[Official] Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Install/First Impressions/Issues Thread

[silverpig]

I thought I'd make a dedicated thread for Lion install/usage/first impressions, so have at it.

The install was pretty quick for me. I guess an SSD and 8GB ram will do that. Booted up fine with no issues.

1. I hate the new address book. It just sucks and I want the old one back. Major fail on Apple for making this much less usable - it's not what I would expect from the usability company.

2. iCal update is good and bad. I like everything so far except the new titlebar that looks like leather. It's ugly.

3. I haven't gotten around to using Mail yet, but I have bought Sparrow and will continue to use it because it beat Mail to the punch.

4. Mission Control is going to take some getting used to. I liked having my windows arranged via spaces and I could move to the right one and have those apps laid out how I like. Gotta get this figured out.

5. The swiping and scrolling gestures are counterintuitive to me. I have a MBP and a magic mouse and the swiping and scrolling work in the opposite direction to how I expect.

scrolling: In Snow Leopard I would put two fingers at the top of the trackpad and pull towards me to scroll down on a web page. Same with my magic mouse, although it was one finger (to emulate a scroll wheel). Once I booted into Lion, these gestures made me scroll UP on a web page, just like on the iPhone. I changed it right quick.

IMO, the iPhone style of scrolling works when you have a touch screen. You "grab" the content and push it up the screen. I don't feel this on a trackpad with a separate screen.

swiping: Oddly, I feel the opposite when swiping left/right to move to different spaces, but so does Apple, so we are at odds again. Let's say I have Chrome on one desktop and iTunes on the desktop to the right.

[Chrome] [iTunes]

If I am using Chrome and want to switch to iTunes, I would put my three fingers on the trackpad and swipe right to left. I feel it is like turning a page in a book. Grab it, move it over to get to the next one. This is opposite to the way it is set up. The odd thing is I can't seem to figure out how to reverse this.

edit: actually the swiping by default works as I want, but scrolling does not. If I turn off the "scroll direction: natural" for the trackpad, scrolling then works as I want, but swiping for mission control is opposite how I want. If I turn it back on, swiping for mission control works, but scrolling is opposite

Confused

 

[kubani1]

I am afraid of how long this is going to take to download. I am at my mother's house for the next while (sorting out some VISA issues so i can get back to Britain), and the internet connection here is about 1.31 Mbps......
So this is gonna take awhile, i'll write back sometime tomorrow when i can actually install it.

 

[kubani1]

does anyone know how i can check my download progress and estimated time left?

 

[kubani1]

never mind, i figured it out

 

[sportage]

Will any previous personal data be lost via update/install over top of snow leopard?
That is, is first backing up personal data necessary? Itunes media? Files, doc's, etc?
Is anything personal lost after update?

 

[runawayprisoner]

No backing up is required.

But if you have applied any tweak to the system via tools like TinkerTool or Onyx, I think it goes without saying that you should revert all of those tweaks before proceeding. Or you may be left with some undesirable effects.

 

[Eug]

Definitely do a backup.

Usually the upgrade is seamless, but every once in a while it isn't. I personally usually do a clean install each time at least for my primary machine, which is a pain, but do so because of the problems I've encountered in the past.

That said, on my Mac laptops, which are 3rd or 4th on my list of machines in terms of importance, I just do an upgrade.

 

[Printer Bandit]

Have an early 2008 Macbook Pro and secondary click doesn't work.

 

[runawayprisoner]

It seems some still haven't figured out how to reverse the scrolling direction, so here's how:

On a trackpad:
- Go to Settings
- Go to Trackpad
- Go to Scroll & Zoom
- Deselect "Scroll direction: natural" (it's the top option)

On a magic mouse or other similar mice:
- Go to Settings
- Go to Mouse
- Go to Point & Click
- Deselect "Scroll direction: natural" (it's also the top option)

Deselecting may also improve scrolling performance in some cases, though you can't adjust scroll speed.

 

[Fingolfin269]

So is it worth it? To be honest guys I really just use my MBP to surf the net, read mail, and watch some movies. I may play a game from time to time but don't run any hefty productivity apps or anything like that.

Yeah it's only $30 but if it doesn't do much to improve upon the functions I use then I may just skip it.

 

[slugg]

Is there any way to not use Mission Control and go back to good old Spaces? This may sound dumb to most of you, but Spaces is the primary reason why I use OS X.

 

[silverpig]

Is there any way to not use Mission Control and go back to good old Spaces? This may sound dumb to most of you, but Spaces is the primary reason why I use OS X.

I don't think so. System Preferences has Mission Control and no Spaces. I'm kind of not liking it actually.

 

[runawayprisoner]

So is it worth it? To be honest guys I really just use my MBP to surf the net, read mail, and watch some movies. I may play a game from time to time but don't run any hefty productivity apps or anything like that.

Yeah it's only $30 but if it doesn't do much to improve upon the functions I use then I may just skip it.

If you surf the net and read articles a lot, then the new Safari has a full-screen mode along with trackpad zooming, which I think is totally worth it.

Think iPhone/iPad with keyboard. (Edit: and with Flash support, obviously)

 

[silverpig]

BAH. WTF? This scrolling stuff is messed up bad.

I can turn on or off the "scroll direction: natural" setting in either the trackpad or magic mouse settings. Changing one changes both, despite it not unchecking the check box in the other.

For example: I can have them both set to "on" and everything works as expected. I can then turn it off in the magic mouse and it will turn it off for both the magic mouse and the track pad. When I view the settings for the track pad, it still says it is on despite it being off.

 

[silverpig]

I think I got it working, but I have to use BetterTouchTool.

In the System Prefs, I set scrolling direction: natural to off. I then disabled the swipe left/right to change between full screen apps, and then used BetterTouchTool to bind the swipe left/right to the same keyboard shortcut which goes in the direction I want.

 

[adairusmc]

I am liking it so far, it seems snappier on my 2010 macbook pro core2duo than Snow Leopard was. The change in scrolling drove me nuts right away as well, had to change that right off the bat.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I am using Lion on my 2009 Core 2 Duo MBP. I like it OK for the most part. I tried the "natural" scrolling and had to turn it off despite a ton of time using iPhones and iPads. I like the Mail app for the most part - looks at lot like the one on my iPad. I like the QT player quite a bit better - it seems to work MUCH better with WMV files than the prior version.

 

[silverpig]

I'm playing around with full screen apps and mission control, trying to get used to how it is all set up. Full screen safari is quite nice and I'm having to re-learn how to get around.

Still hate address book. The iCal leather thing still pisses me off too, but I can deal with it.

 

[Fingolfin269]

If you surf the net and read articles a lot, then the new Safari has a full-screen mode along with trackpad zooming, which I think is totally worth it.

Think iPhone/iPad with keyboard. (Edit: and with Flash support, obviously)

This may not be for me at this point then. I use chrome on my mbp and am posting this from an EVO. .

 

[dr150]

This Lion POS crashed my machine on install.

After two hours with tech support, I had no choice but to do a reformat and Snow Leopard install.

So lets try the Lion install again.....


My history with Crapple: 1.) 2008 Macbook Pro went belly up. Repair costs too expensive. 2.) Gets a 2011 13" MBP. The thing breaks down after 5 days. 3.) I return it and get a $2000 15" MBP. Then the Lion issue tanks the MBP.


Apple: "It just works!" :thumbsdown:

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Scrolling is retarded. The fact that the iPhone, iPad, every touchscreen device, every revision of OSX before had kinetic scrolling, the fact that we're going to the counterintuitive "natural" scroll as Lion calls it is dumb.

This is like invert mouse. I don't care if this is an option, but why make it default when Apple has taught us for years how to scroll, and practically EVERYTHING scrolls inverted until... now.

BTw, how do I bring back the 3 finger swipe to go forward and backward on a webpage in Firefox?

 

[slugg]

I'm in the process of doing a full system backup, including a backup of my backups. Then I plan on installing Lion to a separate drive. It'll be a couple days; I'm pretty busy.

 

[Pliablemoose]

DL now, looking forward to the new OS.

 

[runawayprisoner]

BTw, how do I bring back the 3 finger swipe to go forward and backward on a webpage in Firefox?

Go to Settings
Go to Trackpad
Go to More Gestures
Hover your cursor to "Swipe between pages"
Then hover it on top of the line that probably reads "Scroll left or right with two fingers", click it.
Choose "Swipe left or right with three fingers"

The "downside" is that you'll have to use four fingers to swipe between fullscreen apps and desktops. But the "upside" is panning around a website will be much more responsive.

Edit: note that three-finger swipe will always be the previous style, which is "swipe right to go forward and left to go backward" instead of the inverted-scroll style.

 

[MemoryInAGarden]

I can't help feeling Apple laid an egg. Mission Control was the first thing I noticed, and while this will show more value on machines with more software, the apps I frequently access are already on my desktop or pinned to the dock. They are trying to basically get the touchy-feely interface onto a desktop, and it just doesn't feel natural for most of us. I suppose if you had never used a traditional desktop OS it would feel better, but it still feels a bit alien on a desktop, especially without a touchscreen. I haven't noticed anything else with what I use my Mac for that has made Lion feel like an upgrade over Snow Leopard - it feels like a few more features were tweaked and added on, and the price reflects that.