Official Forza Motorsport 3 Thread - Game is OUT

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Queasy

- upgrade to 1080p at 60fps

Sounds too good to be true, is this confirmed?

yep. The devs have stated it repeatedly.

...or not.

http://xboxevolved.e-mpire.com...Motorsport_3/5541.html

LMAO - I'll have to take the posters word for it because I couldn't hear a damn thing in the video that was posted. All the background noise drowned out the voices.

It still looks gorgeous though even if it is rendered at 720p and upscaled to 1080p. Just the smoothness in the graphics is a huge improvement over Forza 2 which had noticeable jaggies.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Queasy

- upgrade to 1080p at 60fps

Sounds too good to be true, is this confirmed?

yep. The devs have stated it repeatedly.

...or not.

http://xboxevolved.e-mpire.com...Motorsport_3/5541.html

Every single XBOX 360 game has 1080p on the back of it because the 360 natively up-res's if you are running at 1080p. The 360's upscaling capabilities are quite good, so if it looks like 1080p, then in my mind it is 1080p, regardless of whether it's being upscaled or not.

With that said, I don't think developers should be boasting 1080p when that's not the true resolution, especially when it's an obvious ploy to compete on bullet points with the competition. Don't try to deceive us, Forza developers, it doesn't look good on you.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Queasy

- upgrade to 1080p at 60fps

Sounds too good to be true, is this confirmed?

yep. The devs have stated it repeatedly.

...or not.

http://xboxevolved.e-mpire.com...Motorsport_3/5541.html

LMAO - I'll have to take the posters word for it because I couldn't hear a damn thing in the video that was posted. All the background noise drowned out the voices.

It still looks gorgeous though even if it is rendered at 720p and upscaled to 1080p. Just the smoothness in the graphics is a huge improvement over Forza 2 which had noticeable jaggies.

I listened to it with headphones (I'm at work). It's pretty clearly stated.

"Do you happen to know what the, ah, native resolution the game runs at?"

"Uh, we're 720p."

It does look like it is going to be pretty, but I was thinking that native 1080p was a pipe dream.

 

[GCS]

Track Info so far:

Officially confirmed tracks list

Heres the list from BADNED on forzacentral, but only the ones already confirmed by T10, the rest are in the expected, but not officially confirmed. the only layouts i've moved to the unconfirmed section are of fantasy tracks

Amalfi Coast (Italy) [image]
location mentioned by T10


Track Layouts:

TBA
Le Mans (France)
le mans mentioned in news articles


Track Layouts:

Circuit des 24 Heures
Circuit Bugatti
TBA
Montserrat (Spain) [image]
tracks in playable demo at E3, all confirmed in gameplay vids


Track Layouts:

Camino Viejo de Montserrat Circuit
Iberian International Circuit
Ladera Test Track
TBA
Nürburgring (Germany)
found in news articles


Track Layouts:

Nürburgring Nordschleife
TBA
Sebring (USA)
found in news article below


Track Layouts:

Sebring International Raceway
Sebring Short Course
Sebring Club Course
TBA
Silverstone (Great Britain) [image]
side by side photo's have confirmed silverstone


Track Layouts:

Silverstone Grand Prix Circuit
Silverstone International Circuit
Silverstone National Circuit
TBA
Suzuka Circuit (Japan) [image]
found in news articles


Track Layouts:

Suzuka Grand Prix Circuit
Suzuka East Circuit
Suzuka West Circuit



expected but not officially confirmed

Montpellier - in customisation video, landin is seen drifting for a second or so. could someone please confirm if the track is Montpellier or not
Bathurst - aussie tracks confirmed in a radio interview of dan, but no specific mentions. bathurst is by far the most popular aussie track though
many FM1 and FM2 tracks
and heres the rest of the list from BADNED on forza central, the ones that havent already been confirmed by T10. i'll keep it in the expected, but not officially confirmed area because T10 themselves havent confirmed it.

Arizona Desert (USA) [image]


Track Layouts:

Drag Strip
TBA
Circuit de Catalunya (Spain)


Track Layouts:

Circuit de Catalunya Grand Prix Track
Circuit de Catalunya National Track
TBA
Montserrat (Spain) [image]
these are all the other ribbons that have yet to be confirmed by T10


Track Layouts:

Camino Viejo de Montserrat Circuit Reverse
Camino Viejo de Montserrat Short Circuit
Camino Viejo de Montserrat Short Circuit Reverse
Camino Viejo de Montserrat Club Circuit
Camino Viejo de Montserrat Club Circuit Reverse
Iberian International Circuit Reverse
Iberian International Circuit Short
Iberian International Circuit Short Reverse
Ladera Test Track Reverse
Ladera Test Track Config 2
Ladera Test Track Config 2 Reverse
Ladera Test Track Config 3
Ladera Test Track Config 3 Reverse
TBA


nurburgring F1 has been taken out of the list, because the picture has been confirmed not to be Nurburgring F1, but Monserrat, which is already confirmed

news with sebring confirmation: http://forzamotorsport.net/en-...Forza-Motorsport-3.htm







***Hey Queasy ... perhaps make this the Official Forza 3 Discussion Thread?

 

[Queasy]

Le Mans officially announced for Forza 3 - The Le Mans Le Sarthe and Bugatti circuits were announced along with a multi-class race mode and the first set of more than 100 race cars. Press releases with bolded highlights below.

Le Mans Circuits to Debut in Forza Motorsport 3
LONDON, 12 JUNE 2009 ? This weekend in Le Mans, Sarthe, France, the world?s best drivers and their finely tuned race cars will compete in the oldest and most prestigious endurance race in the world, at the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

To celebrate the 77th 24 Hours of Le Mans, Xbox 360 has partnered with Peugeot Sport to host a press event at the Le Mans circuit together with Peugeot Sport?s top driver, Stéphane Sarrazin. The event, held in Peugeot Sport?s Hospitality at Le Raccordement announces the debut of the famed Le Mans Le Sarthe and Bugatti circuits as well as a new multi-class racing mode, all to be included in ?Forza Motorsport 3?, when the game launches exclusively on Xbox 360 in October. A consultant to developer Turn 10 on the re-creation of the track for Forza Motorsport 3, Stéphane took some laps on the in-game version of LeMans with press prior to joining his Peugeot 908 teammates to prepare for Saturday?s race.

In the true spirit of motorsport, no ?Forza Motorsport 3? experience is complete without the inclusion of the finely tuned and highly engineered racing machines designed by the world?s most prestigious racing teams. To that end, Xbox 360 also announces at Le Mans the first set of more than 100 race cars that will be featured in the game. For the first time in Forza Motorsport history, fans will be able to get into the cockpit of some of the world?s most famous race cars including the Peugeot Sport 908, the Audi FSI Champion Racing R8 and the Ferrari MOMO Doran Racing F333 SP. With the best graphics and most realistically performing cars in gaming, ?Forza Motorsport 3? will let racing fans worldwide live out their love of motorsport like never before.

In the U.S. this weekend, Xbox 360 and Audi North America invite motorsport fans and media to the Audi Forum New York City for a host of activities celebrating Le Mans. Among them, Xbox 360 and Audi North America are hosting the AXF-24 Audi-Forza Challenge where nine of North America?s top ?Forza? drivers as determined by rankings on Xbox LIVE will compete in a simulated 24-hour endurance competition complete with regular pit stops to refuel and replenish as that challenge themselves and each other on the just debuted Le Mans Le Sarthe circuit in ?Forza Motorsport 3.? The competition runs concurrent to the actual race in France with gamers being split into three teams of three drivers, just like Le Mans racing teams then compete to win an all-expenses paid trip for them and a guest to the 2010 24 Hours of Le Mans race hosted by Audi. Other activities for media and guests include taking their own turns on Lemans in the Forza Motorsport 3 racing pod, witness pit stop demonstrations featuring the real-world Audi R8 and R10 Le Mans race cars as well as view a live broadcast of the race from France. For more info or to register to attend the events taking place at the Audi Forum New York in Manhattan, visit http://audiexp.com/axf24.html

With unparalleled physics, stunning graphics and more competition and variety than any game before, ?Forza Motorsport 3? captures the thrill of Le Mans and brings it from the track to your living room this October. For more information or to download in-game screen shots and video showcasing some of the hottest race cars on the Le Mans in the game, visit http://forza.xbox.com, or http://edelmanadmin.psni.com/p...orza%20Motorsport%203/

Among the more than 100 race cars in ?Forza Motorsport 3? announced today:

Manufacturer
Model

Audi
#2 Audi Sport North America R10 TDI

Audi
#2 FSI Champion Racing R8

Bentley
#7 Team Bentley Speed 8

BMW
#15 BMW Motorsport V12 LMR

Cadillac
#6 Team Cadillac Northstar LMP-02

Ferrari
#30 MOMO Doran Racing F333 SP

Peugeot
#8 Peugeot Sport 908

Peugeot
#3 Peugeot Talbot Sport 905 EVO 1C

Porsche
#17 Racing Porsche AG 962c

Toyota
#3 Toyota Motorsports GT-ONE TS020

Audi
#8 Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R10 TDI

Ferrari
#12 Risi Competizione F333 SP

 

[ivan2]

please let there be a Mazda R1 car.

 

[Queasy]

Here is the announcement of Circuit de la Sarthe on ForaMotorsport.net along with a gallery of the new track in action.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Let's see, Forza 3 adds:
- increasing the number of vehicles to 400 including trucks/SUVs and other cars.

Oh yes. Day one purchase. I missed my 700hp Ram 1500 Quadcab 4x4 from GT4 when I started playing Forza 2.

 

[Kabob]

They're adding trucks and SUV's? Now that's just stupid...methinks Forza is going the way of GT5...retarded.

Also, I notice on their list of included race cars that every single one of those is in Forza 2.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: kabob983
They're adding trucks and SUV's? Now that's just stupid...methinks Forza is going the way of GT5...retarded.

And what exactly is the "way of GT5"?

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Here is the announcement of Circuit de la Sarthe on ForaMotorsport.net along with a gallery of the new track in action.

Great news. I actual broke out GRID just to play La Sarthe this weekend, and I was reminded how much better a game Forza 2 is. Although, I hope that the Audi R15 gets added to the roster by the time Forza 3 is released.

edit: I really hope they don't add motion blur. It's a cool effect, but not for a racing game. I prefer visibility over flash.

 

[Queasy]

Update (7/1) - Some Japanese cars and tracks announced screenshots

Furious Turbo 4s
* 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR
* 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
* 2009 Mazda Mazdaspeed3

B-Segment Buzz Bombs
* 2008 Toyota Yaris S
* 2009 Honda Fit Sport
* 2009 Nissan Versa SL

Upscale Style Seekers
* 2010 Nissan 370Z
* 2008 Infiniti G37 Coupe Sport
* 2009 Lexus IS-F

Iconic JDM Racers
* #23 Xanavi Nismo Nissan GT-R
* #12 Calsonic Impul Nissan GT-R
* #3 YellowHat TMS Tomica Nissan GT-R
* #36 Petronas Tom?s Toyota SC430
* #25 Eclipse Advan Toyota SC430
* #6 Eneos Toyota SC430
* #23 Nissan Motorsports R390

Iconic JDM Tracks
* Suzuka Circuit
* Twin Ring Motegi
* Tsukuba Circuit

Also, post in this blog thread for a new unicorn.

 

[bdubyah]

Sweet. This game is looking really good. I hope it lives up to it.

 

[A5]

I can't wait to make a 500HP Honda Fit

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: A5
I can't wait to make a 500HP Honda Fit

I understand that the faster you press the A button the more you wind up the Yaris.

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: A5
I can't wait to make a 500HP Honda Fit

I understand that the faster you press the A button the more you wind up the Yaris.

I can't wait for someone to make a Nerd Herd Yaris. I would pay an infinite number of fake credits for it

 

[erwos]

Honda Fit confirmed? DAY ONE PURCHASE.

Seriously, this game is looking completely insane.

 

[Queasy]

What won't be in Forza 3? Weather, day/night cycles, and rally events. So says Forza team member in this appropriately titles post.

I'll Take "Things That Will Not Be In FM3" For $100, Alex...

Answer: Weather, day/night cycles, rally events... let me know if I forgot anything.



It's very simple: In marketing, you never hold back when talking about the features your product offers. Sometimes you only have one shot (*cough* E3 *cough*) to get this info out to potential customers. What you hold back is the details.

Here are some examples of features vs details...

Feature: 400 cars. Detail: Nissan GT-R.

Feature: Cockpit view. Detail: Removable steering wheel.

Feature: Painter leaderboards. Detail: Um... how it works, exactly.

Sometimes, something that was once considered a detail (e.g., the aforementioned cockpit view) can be so appealing that it becomes a feature. But once something is a feature, it's always a feature - it can never go back to being a detail. Weather, night racing and rally events have been features in console racers for some time now. If any of these things are in a racing game, believe me you'll know about it right off the bat.

Does anyone here honestly believe that a game developer would intentionally decline to inform gamers about the inclusion of features they universally desire on the biggest stage of the year for the video game industry? What possible benefit - economic or otherwise - could be obtained by doing this? It would be marketing suicide.

So, write this down: There will be no weather in FM3. There will be no day/night cycles in FM3. There will be no rally events in FM3.

Learn it. Love it. Live it.

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: Queasy
What won't be in Forza 3? Weather, day/night cycles, and rally events. So says Forza

This falls under the duh category. Unfortunatly, most of those that frequent those forums have thick skulls. And nothing else to do

 

[Imported]

Originally posted by: brainhulk
I apologize for the rant before hand...

Why didn't MS allow G25 use with the 360?. I refuse to buy the ms wheel because my g25 is mounted on my racing seat(playseats evolution). I know why it doesn't work, but why did MS have to be greedy and design the 360 this way...

Going back to controller driving is too difficult and just ruins the experience for me every time I try to get back into forza 2. Had I been able to use my g25, I might have been able
explore its racing engine more.

As it stands to me, Forza 2 is a far inferior driving experience than GT5P. I actually own an Evo X, GT5P on pro physics has a good handle of what it feels like to drive it.

/end hijack

Amen brother!

This is only reason I don't play Forza2 and why I haven't touched it since I bought my G25.

 

[Queasy]

Update (7/10) - Kotaku talks with Turn 10 about the all the multiplayer options.

More than anything, Forza Motorsport 3's greatest challenge is perhaps its greatest strength.

As racing franchises continue down a diminishing road of more, with detailed engine tuning, real world physics, realistic damage modeling and road wear, they often leave all but the most devoted fans of their games and autophiles in the dust.

But not increasing the realism, not giving what car fanatics need to get the full experience of driving and driving fast, often leads to bland diversions stripped of any right to be considered a simulation.

With Forza 3, developers Turn 10 Studios hope to make something for everyone. Instead of trying to blend the best of both worlds, the game makers have added so many options, so many helping hands that a gamer can create their own experience.

But how can that translate to the diverse world of online gaming? How can Mario Kart fans play Forza 3 in a way that requires little more than gas and steering online with those who expect an intimate knowledge of gear ratios and part selections from their drivers?

The issue of balancing the experience for hardcore and casual gamers in the same environment is solving a problem created by the developers themselves, said Korey Krauskopf, producer for Forza 3.

That long-tail of niche game development is more about trying to differentiate yourself in a crowded genre, than trying to satisfy gamers, Krauskopf said.

"I think that's more about developers trying to be different, not an indictment of the user," he said. "I think it's that game companies are making their games more specialized.

"We want to serve those who already enjoy our games and invite more in."

The problem, he says, is that people hear that a game like Forza is a "hardcore game" and to many that simply means hard to play.

That's why in Forza 3 the developers layered on assists, like auto-braking and one-button driving, he said. And why the game includes plenty of help for auto-tuning a car, if a player doesn't want to do it themselves.

For online gaming, tells Kotaku, Forza 3 features an incredibly elaborate race rules editor.

While the game will ship with a dozen or so pre-created race modes, everything about them, from the number of laps to start delays and what sort of assists a player can be using, can be changed.

"We have a whole bunch of options that just cascade," Krauskopf said. "There are pages and pages of options they can set to make the race exactly how you want it to be."

Krauskopf likens it to the ability first-person shooter fans have to manipulate the online game rules for Halo 3, but with much more control.

For example, most racing games allow players to choose a track, the car classes and the number of laps. In Forza 3, a gamer can take that basic race and choose to change the rules of how a winner is determined.

Krauskopf explains:
*First they could section everyone into two teams, one team will win.

*They could then decide that a specific person from each team must cross the finish line to determine who wins (we'll call this person the "mouse"), the rest of the players are just there to provide interference to the other team, or protection for their own team (we'll call them "cats").

*Then they could create still deeper challenges by limiting teams to specific car classes, tunings, assists, or upgrades.

*If they want to make things more interesting they can stagger the roll-off times from the start line giving some a head start.

*If the players want to be super specific about their race, they can limit the mice to D-class, front wheel drive European hatchbacks and the cats to all wheel drive turbocharged V10s.

"This results in players running in packs on a track, trying to protect their team's "mouse" and see it safely across the finish line first while trying keep the other team's mouse away from the finish line," Krauskopf said. "A very different type of race!"

The game's online modes have more than 100 rule types to tweak giving players an almost limitless ability to customize the way they want to play, he said.

Krauskopf says that the team expects once the game ships and gets into the hands of enthusiastic gamers they will begin to see far more creative combinations of the rules used to create modes they've never imagined.

Since these personalized race modes can only be saved locally, Krauskopf expects that some gamers will make a name for themselves as popular hosts for their custom races. He added that they are considering one day perhaps allowing gamers to save modes online, but right now have no plans to include that option.

Forza 3 will still include all of the Live support Forza 2 had as well. Other new additions to online play include a new party system that allows gamers to hop into one room and then jump from race to race together.

The team has also worked to blur the line between the game's offline and online modes when it comes to a player's career.

"As people are playing online they are still earning experience points and getting rewarded for in-game credit," he said.

Finally, the game will feature a robust set of leaderboards that will take into account how assisted a driver is when racing, so those hardcore fans can steal easily identify "clean" and skilled drivers from those who win with the help of the game.

"We are going to certify score boards, showing you who use assists, and which are totally clean times," Krauskopf said. "Thats how we serve the people who are our real loyal fan base."

And what about all of those casual racers who might flood into Forza's online racing world when Forza 3 hits?

"If you have someone who really wants to race as realistic as you can get he is going to set up a lobby with restrictions, saying we're going to outlaw one button driving and stock car and only allow cars that have been tuned. "

The challenge, he says, is that the team wants to make sure that the detail and depth is there for those who want to dig into it, but obscured from those who may be put off by it.

"We face challenges," he said. "Educating users who think that Mario Kart is quick to use and fun to play and Forza is for hardcore people, so no you can't have a good time playing it."

Krauskopf respects what Nintendo is doing with demo mode, a mode Shigeru Miyamoto first confirmed to Kotaku at E3 was coming to New Super Mario Bros. Wii, which allows a game to essentially play itself.

"What Nintendo is doing with Demo Mode is interesting," he said. "You are building a feature that allows anyone to play the game, but you don't get that badge of honor if you use it."

It's, essentially, a more extreme version of what Turn 10 is doing with Forza 3 online play.

"We are giving everyone the ability to enjoy the game," he said. "But not taking anything away from our fan base."

 

[Lotheron]

*They could then decide that a specific person from each team must cross the finish line to determine who wins (we'll call this person the "mouse"), the rest of the players are just there to provide interference to the other team, or protection for their own team (we'll call them "cats").

Looks like official Cat and Mouse

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Krauskopf explains:
*First they could section everyone into two teams, one team will win.

*They could then decide that a specific person from each team must cross the finish line to determine who wins (we'll call this person the "mouse"), the rest of the players are just there to provide interference to the other team, or protection for their own team (we'll call them "cats").

*Then they could create still deeper challenges by limiting teams to specific car classes, tunings, assists, or upgrades.

*If they want to make things more interesting they can stagger the roll-off times from the start line giving some a head start.

*If the players want to be super specific about their race, they can limit the mice to D-class, front wheel drive European hatchbacks and the cats to all wheel drive turbocharged V10s.

"This results in players running in packs on a track, trying to protect their team's "mouse" and see it safely across the finish line first while trying keep the other team's mouse away from the finish line," Krauskopf said. "A very different type of race!"

Built in blingy Cat and Mouse rules? Yes please!

 

[Queasy]

Latest update from Turn 10 gives us details on Luxury SUVs, Sedans, and Coupes that we'll see in Forza 3. Pics and more details in the link.

Sport Luxury SUVs:
2009 BMW X5 xDrive 4.8i
2008 Land Rover Range Rover Sport
2009 Audi Q7 V12 TDI
2009 Mercedes ML63 AMG
2009 Porsche Cayenne Turbo S
2008 Volkswagen Touareg R50

Sporty Luxury Sedans & Coupes
2009 BMW M5 E60
2009 Jaguar XKR-S
2009 Mercedes SL65 AMG Black Series
2009 Cadillac CTS-V
2008 Chrysler 300C SRT-8
2009 Pontiac G8 GXP

 

[blurredvision]

Holy shit....is it sad that I'll now probably buy this game simply because the 09 G8 GXP will be in the game? I gotta drive that thing somehow!