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Poulsonator said:
Pull some random dude out of the stands and put him at QB, and the 49ers win in regulation, even with Williams's spectacular punt dance.

The happiest person on the 49ers is Alex Smith, because Kyle Williams is taking all the blame.
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Doubt it, Alex Smith still threw for 2 touchdowns. Eli Manning could barely put together any drives either, but thanks to Kyle Williams, he's the hero.
 
Poulsonator said:
The guy was extra-special, no doubt, but Alex Smith is the worst QB in football. All he had to do was get possibly the best field goal kicker in football within kicking distance during any of those atrocious drives, and the 'Niners win in regulation.

It was most certainly a tag-team effort between Kyle Williams and Smith.
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Eli couldn't move the ball either so I guess he is also worst QB in football? Retarded.
 
IAteYourMother said:
Doubt it, Alex Smith still threw for 2 touchdowns. Eli Manning could barely put together any drives either, but thanks to Kyle Williams, he's the hero.
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Exactly. Towards the end there neither offense could do anything. I think the giants were maybe at least getting a first down before having to punt but neither team could get anywhere.

I don't think you can honestly blame the whole loss on Williams though. I mean, that fuck up put them in a position to lose but it had become a battle of who can make the fewest mistakes. Imagine how things would have played out if those two 49ers didn't ram each other over and one had grabbed that easy interception?
 
Poulsonator said:
Eli went 32/58 for 316 yards. That's not moving the ball? The San Fran D did its job.
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If you have to throw the ball 60 times to break 300 yards, you're not moving the ball all that effectively. Of course, the real argument for Eli not moving the ball is comparing the 2nd half+OT versus the 1st half of the game, when the 49ers finally wised up and doubled Cruz.
 
My whole point is that it was a team effort for San Fran to lose that game. Kyle Williams certainly did his part, but the San Fran offense was beyond putrid. The defense, while the best part of their game on Sunday, was more concerned about laying hits than making plays (letting Eli off the hook numerous times by not intercepting numerous balls).

Eli has the biggest horseshoe up his ass, though, which concerns me for the Super Bowl.
 
Via said:
Why was he even within 10 feet of that punt?
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A lot of teams stick players on special teams if they're not good enough to make it on offense or defense. Also, there are a lot of factors that the return guy has to consider in just a few seconds when deciding whether he's going to try to return it, fair catch it, or let it go.

In the regular season I watched the Vikings' rookie return guy call for a fair catch inside the 5 yard line, and he did that twice. One of them led to a safety. There was another guy who caught a punt at the 1 yard line and decided to run it back, and got a touchdown. That was nice but most punt returners would just let it go for a touchback.

These were dumb mistakes. Well, the knee one at least (fumbles are bad too but not 100% the ball carrier's fault). The sad part is he'll probably never get another opportunity to field a punt, but after what happened you can guarantee he won't make that mistake again.
 
Poulsonator said:
My whole point is that it was a team effort for San Fran to lose that game. Kyle Williams certainly did his part, but the San Fran offense was beyond putrid. The defense, while the best part of their game on Sunday, was more concerned about laying hits than making plays (letting Eli off the hook numerous times by not intercepting numerous balls).

Eli has the biggest horseshoe up his ass, though, which concerns me for the Super Bowl.
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Part of it is that the Giants have a good defense, which I had to hear about all week leading up to the game. San Fran's offense did enough to win the game, and the defense absolutely balled out. Did you watch the game??? The defense couldn't get INTs because multiple defenders went for the ball, not because they were trying to go for hits. Giants WRs went straight to the turf to avoid getting hit.

I mean yes, the offense is the weakest link, but if the 49ers had a good offense, then they'd probably win the super bowl and be undefeated and ranked as one of the greatest teams of all time. The team minus Kyle Williams played well enough to win against a good team. Yes, every loss is a team loss and they could've played better, but if you're assigning percentages here, Kyle Williams gets a plurality of the vote, if not a majority, for who lost San Fran the game.
 
Poulsonator said:
My whole point is that it was a team effort for San Fran to lose that game. Kyle Williams certainly did his part, but the San Fran offense was beyond putrid. The defense, while the best part of their game on Sunday, was more concerned about laying hits than making plays (letting Eli off the hook numerous times by not intercepting numerous balls).

Eli has the biggest horseshoe up his ass, though, which concerns me for the Super Bowl.
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Both offenses had 288 total yards with ~5 mins to go. Also, as has been pointed out already, the defenders were going for the ball, not hits. Both times.
 
Udgnim said:
rewatching the play

the fumble happened before the whistle, but given the extremely short time between fumble and whistle, it's obvious the intent of the referees was to whistle the play dead before the fumble actually happened
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This. The ball is dead when an official decides his forward progress has stopped; you can't expect the whistle to be instantaneous.

And I don't think it was unreasonable to rule that forward progress had stopped. He was hit by three consecutive 49ers players, hadn't made any forward progress after the first one hit him, the other two had him restrained, and he was moving backward. More 49ers players were converging on him, and a dangerous situation was imminent.
 
PingSpike said:
Exactly. Towards the end there neither offense could do anything. I think the giants were maybe at least getting a first down before having to punt but neither team could get anywhere.

I don't think you can honestly blame the whole loss on Williams though. I mean, that fuck up put them in a position to lose but it had become a battle of who can make the fewest mistakes. Imagine how things would have played out if those two 49ers didn't ram each other over and one had grabbed that easy interception?
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Both the tying score and GW score are directly attributable to the punt returner. He may not deserve sole blame (considering that special teams is but one aspect of play) but the lion's share is not unfair. Even before he knee'd the ball, he goofed on the previous punt return. No defender was bearing down on him and he called for a fair catch. I know that was minor in the grand scheme of things, but 3 straight bad punt returns very much cost SF the game. And I was rooting against the 49ers.
 
Hahahaha...

Ravens are really but hurt....

Pollard saying that they can't believe that they lost to "that" team and that if they went to overtime, they would have won.

Then you having some guy on the kicking squad saying that the Pats messed with the downs on the score board, which is why Belichick did not call a timeout. OK, that still does not explain why your kicker missed the FG.

Really, get over it fellas. Yeah, losing sucks, but it happens. Just watch the superbowl like the other teams will being doing in the off season.
 
Gibson486 said:
Hahahaha...

Ravens are really but hurt....

Pollard saying that they can't believe that they lost to "that" team and that if they went to overtime, they would have won.

Then you having some guy on the kicking squad saying that the Pats messed with the downs on the score board, which is why Belichick did not call a timeout. OK, that still does not explain why your kicker missed the FG.

Really, get over it fellas. Yeah, losing sucks, but it happens. Just watch the superbowl like the other teams will being doing in the off season.
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Interesting post Gibson. I'm a long time Steeler fan (nearly 61 and remember when they always died at the end of the season). Pollard is angry and I can understand, but show some class. "That" team? New England was what? 14-2 and the home team. What do you expect? When the Steelers beat NE this year, it was the only time we were healthy all year, we played in Pittsburgh and we had Brady's number that day. That rarely happens. Baltimore is very tough and Joe Flacco played an excellent game but to insinuate that NE's win was a fluke is BS. Their record and history shows why they are where they are.

As to the Giants, hot teams in the playoffs generally do well. Plus the Giants are solid.

As a Steeler fan I admit that our last SB win was more a hot team than the "best" team. As to the controversy about Eli Manning, face it he's good and has learned how to manage a game and not get rattled.

I'm excited about this SuperBowl a great matchup.

As to the Steelers? Too many injuries, a number of retiring players and a weak offensive line could spell serious trouble for 2012.
 
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