*** OFFICIAL MATRIX RELOADED AFTERMATH THREAD *** spoilers

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i wonder if the number of people who survived from zion was the same number the architect mentioned?

i think they're still stuck in the matrix

zion hadn't been destroyed it was the counterattack that was wiped out, thats why the machines kept on digging. because they hadn't yet reached zion

I don't understand what you mean. Sounds like you're contradicting yourself with those two comments.

They sent a group to intercept the machines at the junction. That group was wiped out (save for Smith), & the machines continued on towards Zion.

Not that hard, really.

Viper GTS

So "easy" you missed my question.

How could people survive from Zion if it hasn't been attacked yet? (according to ElFenix )

They weren't referring to survivors from Zion.

Viper GTS

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

So "easy" you missed my question.

How could people survive from Zion if it hasn't been attacked yet? (according to ElFenix )

you know how at the beginning of the movie you saw trinity ride the bike into the control station and then dive out the window followed by the agent? and then that same thing happened in the end? its kinda like that

 

[0roo0roo]

my showing at winchester century was funny we played audience beach volley ball lol some guy brought a big beach ball and started tossing it around the audience. was hella funny, the whole audience booed when the ball bounced past all the seats and someone had to retrieve it. some dickhead tried to deflate it when he got his hands on it but got booed so much i think he thought his life was in danger then some blonde chick totally f*cked up trying to launch the ball and got laughed at and this was in a very very large theater hehe


yea, revolutions blew my mind a little. i'm happy i didn't read time. apparently the spoilers were really REALLY bad. damn that writer at time, damn him to hell. he had no business printing that 2 weeks early.

*places hex on time writer*

i gotta watch the rest of the animatrix now the flight of the osiris obviously ties in with the letter, the boy at the start i think ties in with another one from what i've heard too

 

[Marauder-]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
Yep, just got back from a 10:30 showing, and man was that intense. It really didn't hit me quite as hard as I had hoped, but it was still a really good movie. I can't wait to see how everything plays out...and I'm pissed that we didn't say through the credits. doh! Guess I'll do that the next time I see it.

But as for Neo's coma, I think he did indeed develop abilities outside of the Matrix and in the "real world", since an EMP should've had the same effect on the sentinals as in the first movie, which it didn't, it looked much more it was due to him. And for a ship to release an EMP, it has to have all electrical systems offline (like the first one), and they were too close to the Nebuchadnezzar ...they would've known one another were there, I think.

So much to say... I'm gonna sit and ponder for a bit.

YEah - he's definitely developed powers outside b/c he's had a realization that it's not the real world afterall. So he still has powers in the 2nd matrix. Hey about that being the only time he'll see the matrix again, is that some sort of link to Jesus dying once and then being reborn to come back to earth?

 

[Chubbz]

JUST TO CLEAR THIS UP IF NO ONE ELSE HAS:

THAT MOUSE-LOOK ALIKE is explained in the Animatrix. The segment is called Kid's Story. If you want to see what the hell that was about, GO Buy That DVD, FRICKING AMAZING.

The Osiris is explained too.

 

[Marauder-]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Like explaining temporal theory in Star Trek, some things got confusing: 6 Neos had visited the Architect before but each reacted differently? Everything, Architect, Oracle, Agents, Police, Keymaster, is a software program, yet they are bound (except the Twins which are something else) by walls, doors, etc?

As for the references to the Bible, I noticed those too.

the french guy's whole staff was werewolves and vampires and (for the twins) ghosts. they were still bound by the rules put in place upon them. but since they were ghosts they were able to go through walls. thats why the one she shot needed a silver bullet.

Good Analysis - man I love analyzing this stuff!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Chubbz
JUST TO CLEAR THIS UP IF NO ONE ELSE HAS:

THAT MOUSE-LOOK ALIKE is explained in the Animatrix. The segment is called Kid's Story. If you want to see what the hell that was about, GO Buy That DVD, FRICKING AMAZING.

The Osiris is explained too.

i thought animatrix comes out in june?

 

[EdipisReks]

disappointing movie. i could really have done without the rave.

 

[0roo0roo]

hmm i did'nt think the burly brawl sequence looked fake, it looked pretty decent to me. neos face always looks kinda cg, hell all their faces are like that cuz of the shades. esp with pale skin.

the bad cg was when he went flying up above the clouds and gets a moving semi closeup.

and i think they said they have 24? hours b4 they get wiped? so no, zion hasnt' been attacked

 

[The Dancing Peacock]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i wonder if the number of people who survived from zion was the same number the architect mentioned?

i think they're still stuck in the matrix

zion hadn't been destroyed it was the counterattack that was wiped out, thats why the machines kept on digging. because they hadn't yet reached zion

I don't understand what you mean. Sounds like you're contradicting yourself with those two comments.

At first I thought Zion had been reached after that scene in ship, but zion hasn't been reached yet. that's why there's still 24 hours left for him to save it in Revolutions. No reason to have 1 day to save humanity if there's nothing left.

Earlier in the film, they talked about sending ships to certain points in the sentinels' dig down where things were ripe for a counterattack. This is what failed.

 

[gwlam12]

wait wait, so can someone tell me how you guys know that the survivor was smith?? i mean, neo dreamt that smith copied himself and picked up the phone...but thats all i know.

and i would like some more interaction between smith and the agents, like, agents trying to stop smith.

and if neo was able to destroy smith in the original, then why couldnt he do that to anyone else?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: gwlam12
wait wait, so can someone tell me how you guys know that the survivor was smith?? i mean, neo dreamt that smith copied himself and picked up the phone...but thats all i know.

and i would like some more interaction between smith and the agents, like, agents trying to stop smith.

and if neo was able to destroy smith in the original, then why couldnt he do that to anyone else?

neo dreamt it but he dreamt what actually happened. he is connected to the matrix in the real world because hes still stuck in the matrix. that is why the oracle knows his dreams.

 

[ElFenix]

either that or hes just dreaming it and its like the end of the newhart show where bob wakes up and hes in bed with his wife from a previous show

 

[neomits]

Originally posted by: gwlam12
wait wait, so can someone tell me how you guys know that the survivor was smith?? i mean, neo dreamt that smith copied himself and picked up the phone...but thats all i know.

and i would like some more interaction between smith and the agents, like, agents trying to stop smith.

and if neo was able to destroy smith in the original, then why couldnt he do that to anyone else?

a few reasons I think its smith.

First of all it just makes sense that someone is all of a sudden causing havoc
2) You first see him cut himself. Hence seeing if he bleeds like a "real" human
3) He refers to himself as "we'll see you soon" as in the rest of the smiths
4) He looks just like the guy that he used to replicate himslef and then go through the phone.


Maybe its all one huge coincidence but I'm convinced



Also I just saw it a second time (yea major nerd here) and didn't catch when Persephone said "he's in the ladies room" she knew what he was doing there LOL

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: neomits

Originally posted by: gwlam12
wait wait, so can someone tell me how you guys know that the survivor was smith?? i mean, neo dreamt that smith copied himself and picked up the phone...but thats all i know.

and i would like some more interaction between smith and the agents, like, agents trying to stop smith.

and if neo was able to destroy smith in the original, then why couldnt he do that to anyone else?

a few reasons I think its smith.

First of all it just makes sense that someone is all of a sudden causing havoc
2) You first see him cut himself. Hence seeing if he bleeds like a "real" human
3) He refers to himself as "we'll see you soon" as in the rest of the smiths
4) He looks just like the guy that he used to replicate himslef and then go through the phone.


Maybe its all one huge coincidence but I'm convinced



Also I just saw it a second time (yea major nerd here) and didn't catch when Persephone said "he's in the ladies room" she knew what he was doing there LOL

wow, that makes sense.

thanks

 

[The Dancing Peacock]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: gwlam12
wait wait, so can someone tell me how you guys know that the survivor was smith?? i mean, neo dreamt that smith copied himself and picked up the phone...but thats all i know.

and i would like some more interaction between smith and the agents, like, agents trying to stop smith.

and if neo was able to destroy smith in the original, then why couldnt he do that to anyone else?

neo dreamt it but he dreamt what actually happened. he is connected to the matrix in the real world because hes still stuck in the matrix. that is why the oracle knows his dreams.

the oracle told him that what he dreamt is what actually happened. That's how you know that when those two guys were getting out and that one guy turned into smith, he became smith in the "real world" it was the same guy that tried to get Roy Jones Jr to go, and tries to kill Neo but the kid stops him. Surprised no one else mentioned seeing him. I thought he was pretty good, I hadn't heard he was going to be in it.

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Beast1284
References to Christianity out the ARSE. The references were so blatant I was laughing to myself through the entire film. But, an excellent sequel and I can't wait to see what happens in the next.

i've never read the bible or been to church, so point out some of the references you found amusing.

Basically everything. If it was in the movie you can find it in the bible... Just to name a few....

- Jesus could heal people, Neo heals Trinity
- When Neo returns to Zion, he is greeted by people with gifts, and one person asks him to heal her daughter, straight out of the bible.

That's just two of the MANY stories that are straight from the bible.

Well, when you're the "Chosen One," you can pretty much do anything.
And I don't think the one person asked him to heal her daughter, I think she asked him to watch over her. Also, don't people greet kings with gifts when they are asking for favors? I think it's just a coincidence that it looks like it came out of teh Bible.

 

[y2kc]

I'm not shocked that this film doesn't feel as "fresh" as the first. The first Matrix came out of nowhere, no one knew what to expect, it definately wasn't "hyped" as much as this one, and we've seen so many matrix clones between 1999 and now that it's bound to be a little hum-drum so I'm not expecting to be blown away, just entertained and it sounds like i'll be getting my money's worth.

Question about the digital Orgasm scene: How graphic is it? I'm taking my 14 yo and I need to know if this scene is too much. Maybe I shouldn't take him.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: TheShiz

Originally posted by: Beast1284
References to Christianity out the ARSE. The references were so blatant I was laughing to myself through the entire film. But, an excellent sequel and I can't wait to see what happens in the next.

i've never read the bible or been to church, so point out some of the references you found amusing.

Basically everything. If it was in the movie you can find it in the bible... Just to name a few....

- Jesus could heal people, Neo heals Trinity
- When Neo returns to Zion, he is greeted by people with gifts, and one person asks him to heal her daughter, straight out of the bible.

That's just two of the MANY stories that are straight from the bible.

Well, when you're the "Chosen One," you can pretty much do anything.
And I don't think the one person asked him to heal her daughter, I think she asked him to watch over her. Also, don't people greet kings with gifts when they are asking for favors? I think it's just a coincidence that it looks like it came out of teh Bible.

Definitely not a coincidence. There are sooo many references in the movie to stuff that happened in the Bible, it's pretty amazing actually.

Some people have commented on it earlier in this thread. Or was it another thread? Too many Matrix threads around here I think...

 

[The Dancing Peacock]

Originally posted by: y2kc
I'm not shocked that this film doesn't feel as "fresh" as the first. The first Matrix came out of nowhere, no one knew what to expect, it definately wasn't "hyped" as much as this one, and we've seen so many matrix clones between 1999 and now that it's bound to be a little hum-drum so I'm not expecting to be blown away, just entertained and it sounds like i'll be getting my money's worth.

Question about the digital Orgasm scene: How graphic is it? I'm taking my 14 yo and I need to know if this scene is too much. Maybe I shouldn't take him.

t's all in matrix code texture over the model, but the camera flies through the air, splits her thighs and then you see an "explosion" right where she wants it to be


Plus Trinity and Neo "do it" you see her ass, some pumping/thrusting and an 'O' face. I would say that is more graphic than the orgasm.

And on top of that, his friends will see it, you don't want him to be the only one who hasn't seen it.


Eh, he's had sex ed, he should know what happens. He'll dig it. F@p material for a week at least

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: y2kc
I'm not shocked that this film doesn't feel as "fresh" as the first. The first Matrix came out of nowhere, no one knew what to expect, it definately wasn't "hyped" as much as this one, and we've seen so many matrix clones between 1999 and now that it's bound to be a little hum-drum so I'm not expecting to be blown away, just entertained and it sounds like i'll be getting my money's worth.

Question about the digital Orgasm scene: How graphic is it? I'm taking my 14 yo and I need to know if this scene is too much. Maybe I shouldn't take him.

whoa...maybe u should watch it urself first to see what it's like, cuz right now you're reading a bunch of spoilers, and that sucks.

 

[RalphWiggum]

Originally posted by: y2kc
I'm not shocked that this film doesn't feel as "fresh" as the first. The first Matrix came out of nowhere, no one knew what to expect, it definately wasn't "hyped" as much as this one, and we've seen so many matrix clones between 1999 and now that it's bound to be a little hum-drum so I'm not expecting to be blown away, just entertained and it sounds like i'll be getting my money's worth.

Question about the digital Orgasm scene: How graphic is it? I'm taking my 14 yo and I need to know if this scene is too much. Maybe I shouldn't take him.

It's not graphic at all... No sounds or picture associated with it, well unless you count green lines and dots and an embarassed, but fine, lady. Should be fine taking your 14 year old, although the site of Keanu's ass might be a bit much .

I just saw it. All my friends and I were a bit let down... We all thought the fight scenes dragged on, and the plot was purposefully confusing. HAlfway thru the movie I wasn't sure if I was thinking too much or not enough... Good effects and worth a watch, but try not to get your hopes up.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: koolhand
So what's the deal with Neo being able to stop the Sentinels as if he was "in" the Matrix when he's
out in the "real" world??

the real world is a secondary program to contain the humans who got out of the 1st world.

they only thought they were free from the machine and had their real bodies, but they werent. even in their "real" world, they were still within the computer program.

NEO was the 6th one that tried to shut down the machine and save what he thoguht was his real world. but in actuality, he realized the "real" world was another computer program, thus he had power over it.

That was my thoughts too. This also makes sense because Agent Smith is a program, and since he is able to take another form and go into Zion, then Zion too must be a simulation. The "real world" seems like some sort of simulation to try to guard and figure out human nature and to completely eliminate any chance of ever being retaken over by humans. Since they can't figure out human nature, they cannot control us and there's always some element of choice.

The thing I didn't get was the Architect said that the machines weren't dependent on humans anymore. If they aren't dependent on humans anymore, kill the whole matrix, why bother going through this process with Neo? You don't care which door he chooses because simply, it doensn't matter anymore.

My other theory is that maybe the machines too are enslaved and only the oracle realizes this. She realizes that machines and humans must come together to fight a larger force. So how it would work is humans invent machines, and machines take over humans. Machines then invent their own machines, which in turn take them over. So both humans and machines are stuck in a separate matrix. Machines are stuck in the "real world" matrix without knowing it and humans are stuck in the matrix created by the machines.

 

[0roo0roo]

the sexuality is so pg13 u need not worry.

 

[y2kc]

He'll dig it. F@p material for a week at least

HAHAHA... thanks dude..