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Squisher

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vi edit said:
That's the really odd thing for me too. He does seem like a well spoke, intelligent guy off the field and in interviews. He doesn't appear to be a thug like many others do (Hall, Finnigan, Pacman Jones, Benson, ect). But then he just turns into a raging, dirty SOB once he puts that helmet on.
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And, the more I reflect on it I wonder if because he is not aggressive by nature if he has to put himself into a blind rage to play. Well, if he has to sit on the sidelines he might have to modify his method acting.

Being a Detroiter who listens to sports talk radio a lot, I get to hear all the interviews, Suh plays it very close to the vest, aware of how the answers he gives can blow up in his face. He won't reveal a lot of what I would call insignificant details of his private life like what kind of food he likes, what he likes to do on off days, etc. So, it also makes me wonder if this notion of an out of control dirty SOB might be a persona he is trying to cultivate.

What ever it is, he's not going to be helping the team sitting on the sidelines.
 
MotionMan

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Has anyone found video of the Suh play from the reverse side? He seems to claim that the Packer was holding him in some way, so that is why he pushed his head (three times). I cannot see enough detail from the angle they showed on TV.

MotionMan
 
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Has anyone found video of the Suh play from the reverse side? He seems to claim that the Packer was holding him in some way, so that is why he pushed his head (three times). I cannot see enough detail from the angle they showed on TV.

MotionMan
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Not sure about online video but on TV the GB guy did kind of twist him around and tackle him to the ground, bending him over backwards. Then, Suh got up and did the helmet pounding and stomping in retaliation.

I would suspect maybe 2 games missed because Fat Albert got 5 games for his stomp.
 
Arkaign

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MotionMan said:
Has anyone found video of the Suh play from the reverse side? He seems to claim that the Packer was holding him in some way, so that is why he pushed his head (three times). I cannot see enough detail from the angle they showed on TV.

MotionMan
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You can see the way he fell, the GB guy had his arm around Suh as they were falling, which was kind of impossible to avoid. You can see it pretty clearly in this video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXDmCVSnn1U

It certainly was no reason to keep bouncing his head on the turf, then get up on stomp him, ridiculous.
 
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manly

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Sentrosi2121, did you really just say the Lions on paper stack up well with the defending SB champs on a 17-game winning streak?

vi edit, I would never condone dirty play but part of a football player's job is to play at the edge of safety.

MotionMan said:
Has anyone found video of the Suh play from the reverse side? He seems to claim that the Packer was holding him in some way, so that is why he pushed his head (three times). I cannot see enough detail from the angle they showed on TV.

MotionMan
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He didn't get ejected for the helmet shoving, he got tossed for stomping on a guy. Suh was probably lobbying against a game suspension, but his words carry no weight against the video evidence.
 
MotionMan

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Arkaign said:
You can see the way he fell, the GB guy had his arm around Suh as they were falling, which was kind of impossible to avoid. You can see it pretty clearly in this video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXDmCVSnn1U

It certainly was no reason to keep bouncing his head on the turf, then get up on stomp him, ridiculous.
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I can see that Suh's right arm is free and his left arm is being used to push the helmet.

I am wondering if the Packer has his leg wrapped up (as Suh claimed in his post-game interview). I think not, but I need to see from the other side to be sure.

MotionMan
 
vi edit

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manly said:
vi edit, I would never condone dirty play but part of a football player's job is to play at the edge of safety.
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I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. "The edge of saftey" doesn't mean ripping peoples helmets off. Shoving heads into the ground. And kicking people. It's one thing to be half a step late in hitting a QB and pulling a roughing the passer. It's something entirely different to do the repeat offenses that Suh has been doing.
 
Squisher

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manly said:
Sentrosi2121, did you really just say the Lions on paper stack up well with the defending SB champs on a 17-game winning streak?
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I think the Lions biggest Achilles heel is their secondary. When Delmas and then I think it was Houston went down you saw the real drop off in talent. Rogers picked them apart after that. Until then I thought they stacked up well. The Lions couldn't afford to go after grade A free agents as far as their secondary goes so they were stuck with a mediocre secondary.

Another thing that too many want to ignore is that Stafford has a little over a season of games under his belt. Yeah, he might be the most well read 3rd year QB but when it comes to game experience he might as well be a rookie.
 
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vi edit said:
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. "The edge of saftey" doesn't mean ripping peoples helmets off. Shoving heads into the ground. And kicking people. It's one thing to be half a step late in hitting a QB and pulling a roughing the passer. It's something entirely different to do the repeat offenses that Suh has been doing.
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you're right, it means none of those things. But when I watch a Ray Lewis pursuing the ball, I know he's going to hit the RB hard under the rules of the game. I don't condone anything Suh has done to draw fines and I've never played competitive football, but I don't think players can always control aggression as well as you believe. A lot of defenders speak candidly about knocking an opponent out of the game; yes the implication is legally but it's still a primitive, maybe even savage instinct.

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I think the Lions biggest Achilles heel is their secondary. When Delmas and then I think it was Houston went down you saw the real drop off in talent. Rogers picked them apart after that. Until then I thought they stacked up well. The Lions couldn't afford to go after grade A free agents as far as their secondary goes so they were stuck with a mediocre secondary.

Another thing that too many want to ignore is that Stafford has a little over a season of games under his belt. Yeah, he might be the most well read 3rd year QB but when it comes to game experience he might as well be a rookie.
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I'll be the first to admit the Lions dominated the first half and I worry if they've given other contenders the blueprint to beat the Packers. But even after witnessing that half, I wouldn't be so bold as to say the Lions stack up well on paper with an organization that is being called the most well run today. Then again, I haven't gone down the Lions roster position by position so perhaps I just don't know how much talent they have.
 
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I hope the chargers don't go for a 6 game losing streak. Something tells me tebow will have an awesome game. Tebow 4 for 20 3 TD's, 57 yards passing 50 yards rushing
 
umbrella39

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a123456 said:
Not sure about online video but on TV the GB guy did kind of twist him around and tackle him to the ground, bending him over backwards. Then, Suh got up and did the helmet pounding and stomping in retaliation.

I would suspect maybe 2 games missed because Fat Albert got 5 games for his stomp.
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This pretty much. I've watched the replay a few times now and Suh was pulled down and it looks like both his knees would have been flexed pretty hard during that time. He got pissed and dealt with it not only the wrong way, but in a way that costs his team pretty much any momentum they had been building up by stopping them on 3rd and goal. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
 
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What Suh doesn't understand is that the players will police his dirty shit themselves and because of his rep he'll be the one to get in trouble when he fights back.

Personally, I don't even see why he's so highly regarded. So what if he throws QBs around, from what I've seen he gets steamrolled for most games by anyone with more than a middling line. With his behavior he should be thankful he doesn't get more cheap shots. Probably because teams don't even have to load up and wash him out to take him out of plays otherwise he'd probably be in a fight every two seconds because he can't handle being shoved around.
 
umbrella39

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? If you don't see why he is so highly regarded perhaps watch some film of him dominating OL. He is already one of the top 3 DT playing and he has only played a little over 20 NFL games... WHILE the play is going... He really needs to figure out that when the whistle blows the GD play is over. The only thing wrong with his game his HIM.
 
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Soccerman06

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Wait a second, shouldnt mn been able to run that ball back for a td since it hit a falcon or am I missing a rule which says the play is over once the kicking team gets the ball back?
 
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