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Official NBA Playoffs Thread (Predictions Welcome!)

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dougp said:
Not many people could have done much with that team - I'm not disagreeing with you that there was a disconnect between Brown and the players, I'm just saying that he's not as bad as you're making him out to be. The question would be if this was done to keep LeBron in Cleveland, or if Cleveland is gearing up to rebuild.
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i respectfully disagree.
a good coach with control of his players and a good game plan would've taken this team all the way.
they have 3 all stars and 1 former all star that still commands double teams in the paint. he has sharp shooters (parker/gibson) and size (JJ/Z). this team has all the pieces to win a championship but they weren't given a good roadmap on how to get there.
did he even use Z? why resign him if he wasn't going to be used? were there any plays for jamison?

brown's play of 'lets give it to lebron and let him try to blow past a triple team or kick out to an open shooter' can only work so many times in the playoffs.
this isn't EA Sports NBA Live 2010. a superior coaching staff will counter that 3 days before game 1.

and don't think for a moment that the GM doesn't confer with the coach when it comes to making picks/trades/etc.
brown probably has more say in who he wants on his team than the owner and GM do so the blame lies on him for selecting this bunch of misfits.
 
All I'm saying is that he was a 20-22 PPG in his last 3 years at Seattle and had half a dozen or more games each year when he'd go off for 30 points or more. There's just a lot more shot happy hands on the floor in Orlando with SVG's "3 point or die" offense.
 
dougp said:
Not many people could have done much with that team - I'm not disagreeing with you that there was a disconnect between Brown and the players, I'm just saying that he's not as bad as you're making him out to be. The question would be if this was done to keep LeBron in Cleveland, or if Cleveland is gearing up to rebuild.
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Mike Brown was out-coached by the Celtics players.

Brown made few in-game adjustments in the Celtics series, the Cavs ran very few set plays outside of the occasional in-bounds play and the always popular "give LeBron the ball". Brown may be one of those guys who's better at building up a young team than taking a team to the championship level.
 
When I saw the final minute of the celtics-cavs game, I wasn't sure how brown was coming back next season. The whole team just quit on him.
 
BlahBlahYouToo said:
they have 3 all stars and 1 former all star that still commands double teams in the paint.
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I fail to see three perennial all-stars on this team, I see one. There needs to be a second perennial all-star. Shaq was gifted his last all-star game appearance, he is not an all-star right now. Z is so worthless that they traded him. Moe is so inconsistent it is ridiculous. Jamison was a bad pickup for this team in general. These are all role players, nothing more.

He does not have a solid #2 on his team to help him with the load. He needs to get out of Cleveland and go to a team where a solid #2 will be OR another #1 that he can coexist with.
 
Adrenaline said:
I fail to see three perennial all-stars on this team, I see one. There needs to be a second perennial all-star. Shaq was gifted his last all-star game appearance, he is not an all-star right now. Z is so worthless that they traded him. Moe is so inconsistent it is ridiculous. Jamison was a bad pickup for this team in general. These are all role players, nothing more.

He does not have a solid #2 on his team to help him with the load. He needs to get out of Cleveland and go to a team where a solid #2 will be OR another #1 that he can coexist with.
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Going on that line with the #2, who is it for Dwight Howard? A lot of people here give Rashard Lewis shit for being paid so much, but isn't he supposed to be the #2? I think with the offensive scheme that magic has, its very hard to develop a #2
 
cheezy321 said:
Going on that line with the #2, who is it for Dwight Howard? A lot of people here give Rashard Lewis shit for being paid so much, but isn't he supposed to be the #2? I think with the offensive scheme that magic has, its very hard to develop a #2
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Rashard was supposed to be the #2, but he is more like a 2.5. He lacks a little bit but is not there right now. Carter is about the same. Jameer is getting better and better. Jameer was an all-star last year but not this year. He is almost there, but not yet. Since Orlando does not have a solid #2, they are not gong to win a championship. You need two very good, solid players to win one. Very very very rarely does a team win a championship without two really good players. Multiple championships won't happen without two.

Lewis got the contract he did because there wasn't much out there and if you want to upgrade you have to pay.
 
vi edit said:
All I'm saying is that he was a 20-22 PPG in his last 3 years at Seattle and had half a dozen or more games each year when he'd go off for 30 points or more. There's just a lot more shot happy hands on the floor in Orlando with SVG's "3 point or die" offense.
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richard jefferson and kmart were 20 ppg players as well when they were on the nets, ONLY because they had jason kidd.
what are they now? role players and that's what rashard is.

i didn't watch the sonics back then i'm willing to bet most of lewis 20 ppg were because of dribble penetration from someone on his team which left him open for 3's.
and that's where the problem is.
$20M players are basically max contract players, like kobe/lebron/wade/melo/duncan/dirk.
now what do these guys have in common besides the obvious?
1. they can create offense on their own
2. because of 1, they command double teams.

these are the guys that create open looks for lesser teammates, you know... guys like rashard.
 
Players more overpaid than Rashard Lewis:
1.Tracy McGrady
2. Shaquille O'Neal
3. Vince Carter
4. Yao Ming (For the last ~2 years)
5. Zach Randolph
 
Adrenaline said:
I fail to see three perennial all-stars on this team, I see one. There needs to be a second perennial all-star. Shaq was gifted his last all-star game appearance, he is not an all-star right now. Z is so worthless that they traded him. Moe is so inconsistent it is ridiculous. Jamison was a bad pickup for this team in general. These are all role players, nothing more.

He does not have a solid #2 on his team to help him with the load. He needs to get out of Cleveland and go to a team where a solid #2 will be OR another #1 that he can coexist with.
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oh please, who do the celtics have? you want to start tiering all stars? they don't even have 1 "perennial" all star, let alone two.
they have 4 all star caliber players but they won because they were a more cohesive unit. and how does that happen? GOOD COACHING.
 
cheezy321 said:
Players more overpaid than Rashard Lewis:
1.Tracy McGrady
2. Shaquille O'Neal
3. Vince Carter
4. Yao Ming (For the last ~2 years)
5. Zach Randolph
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you must be joking.

1. obviously injured. if he were in the form he was in when he signed the contract, he's earning his. maybe slightly overpaid.
2. overpaid but not as much as rashard. at the very least, he's a presence in the middle, and can offer rebounding and get the other centers in foul trouble.
3. rashard is making $2M more than vince and has contributed far less than vince.
4. serious??
5. disagree completely. he may not be worth that much, but he's a difference maker on his team unlike rashard. definitely not as overpaid as rashard.
 
BlahBlahYouToo said:
oh please, who do the celtics have? you want to start tiering all stars? they don't even have 1 "perennial" all star, let alone two.
they have 4 all star caliber players but they won because they were a more cohesive unit. and how does that happen? GOOD COACHING.
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Pierce, Allen and Garnett made the All-Star team 2008 and 2009.
Garnett, Pierce and Rondo in 2010.

Three players each year have made the all-star team. That says something about their team. Yeah, so try again.
 
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BlahBlahYouToo said:
lebron, jamison, mo, and shaq.
you try again.

edit: and since you like being a lil bitch, Z was a 2 time all star as well.
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I already explained Jamison (2005 and 2008), Mo (2009), Shaq (1993-1998, 2000-2007, 2009) and Z (2003 and 2005). Try again.

Still no solid #2 player at all.

Nice maturity in your post.
 
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Ballatician said:
Wish I knew. David Stern?
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I just don't see it. Not that I don't think that games in previous years haven't been influenced by Stern, but this year the playoffs have been pretty bad for the NBA. Short series, the 2 most marketable young stars - LBJ & Dwight Howard - underperforming, the longest series (Hawks-Bucks) a ratings disaster... Stern can't be happy about that. Also, I can't remember a postseason where there's been less whining about the refs' calls.
 
Adrenaline said:
I already explained Jamison (2005 and 2008), Mo (2009), Shaq (1993-1998, 2000-2007, 2009) and Z (2003 and 2005). Try again.

Still no solid #2 player at all.

Nice maturity in your post.
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who's the "perenial" all star on the celts?
i see the verbiage has now changed to "solid #2", LMAO.

i sensed the condescending tone in your "try again" post which led to my bitching at you.
 
BlahBlahYouToo said:
who's the "perenial" all star on the celts? i see the verbiage has now changed to "solid #2", LMAO.
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I don't know who I'm really helping argue...

But Ray Allen has been in 9 of the last 10 years
Garnet has been there every year since 1997 with one exception in '99
Pierce has been there 8 out of 10 of the last years
 
The real Magic decided to show up for the first half. Hopefully they can keep the ball moving up the floor quickly because that's the Celtics' Achilles heel.
 
BlahBlahYouToo said:
who's the "perenial" all star on the celts?
i see the verbiage has now changed to "solid #2", LMAO.

i sensed the condescending tone in your "try again" post which led to my bitching at you.
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I said solid #2 (would be an all-star caliber player or close to it) earlier and you even replied to it. The try again was not intended to be condescending, it was a please have another go and try to prove me wrong.

Someone else pointed out the "perennial" all-stars on the Celtics.
 
Never in a million years would I have thought Redick would be a better nba player than Adam Morrison. To his credit tho, he's really worked his @ss off to become more effective with the nba speed of the game.
 
BlahBlahYouToo said:
you must be joking.

1. obviously injured. if he were in the form he was in when he signed the contract, he's earning his. maybe slightly overpaid.
2. overpaid but not as much as rashard. at the very least, he's a presence in the middle, and can offer rebounding and get the other centers in foul trouble.
3. rashard is making $2M more than vince and has contributed far less than vince.
4. serious??
5. disagree completely. he may not be worth that much, but he's a difference maker on his team unlike rashard. definitely not as overpaid as rashard.
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Give me a break. The Magic are in the NBA Eastern Conference finals for the 09-10 season. They made it to the NBA finals in 2008-2009. In 2007 - 2008, the Magic lost in round 1 of the playoffs. Guess who was on the team all of those seasons? DING DING! Rashard Lewis.

So, who out of the people I named have done that much? I am counting both the regular and post season.

1. He has been injured and is therefore worthless to a team. I dont see how you cannot agree with me that T-Mac has been a curse to any team he has been on since 2007. 1 first round playoff loss and 1 first round playoff win.
2. Hogged the ball in Phoenix to pad his own stats and was entirely ineffective in the playoffs this year. He was decent in 2006 but that championship was the biggest travesty in the history of the NBA.
3. Rashard is still #2 in Orlando. Vince is #3. He is overpaid for what he does.
4. INJURIES! The guy has been utterly useless for the past 3 years! This guy has not reached his potential for 1 ENTIRE season.
5. This guy is a hot head and is not the leader of any team. He will never lead a team to a championship, much less be on a team that can make their conference finals. Conclusion: OVERPAID
 
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