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Originally posted by: Farang
Sounds like Byrd croaked
or maybe it was Kennedy.. Obama is more accurate in reporting than NBC News
Kennedy
Originally posted by: Farang
Sounds like Byrd croaked
or maybe it was Kennedy.. Obama is more accurate in reporting than NBC News
Originally posted by: ayabe
I believe this is the first time I can recall, especially in any kind of public address where a politician acknowledges the sizable minority of people in this country who don't believe in fairy tales.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Yeah, THAT's sure a problem America has. Rampant anti-Christian bigotry.
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
And non-believers are? LOL. Hopefully his religious beliefs will tone down the anti-Christian bigotry for a little while.Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Are you saying that our new President believes in fairy tales?Originally posted by: ayabe
This is the most important line in the speech for me:
"For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers."
I believe this is the first time I can recall, especially in any kind of public address where a politician acknowledges the sizable minority of people in this country who don't believe in fairy tales.
Well according to most Atheists most Christians do and Obama is a Christian.
He's good, but he ain't perfect.
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Does the same go for the Lunatic Fringe Liberals who want a say in the way the government's run? Free country to believe what you want to believe last time I checked. No?Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It should as the Lunatic Fringe Evangelicals won't have any say in the way the government's run.Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
And non-believers are? LOL. Hopefully his religious beliefs will tone down the anti-Christian bigotry for a little while.Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Are you saying that our new President believes in fairy tales?Originally posted by: ayabe
This is the most important line in the speech for me:
"For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers."
I believe this is the first time I can recall, especially in any kind of public address where a politician acknowledges the sizable minority of people in this country who don't believe in fairy tales.
Well according to most Atheists most Christians do and Obama is a Christian.
He's good, but he ain't perfect.
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: winnar111
And Obama's daughter has a huge forehead.
You have no class and are less mature than one of his children. Congrats on being totally bankrupt.
Just an observation.
Much like "Jenna Bush is a clumsy drunk."
Just because it is a fact doesn't make it insulting.
Agree...I was just making a point.Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
And non-believers are? LOL. Hopefully his religious beliefs will tone down the anti-Christian bigotry for a little while.Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Are you saying that our new President believes in fairy tales?Originally posted by: ayabe
This is the most important line in the speech for me:
"For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers."
I believe this is the first time I can recall, especially in any kind of public address where a politician acknowledges the sizable minority of people in this country who don't believe in fairy tales.
Well according to most Atheists most Christians do and Obama is a Christian.
He's good, but he ain't perfect.
I didn't say that was. We all have our faults.
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Farang
Sounds like Byrd croaked
or maybe it was Kennedy.. Obama is more accurate in reporting than NBC News
Kennedy
Agree...damn that's twice now. But many don't know the difference between Lunatic Fringe Evangelical and mainstream evangelical...especially in this forum.Originally posted by: sandorski
The Lunatic Fringe is the Lunatic Fringe. Just because the Evangelical part is bigger, doesn't mean it's preferable.
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: ayabe
I believe this is the first time I can recall, especially in any kind of public address where a politician acknowledges the sizable minority of people in this country who don't believe in fairy tales.
Then your recollection sucks, or you're just ignorant of such previous moments.
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Agree...damn that's twice now. But many don't know the difference between Lunatic Fringe Evangelical and mainstream evangelical...especially in this forum.Originally posted by: sandorski
The Lunatic Fringe is the Lunatic Fringe. Just because the Evangelical part is bigger, doesn't mean it's preferable.
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The invocation by the Saddleback church guy was DISGUSTING and a disgrace.
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The invocation by the Saddleback church guy was DISGUSTING and a disgrace.
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: ayabe
I believe this is the first time I can recall, especially in any kind of public address where a politician acknowledges the sizable minority of people in this country who don't believe in fairy tales.
Then your recollection sucks, or you're just ignorant of such previous moments.
Got some?
I'll give you 15 minutes to give me something from the last 20 years....good luck.
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: ayabe
I believe this is the first time I can recall, especially in any kind of public address where a politician acknowledges the sizable minority of people in this country who don't believe in fairy tales.
Then your recollection sucks, or you're just ignorant of such previous moments.
Got some?
I'll give you 15 minutes to give me something from the last 20 years....good luck.
Oh, please let me go find something quick then.
Just look outside the two major parties. I am 100% positive I heard both Paul and Baldwin address non-believers in speeches.
But really, you don't need to go that far. The US DoI, second sentence...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Whatever you religious beliefs, or lack there of, the word "creator" suits all.
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The invocation by the Saddleback church guy was DISGUSTING and a disgrace.
If you're not being sarcastic, why?
Agreed.Originally posted by: Ryan
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The invocation by the Saddleback church guy was DISGUSTING and a disgrace.
If you're not being sarcastic, why?
Because many believe that religion has no place in politics or government - why is that concept so hard to understand? The man praying does not speak for all Americans, his god is not the god of many people in this country. While I agree in sentiment over wanting the best for my country, and for our continued prosperity and strength through these troubling times, I find the invocation of the Christian God and Jesus Christ to be absolutely ridiculous.
I have no problem with people expressing their personal beliefs on religion, or even Obama vowing "So Help me God" with the oath, I would expect anyone of conviction to do so. But the presentation of Warren, or any other pastor/minister, feels like it crosses the line and is on the verge of government endorsement in my opinion.
I applaud Obama's acknowledgment the we are a nation of many viewpoints, religious and non believers.
LOL..evangelicals are a very large portion of the general population and I'm sure they don't view themselves as "Lunaticish"...especially with President Obama being one. Atheists will just have to learn to cope somehow with all those mainstream "radicals" out there who happen to believe in such outlandish things such as God. Obama made a point at the end of his inauguration pledge by voluntarily saying "So help me God"...and this shouldn't be a problem with anybody that's a reasonably tolerant human being. I would say that those who have a problem with Obama's reference to God are the "radicals" and "Lunaticish" ones.Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Agree...damn that's twice now. But many don't know the difference between Lunatic Fringe Evangelical and mainstream evangelical...especially in this forum.Originally posted by: sandorski
The Lunatic Fringe is the Lunatic Fringe. Just because the Evangelical part is bigger, doesn't mean it's preferable.
Well, I think the problem there is that even the Mainstream Evangelicals appear rather Lunaticish to the general population. They certainly are more Radical.
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The invocation by the Saddleback church guy was DISGUSTING and a disgrace.
If you're not being sarcastic, why?