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***Official GeForce GTX660/GTX650 Review Thread***

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Jaydip said:
Most people touting the term compute just "have" no idea what they are talking about
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Let's talk when Kepler can actually handle dx11 compute Forward+ with any decent speed comparable to GCN.

Unless you believe it won't be used more in future games, GCN is simply more future proof.
 
blastingcap said:
I have not read everything in this thread so I really don't know who he is referring to, sorry. If you guys were specifically talking to each other then allow me to butt out of the crossfire, now. 🙂

Roughly meaning within 10% of the price of the 7770. Drivers are new and maybe the 650 will improve over time with better drivers, but as it stands it just does not look competitive with 7770s that cost about the same or a little more. I know a thing or two about 7770s having owned one myself, and you can find them on sale for ~$99 occasionally. Even right now you can find them for ~$110 after rebate, same as the $110 650s. And the 7770 is substantially faster than the 650; the 650 is not just "a bit" slower, particularly at the kinds of framerates you will likely see with these lower-end parts where a 25% fps difference may translate to 24 fps (barely playable) vs 30fps (significantly better).

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-geforce-gtx-650-benchmark,3297-24.html

What I'm curious about is typical oc headroom, because a 7750 can overclock well, and the 650 may not keep up if its oc headroom is worse. We will have to wait till more oc reviews come out to figure out typical 650 oc headroom, I guess.

As you said, though, the market is dynamic and prices will fluctuate. So I am limiting my comment about 650 price/perf solely to today's street prices at major retailers.
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Well, is it competitive with the 7750? Cause those are going from 99 to 109 as well.
 
Silverforce11 said:
Let's talk when Kepler can actually handle dx11 compute Forward+ with any decent speed comparable to GCN.

Unless you believe it won't be used more in future games, GCN is simply more future proof.
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There is a loophole:
Let's talk when GCN can actually handle DX11 (compute) Tessellation with any decent speed comparable to Kepler.

Unless you believe it won't be used more in future games, Kepler is simply more future proof.
 
Keysplayr said:
Well, is it competitive with the 7750? Cause those are going from 99 to 109 as well.
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Yes it is performance competitive with the 7750, and the 7750 pricing is just as bad as the 650's pricing, which is why I bought the 7770 back when I had to choose between the two. I guess we may end up seeing some ridiculously narrow price jousting in the $90-120 range with rebates, free games, and other promos and sales so on any given day the price/perf leader may end up being the 7750, 650, or 7770.
 
Keysplayr said:
Well, is it competitive with the 7750? Cause those are going from 99 to 109 as well.
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Yes but right now the 650 prices are higher than MSRP which the 7750 is not. 7750 actually outperforms the 650 a little too. Its completely out of place at this point. It should be at $85 MSRP. not $110.
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blastingcap said:
Yes it is performance competitive with the 7750, and the 7750 pricing is just as bad as the 650's pricing, which is why I bought the 7770 back when I had to choose between the two. I guess we may end up seeing some ridiculously narrow price jousting in the $90-120 range with rebates, free games, and other promos and sales so on any given day the price/perf leader may end up being the 7750, 650, or 7770.
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I think they're all in the ballpark of each other. 650 sits in between the 7750 and 7770 in performance. So...

@Rvenger: Ok, that's one site, now if you would, go and find a few other graphs from other 650 reviews so we can have a comparable reference.
 
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Keysplayr said:
I think they're all in the ballpark of each other. 650 sits in between the 7750 and 7770 in performance. So...

@Rvenger: Ok, that's one site, now if you would, go and find a few other graphs from other 650 reviews so we can have a comparable reference.
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that''s a giant no the 650 doesn't outperform the 7750 they trade blows so in no way does it sit inbetween the 7750 and the 7770
 
Keysplayr said:
I think they're all in the ballpark of each other. 650 sits in between the 7750 and 7770 in performance. So...

@Rvenger: Ok, that's one site, now if you would, go and find a few other graphs from other 650 reviews so we can have a comparable reference.
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Actually, if you find one, let me know and I'll link in the OP. Almost every article I read said they weren't sampled a 650.
 
Silverforce11 said:
Let's talk when Kepler can actually handle dx11 compute Forward+ with any decent speed comparable to GCN.

Unless you believe it won't be used more in future games, GCN is simply more future proof.
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Valid points but "compute" without dp is almost irrelevant.I don't know a single game which uses dp?(Please correct if I am wrong).By your terminology "Physx" is also more future proof because it can be used in future games.Most people in these forums upgrade in a year so this whole "future proof" argument is kinda pointless.It will all come down to which game is "gaming evolved" or which one is "twimtbp".
 
"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

Damn, its hot.
 
Crap Daddy said:
No I don't. I showed your friend there AtenRa how are things going with tesselation compared with your beloved AMD cards. That's all.
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No, you showed a useless bench thats irrelevant for actual GAMING.. which is what we're discussing here.

NV's only advantage is actually Physx, so if thats relevant for some users, go for it.
 
Lower power draw, 3 monitors without adapter, adaptive Vsync, GPU Boost for lazy overclockers, CUDA/PhysX, better gamedev relations (and also TWIMTBP), arguably better multi-GPU drivers... NV has more than just Physx, let's be fair here. They are all minor things but they add up and I can see why most people choose NV when price/perf is comparable.
 
Silverforce11 said:
No, you showed a useless bench thats irrelevant for actual GAMING.. which is what we're discussing here.

NV's only advantage is actually Physx, so if thats relevant for some users, go for it.
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It was a response to your friend AtenRA WHO BROUGHT UP THE USELESS BENCH IRRELEVANT FOR ACTUAL GAMING and to your USELESS REMARK IRRELEVANT FOR ACTUAL GAMING:

Let's talk when Kepler can actually handle dx11 compute Forward+ with any decent speed comparable to GCN.
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Silverforce11 said:
No, you showed a useless bench thats irrelevant for actual GAMING.. which is what we're discussing here.

NV's only advantage is actually Physx, so if thats relevant for some users, go for it.
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How about that Unigine based game? I forget what it's called. But I'm sure that is DX11 and chock full of tesselation.

Then there is always the Heaven bench if you want to just check for pure tesselation performance.
 
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