collecting and reporting in the context of SWAT was at best sporadic and at worst virtually nonexistent.”

The ACLU filed public records requests with more than 255 law enforcement agencies during the course of this investigation. One hundred and fourteen of the agencies denied the ACLU’s request, either in full or in part. Even if the ACLU had received and examined responsive documents from all 255 law enforcement agencies that received public records requests, this would represent only a sliver of the more than 17,000 law enforcement agencies that exist throughout the United States, and thus would shine only a dim light on the extent of police militarization throughout the country.

This, too, is consistent with my own experience. Among the excuses police agencies gave the ACLU for not turning over records were that the requested information “contained trade secrets,” that turning over such information could affect the effectiveness of SWAT teams and that the information requested was too broad, would cost too much to produce or wasn’t subject to open-records law. In short, we have police departments that are increasingly using violent, confrontational tactics to break into private homes for increasingly low-level crimes, and they seem to believe that the public has no right to know the specifics of when, how and why those tactics are being used.

This report is a valuable contribution to the public debate over police militarization. In some ways, it merely confirms what Eastern Kentucky University criminologist Peter Kraska already documented in the late 1990s (and what I documented in my book last year). But Kraska’s last survey was in 2005, so this is an important new set of data conclusively demonstrating that the trends Kraska first documented nearly 20 years ago have only continued and have in some ways intensified. The most revealing part of the report, however, may be what isn’t in it. That is, that police agencies are using these tactics with increasing frequency but are doing so with sloppy and incomplete record-keeping, little heed for the safety and civil rights of the people on the receiving end of these raids and are troublingly reluctant to share any information about the tactics.

I’m sure that the report will generate lots of media coverage, just as Kraska’s studies did. The mass media seem to find renewed interest in this issue every five or six years. The problem, as the ACLU documents well, is that none of that coverage has generated any meaningful reform. And so the militarization continues. I’ll have more on the ACLU’s recommendations in a subsequent post. In the meantime, the ACLU has also released a series of videos with snippets of raid footage it obtained in its investigation. Here’s one of them:
Video footage
 

xBiffx

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I hope he goes back for dependency treatment gets the help he needs. His life has apparently taken an abrupt downhill slide.
 

Zebo

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Because cops are lying and charging a bunch of BS? If you let them get away with it, image what they do to a inmate thats not a famous news anchor. I'm guessing more ass whoppin more charges.
 

Jaskalas

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Wow... how does someone end up falling so low?

Did Foxnews get rid of him before his issues?
 

xBiffx

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Wow... how does someone end up falling so low?

Did Foxnews get rid of him before his issues?

They said he went on leave for personal reasons. I don't think he has been officially let go but that might be old news.
 

trenchfoot

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I hope FUX doesn't waste this opportunity to play the victim against the big bad NUTZI gov't that Obama created all by hizzelf.
 

justoh

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Well he clearly is drunk in the video..too bad for this anchor eh? He took drugs and alcohol and apparently had just come from a treatment center for dependency. Not sure why they are defending him honestly..lol

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZznU3HesgIQ&feature=youtu.be

I don't get it. Aren't you the guy who is constantly posting police misconduct videos? How is that not misconduct? Are they technically not police or something?
 

Oldgamer

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They said he went on leave for personal reasons. I don't think he has been officially let go but that might be old news.

Yea he took a leave of absence to go to a drug and alcohol treatment center. Apparently on his way back from it I believe is when the altercation with the police began, folks said he was loud and obnoxious and saw him taking drugs while drinking.
 

Oldgamer

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I don't get it. Aren't you the guy who is constantly posting police misconduct videos? How is that not misconduct? Are they technically not police or something?

I don't view this as police misconduct, this guy got arrested for being loud, obnoxious in an airport where witnesses say they saw him taking drugs and drinking alcohol. They said he was getting into with the police prior to the video.

I didn't see anything unusual in that video clip either, he was refusing the blood test.

Edit: eh, maybe I am just getting use to seeing so many of these vids, anyway I never liked this New Anchor..lol
 
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trenchfoot

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Wow, great minds think alike. Who is it that thinks like you again?

At times, I think it's you. ;)

edit - Besides, what I posted was just my lame attempt at inserting a little humor into the mix. My apologies to you if you were offended in any way. :)
 
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justoh

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I don't view this as police misconduct, this guy got arrested for being loud, obnoxious in an airport where witnesses say they saw him taking drugs and drinking alcohol. They said he was getting into with the police prior to the video.

I didn't see anything unusual in that video clip either, he was refusing the blood test.

Maybe you're seeing what you want to see? Why do you think the YT guy is defending him in this instance, notwithstanding his disdain for fox? Maybe one of you isn't being objective.
 

Oldgamer

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Maybe you're seeing what you want to see? Why do you think the YT guy is defending him in this instance, notwithstanding his disdain for fox? Maybe one of you isn't being objective.

Well you have a point. I admit I am biased and don't like the guy.
 

justoh

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Well you have a point. I admit I am biased and don't like the guy.

Problem is that they treat a lot of people like that, not just fox news assholes. All he did was give them a little verbal abuse, after taking off his shirt and otherwise complying, apart from standing up. Could have at least first asked him to sit down and then gently prodded him, before using reasonable force to restrain him, which that wasn't.
 

Oldgamer

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Problem is that they treat a lot of people like that, not just fox news assholes. All he did was give them a little verbal abuse, after taking off his shirt and otherwise complying, apart from standing up. Could have at least first asked him to sit down and then gently prodded him, before using reasonable force to restrain him, which that wasn't.


Do you think he would have cooperated? He didn't appear to me to want to cooperate. Sure he started taking off his jacket but then stands up and doesn't allow the officer to cuff him and wasn't very compliant.
 

justoh

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Do you think he would have cooperated? He didn't appear to me to want to cooperate. Sure he started taking off his jacket but then stands up and doesn't allow the officer to cuff him and wasn't very compliant.

Do you think that weimaraner would have harmed that police officer? After all, he was pretty rambunctious and completely unreasonable, being a dog. Probably best to shoot all dogs just in case, or use unnecessary force on every person who makes some token sign of drunken, harmless "resistance," because they apparently can. Few sensible people around.
 

NoCreativity

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What the OP has shown me is that police misconduct is bad, except in cases where it's against a suspect with different political/social views than me in which case it is perfectly acceptable. Especially if said suspect "looks like he won't cooperate".