**Official Mario Kart Wii** thread UPDATE

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I'm not saying you are a whining crybaby or that you are a sore loser, but I just had add my experience to the above. I have all the MK series bar the GBA version and IMHO this is a great addition to the legacy.

I suppose each person is going to have a different amount of randomness that they can stand before it becomes pointless. In 4 player games without CPUs, its not nearly as bad as you're not getting constantly raped because theres just less items going around. Its not the strength of the items so much as the quantity that really detracts from the game, which is naturally less of a problem with less players.

But with the crazy items it was still fun that people who had never played MK before could jump in and have a good time, but it's not really a game killer once you modify it. Random games are fun for a while, games of skill are fun for a much longer time.

It's definitely the best mario kart, as long as you tweak the items to what you feel comfortable with.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: CasioTech
According to the guys at Gametrailes, Wii Kart will have slightly worse graphics than Double Dash because of the additional players on the screen.

This sucks seeing how MP3, Galaxy, SSBB pwn the GC counterparts.

The guys at gametrailers are wrong, plain and simple. I'd elaborate, but there's no need. Theyre just wrong. Its not even a matter of opinion, MK Wii simply looks better in all ways.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: CraKaJaX
How is the online play like in terms of lag? SSMB was pretty bad in the beginning, but things settled down after a while and it was pretty tolerable. How does this compare?

There is no input lag so its almost exactly like playing someone locally, but every now and then you'll see a kart warp around the track here or there. Overall, it plays great, and doesnt take very long to get into a game. I still find it a bit pointless since theres really no difference between the AI and humans since there is a total lack of communication, but with friends, it'll work great.

 

[CraKaJaX]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: CraKaJaX
How is the online play like in terms of lag? SSMB was pretty bad in the beginning, but things settled down after a while and it was pretty tolerable. How does this compare?

There is no input lag so its almost exactly like playing someone locally, but every now and then you'll see a kart warp around the track here or there. Overall, it plays great, and doesnt take very long to get into a game. I still find it a bit pointless since theres really no difference between the AI and humans since there is a total lack of communication, but with friends, it'll work great.

Cool. Yea, I agree on the communications part. I believe somewhere down the road things will change for the Wii regarding some kind of keyboard or headset. Yea, the games are fun and all, but being able to brag makes it that much better.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I' more than happy with the lack of communication. What's to say when you're bombing around a track? I gets tiring being called a i love you constantly by 8 year olds on the PS3.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Having somehow managed to nearly grab a gold medal in one of the final cups, within sight of the goal line I was unceremoniously blue shelled, then lightning bolted, then red shelled in succession. Finished in last. Not that such an occurrence had surprised me after playing for a while, but having it happen then and there made me want to throw the controller against the wall. Its very, very, very rare that a game frustrates me to that point, but MK has managed to do it several times. You'll be lucky to drive for 20 seconds without getting hammered by one thing or another.

I was actually concerned about your comments until I read a real example and realized the same exact thing has happened to me in MKS. MKS is a fucking awesome game and sure the randomness can be frustrating, but as you get more skilled you can greatly cut down on how the randomness affects you. You can drive defensively, you can hang back in 3rd place making sure nobody passes you and making sure the people in front never get too far ahead. Even so, when you become a good driver and know all the shortcuts you can still pull off those comfortable leads where even multiple blue shells in a row won't steal the lead from you.

And for every bullshit time where the people behind you fire a blue, lightning and a red in almost perfect succession, there will be those amazing times where you fire a shitty banana from 2nd place while power sliding around a corner and it goes 50 feet down the track landing perfectly in front of first place and having him slide off the track securing your victory. Or the lone green shell that bounces halfway down the track to take out first place. Yea, that makes it all worth it.

I look forward to the Wii version whenever the hell I buy one, perhaps you should go back and practice a bit more before being a little too judgmental.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: BD2003
Having somehow managed to nearly grab a gold medal in one of the final cups, within sight of the goal line I was unceremoniously blue shelled, then lightning bolted, then red shelled in succession. Finished in last. Not that such an occurrence had surprised me after playing for a while, but having it happen then and there made me want to throw the controller against the wall. Its very, very, very rare that a game frustrates me to that point, but MK has managed to do it several times. You'll be lucky to drive for 20 seconds without getting hammered by one thing or another.

I was actually concerned about your comments until I read a real example and realized the same exact thing has happened to me in MKS. MKS is a fucking awesome game and sure the randomness can be frustrating, but as you get more skilled you can greatly cut down on how the randomness affects you. You can drive defensively, you can hang back in 3rd place making sure nobody passes you and making sure the people in front never get too far ahead. Even so, when you become a good driver and know all the shortcuts you can still pull off those comfortable leads where even multiple blue shells in a row won't steal the lead from you.

And for every bullshit time where the people behind you fire a blue, lightning and a red in almost perfect succession, there will be those amazing times where you fire a shitty banana from 2nd place while power sliding around a corner and it goes 50 feet down the track landing perfectly in front of first place and having him slide off the track securing your victory. Or the lone green shell that bounces halfway down the track to take out first place. Yea, that makes it all worth it.

I look forward to the Wii version whenever the hell I buy one, perhaps you should go back and practice a bit more before being a little too judgmental.

See, but thats the thing, you're still basing your judgment on MKS. Like you said, for every bullshit time you get raped by random items, you get your chance at glory. This is not that game. In MK Wii, you will simply be raped more often than not. The balance has been tipped way over to the side of randomness. And far more often than not, its not going to be a well placed green shell, its going to be easy button rape everyone but you items. I don't see hanging around in 3rd just so I dont get blue shelled to be as fun as all out racing. But that's just my opinion - in order for the game to be truly fun, the items need to be toned down to "basic", which basically takes away 90% of the easy buttons. When you do that, its completely awesome, there's no need to "play safe" because of fear of what the loser can do to the winner.

Perhaps you should actually play the game before being judgmental. It has nothing to do with lack of skill - when you play online you will regularly see people with the highest ratings finish in last. The randomness is fun with friends, but just plain annoying when strangers or the CPU does it to you.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: BD2003
Having somehow managed to nearly grab a gold medal in one of the final cups, within sight of the goal line I was unceremoniously blue shelled, then lightning bolted, then red shelled in succession. Finished in last. Not that such an occurrence had surprised me after playing for a while, but having it happen then and there made me want to throw the controller against the wall. Its very, very, very rare that a game frustrates me to that point, but MK has managed to do it several times. You'll be lucky to drive for 20 seconds without getting hammered by one thing or another.

I was actually concerned about your comments until I read a real example and realized the same exact thing has happened to me in MKS. MKS is a fucking awesome game and sure the randomness can be frustrating, but as you get more skilled you can greatly cut down on how the randomness affects you. You can drive defensively, you can hang back in 3rd place making sure nobody passes you and making sure the people in front never get too far ahead. Even so, when you become a good driver and know all the shortcuts you can still pull off those comfortable leads where even multiple blue shells in a row won't steal the lead from you.

And for every bullshit time where the people behind you fire a blue, lightning and a red in almost perfect succession, there will be those amazing times where you fire a shitty banana from 2nd place while power sliding around a corner and it goes 50 feet down the track landing perfectly in front of first place and having him slide off the track securing your victory. Or the lone green shell that bounces halfway down the track to take out first place. Yea, that makes it all worth it.

I look forward to the Wii version whenever the hell I buy one, perhaps you should go back and practice a bit more before being a little too judgmental.

See, but thats the thing, you're still basing your judgment on MKS. Like you said, for every bullshit time you get raped by random items, you get your chance at glory. This is not that game. In MK Wii, you will simply be raped more often than not. The balance has been tipped way over to the side of randomness. And far more often than not, its not going to be a well placed green shell, its going to be easy button rape everyone but you items. I don't see hanging around in 3rd just so I dont get blue shelled to be as fun as all out racing. But that's just my opinion - in order for the game to be truly fun, the items need to be toned down to "basic", which basically takes away 90% of the easy buttons. When you do that, its completely awesome, there's no need to "play safe" because of fear of what the loser can do to the winner.

Perhaps you should actually play the game before being judgmental. It has nothing to do with lack of skill - when you play online you will regularly see people with the highest ratings finish in last. The randomness is fun with friends, but just plain annoying when strangers or the CPU does it to you.

OK I've been tactful up until now, but your FUD is pissing me off.

You're wrong. You DO NOT see people with low scores regularly winning. This statement is BS in the extreme. I have a good mind to run ten races, cap all the final screens and post them here. That's how full of crap that statement is.

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding randomness. Remind me which MK game did not have a random power-up after hitting the item box. I'll tell you. None. It's always been an element of the game. If you have no patience to learn the game then I have no sympathy for you. You expect to be an expert at the game simply because you've played it before. Well bad luck, you have to learn the tricks and techniques for the new version just like everyone else. Deal with it.

Slamming people for not playing it simply shows they have more restraint, rather than rushing out playing an illegal copy. I'll say it again; If something of value is obtained free then you will assign it no value.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
OK I've been tactful up until now, but your FUD is pissing me off.

You're wrong. You DO NOT see people with low scores regularly winning. This statement is BS in the extreme. I have a good mind to run ten races, cap all the final screens and post them here. That's how full of crap that statement is.

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding randomness. Remind me which MK game did not have a random power-up after hitting the item box. I'll tell you. None. It's always been an element of the game. If you have no patience to learn the game then I have no sympathy for you. You expect to be an expert at the game simply because you've played it before. Well bad luck, you have to learn the tricks and techniques for the new version just like everyone else. Deal with it.

Slamming people for not playing it simply shows they have more restraint, rather than rushing out playing an illegal copy. I'll say it again; If something of value is obtained free then you will assign it no value.

I'm just giving my personal opinion and impressions. Yours is free to differ from mine. I just have very little patience with a game when the loser can determine the winner, and I've never really seen it as game-breaking until this iteration.

But in the right setting, the extra randomness made it fun for everyone to play. And in case you havent noticed, I do really love the game when I'm able to play it on my own terms. Say what you want about where or how I was able to play the game, but that doesnt change the fact that I just might know a little bit more about the game than someone who's never played it at all.

 

[warcrow]

Yea yea--you two argue go for it.

I'm just super-excited for the game and cannot wait to race some of you effers on line!

We've got to start some, little ATCF league or something. Nono--we'll start a gang! We can all ride the motocycles and drive around kicking over old ladies!

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
OK I've been tactful up until now, but your FUD is pissing me off.

You're wrong. You DO NOT see people with low scores regularly winning. This statement is BS in the extreme. I have a good mind to run ten races, cap all the final screens and post them here. That's how full of crap that statement is.

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding randomness. Remind me which MK game did not have a random power-up after hitting the item box. I'll tell you. None. It's always been an element of the game. If you have no patience to learn the game then I have no sympathy for you. You expect to be an expert at the game simply because you've played it before. Well bad luck, you have to learn the tricks and techniques for the new version just like everyone else. Deal with it.

Slamming people for not playing it simply shows they have more restraint, rather than rushing out playing an illegal copy. I'll say it again; If something of value is obtained free then you will assign it no value.

I'm just giving my personal opinion and impressions. Yours is free to differ from mine. I just have very little patience with a game when the loser can determine the winner, and I've never really seen it as game-breaking until this iteration.

But in the right setting, the extra randomness made it fun for everyone to play. And in case you havent noticed, I do really love the game when I'm able to play it on my own terms. Say what you want about where or how I was able to play the game, but that doesnt change the fact that I just might know a little bit more about the game than someone who's never played it at all.

Meh, I've been playing it for four days.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
OK I've been tactful up until now, but your FUD is pissing me off.

You're wrong. You DO NOT see people with low scores regularly winning. This statement is BS in the extreme. I have a good mind to run ten races, cap all the final screens and post them here. That's how full of crap that statement is.

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding randomness. Remind me which MK game did not have a random power-up after hitting the item box. I'll tell you. None. It's always been an element of the game. If you have no patience to learn the game then I have no sympathy for you. You expect to be an expert at the game simply because you've played it before. Well bad luck, you have to learn the tricks and techniques for the new version just like everyone else. Deal with it.

Slamming people for not playing it simply shows they have more restraint, rather than rushing out playing an illegal copy. I'll say it again; If something of value is obtained free then you will assign it no value.

I'm just giving my personal opinion and impressions. Yours is free to differ from mine. I just have very little patience with a game when the loser can determine the winner, and I've never really seen it as game-breaking until this iteration.

But in the right setting, the extra randomness made it fun for everyone to play. And in case you havent noticed, I do really love the game when I'm able to play it on my own terms. Say what you want about where or how I was able to play the game, but that doesnt change the fact that I just might know a little bit more about the game than someone who's never played it at all.

Meh, I've been playing it for four days.

And I'm sure plenty of people will feel the same way about it as you do. Regardless about how I or anyone else might feel about the default mode, given that it can be customized, I'm sure everyone can find a way to enjoy it, it's a great game.

 

[torpid]

DivideByZero, seems like you aren't disagreeing with BD2003 about the items, only about whether it detracts from the fun and whether a skilled player can overcome them. So if we don't like the randomness associated with excessive items (I did not like Double Dash, so that would apply to me), does that mean we are more likely to have issues with it like BD2003 does? Is there in fact no way to alter the rules in online multiplayer or single player, or is there a way and BD2003, not having the manual, didn't notice it?

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: torpid
DivideByZero, seems like you aren't disagreeing with BD2003 about the items, only about whether it detracts from the fun. So if we don't like the randomness associated with excessive items, does that mean we are more likely to have issues with it like BD2003 does? Is there in fact no way to alter the rules in online multiplayer or single player, or is there a way and BD2003, not having the manual, didn't notice it?

There's no way to modify the rules in single player GP, but you can modify it in single player Vs. mode and run a pseudo-GP, but you wont be able to unlock anything. You can modify the items in online multiplayer friend matches, but not in random online matches.

Whats excessive to some might not be excessive to others, I think youre really just going to have to play it yourself to know for sure.

Edit: If you didnt like double dash because of the items, you probably won't like this one unless you turn it on basic. Basic tones it down to where power items are *very* rare. For what its worth, I didnt think DD was all that bad, so you might hate the excessive items even more than me, if thats even possible.

 

[Joemonkey]

Anyone heard if there are some early releases in any stores?

called local gamestop, they are doing a midnight release...

 

[RandomFool]

WooT! I need to remember to tell my gf to pick this up for me this weekend.

 

[Nutdotnet]

So is this game released this Sunday or is it "shipping Sunday, in stores on Monday"?

 

[Joemonkey]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
So is this game released this Sunday or is it "shipping Sunday, in stores on Monday"?

Gamestop told me they are doing a midnight release saturday night/sunday morning at midnight, then open 11-6, then another midnight relase for GTA4 at midnight sunday night/monday morning so I'd imagine it is IN stores on Sunday

 

[tfinch2]

Does anyone know if Best Buy is doing a midnight release? I have a $50 gift card that I want to use for this.

 

[tfinch2]

Mario Kart Wii is pretty good. It's way better than Double Dash, and using the wheel is more accurate than I thought.

 

[AbAbber2k]

Picked it up a couple hours ago, played through 50cc (except the retro tracks). Great game, but the uber-items can be pretty frustrating. Getting use to the remote/wheel didn't take too long, and now that I've tried it, I don't even feel like plugging in a GC controller. I never played DD, and only played MKS once or twice, so this is a big leap forward for me from MK64.

Things I like:
Controls
More Characters
More "Karts"
Retro Tracks!
Speed Boost Tricks
Drafting! (cept I suck at it still)

Things I don't like:
Uber-items galore, but I never get anything but bananas, ? blocks and green shells. :|

 

[gizbug]

Depends where you are in the race. If you are first, all you'll get are banana's, fake boxes, and shells. Bring up the rear , and you get the bullet.

 

[Ackmed]

The game is completely annoying, in 150cc. The computer cheats like no other, going way too fast if you're ahead, and getting every good item it can to knock you out. When you get hit by lighting six times.. thats too much. It cheats worse than the N64 version ever thought about. I hate racing games that do this.

 

[gizbug]

Don't play it then. I find it pretty fun with the GC controller.

 

[Ackmed]

Dont play? Thats an ignorant statement. Try the 150cc class, and Ill bet you dont beat all tracks, because the AI will kill you. Then you'll be singing the blues too.