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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
You definately DON'T want a raise in minimum wage. That is straight out of socialism.

Well, it's not just that. Oregon's minimum wage would go up according to the cost of living in major cities. That's how it's worded. Not Oregon's major cities, just "major cities." That means Oregon's minimum wage will go up because of a raise in the cost of living in Los Angeles or New York. Or Denver. Or Seattle. Or Boston. Or Tampa. Or Atlanta.

Get it?

:|

Stupid Oregonians that don't read. Besides, I wouldn't vote for a minimum wage anyway. That makes employers raise the price of their goods to compensate for the higher wages. Which, in turn, makes you pay more. And, unless I'm making minimum wage, all it does is raise the cost of living for ME. :|

nik
What is the Minimum Wage there in Oregon?
 

glenn1

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On the other hand, if it doesn't then he'll get his ass handed to him just like Jimmy Carter did when he faced Ronald Reagan on 1980.

Bush might lose if that comes to pass, but he won't lose that big. I think you might have forgotten just how badly Reagan beat both Carter and Mondale.
 

Corn

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Paltroll does not speak for the Republican party.

I believe that Paltroll will be quite dissolutioned when the Pubs, as Red has already noted, ignore the requests of the fringe element of their party.

Paltroll, the Democrats need religion, perhaps it would be most prudent of you to effect such from the inside of their party, for lo, the Pubs will abandon you. LOL!!!!!!!!
 

Lucky

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The move towards the center of the Political spectrum is what enabled the Republicans to win the Senate back. Dole in North Carolina and Coleman in Minnesota are two prime examples of that.

One thing for certain, if the economy continues to falter the next two years Bush won't be able to blame the Democrats for it. If the economy recovers and the upcoming war against Iraq goes well he'll easily win the next presidential election. On the other hand, if it doesn't then he'll get his ass handed to him just like Jimmy Carter did when he faced Ronald Reagan on 1980.



Yes, I agree. I really do hope its the former, because I really believe if the republicans can pick up a few more seats and get the ball rolling, they can pass some broad ranging tax reform. I've been reading that as soon as 2005 bush hopes to start pushing an overhaul of the tax code that would include options from a flat tax to no tax for for those earning under 100K.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
dissolutioned
You mean disillusioned? And why would he be disillusioned with the Pubs? The Dems have been letting us down for years.

nik
Because now that the Republicans are the party of choice for the majority of Americans they can ignore the Bible Thumping Humps like PalTroll and his ilk.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The move towards the center of the Political spectrum is what enabled the Republicans to win the Senate back. Dole in North Carolina and Coleman in Minnesota are two prime examples of that.

One thing for certain, if the economy continues to falter the next two years Bush won't be able to blame the Democrats for it. If the economy recovers and the upcoming war against Iraq goes well he'll easily win the next presidential election. On the other hand, if it doesn't then he'll get his ass handed to him just like Jimmy Carter did when he faced Ronald Reagan on 1980.



Yes, I agree. I really do hope its the former, because I really believe if the republicans can pick up a few more seats and get the ball rolling, they can pass some broad ranging tax reform. I've been reading that as soon as 2005 bush hopes to start pushing an overhaul of the tax code that would include options from a flat tax to no tax for for those earning under 100K.
No tax for those making under $100,000 a year? Where did you read that? I doubt that those in control of the Republican Party would stand for that!
 

Lucky

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The move towards the center of the Political spectrum is what enabled the Republicans to win the Senate back. Dole in North Carolina and Coleman in Minnesota are two prime examples of that.

One thing for certain, if the economy continues to falter the next two years Bush won't be able to blame the Democrats for it. If the economy recovers and the upcoming war against Iraq goes well he'll easily win the next presidential election. On the other hand, if it doesn't then he'll get his ass handed to him just like Jimmy Carter did when he faced Ronald Reagan on 1980.



Yes, I agree. I really do hope its the former, because I really believe if the republicans can pick up a few more seats and get the ball rolling, they can pass some broad ranging tax reform. I've been reading that as soon as 2005 bush hopes to start pushing an overhaul of the tax code that would include options from a flat tax to no tax for for those earning under 100K.
No tax for those making under $100,000 a year? Where did you read that? I doubt that those in control of the Republican Party would stand for that!



Wall street journal, yesterday. It was the result of a study commissed by the bush administration, I think. I'll dig it up for more information.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
dissolutioned
You mean disillusioned? And why would he be disillusioned with the Pubs? The Dems have been letting us down for years.

nik
Because now that the Republicans are the party of choice for the majority of Americans they can ignore the Bible Thumping Humps like PalTroll and his ilk.

Yikes! Papercuts on mah thang!!! Oh ... wait, you said thumping humps, not... eh, nevermind.

Still... since this is an equal opportunity country, let's give the R's a chance to fsck up the country like the Dems usually do. ;)

nik
 

bGIveNs33

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Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The move towards the center of the Political spectrum is what enabled the Republicans to win the Senate back. Dole in North Carolina and Coleman in Minnesota are two prime examples of that.

One thing for certain, if the economy continues to falter the next two years Bush won't be able to blame the Democrats for it. If the economy recovers and the upcoming war against Iraq goes well he'll easily win the next presidential election. On the other hand, if it doesn't then he'll get his ass handed to him just like Jimmy Carter did when he faced Ronald Reagan on 1980.



Yes, I agree. I really do hope its the former, because I really believe if the republicans can pick up a few more seats and get the ball rolling, they can pass some broad ranging tax reform. I've been reading that as soon as 2005 bush hopes to start pushing an overhaul of the tax code that would include options from a flat tax to no tax for for those earning under 100K.
No tax for those making under $100,000 a year? Where did you read that? I doubt that those in control of the Republican Party would stand for that!



Wall street journal, yesterday. It was the result of a study commissed by the bush administration, I think. I'll dig it up for more information.

Please do... i would like to read it also. I certainly wouldn't stand for that.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
dissolutioned
You mean disillusioned? And why would he be disillusioned with the Pubs? The Dems have been letting us down for years.

nik
Because now that the Republicans are the party of choice for the majority of Americans they can ignore the Bible Thumping Humps like PalTroll and his ilk.

Yikes! Papercuts on mah thang!!! Oh ... wait, you said thumping humps, not... eh, nevermind.

Still... since this is an equal opportunity country, let's give the R's a chance to fsck up the country like the Dems usually do. ;)

nik
Well hopefully they won't. If they do then we as Americans are in pretty bad shape because niether party will have been able to run the country effectively.
 

Lucky

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ok, from the monday WSJ. page a9:

"the bush administration also has plans for far-reaching changes in the us tax code, which are a long shot under any scenario. But they stand a far better chance if republicans are in charge of both chambers. Mr. bush already has been briefed on ambitious options being develpoed at the treasury department, such as replacing the personal income tax with a national sales tax, or the value added taxes common in europe. another possibility: eliminating many deductions and credits to bring personal income tax rates down further, particularly for the well-paid.

one proposal getting scrutiny at the treasury was crafted by michael fraetz, a yale law school professor who was a top tax adviser in the first bush administration. she would impose a value added tax to replace much of the revenue from the income tax and liberate more than 100 million taxpayers from filing any tax return at all. he would then impose a lower rate income tax on couples making more than 100K and singles over 50K".


Sorry, I was a bit off but that's the basic gist.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
You definately DON'T want a raise in minimum wage. That is straight out of socialism.

Well, it's not just that. Oregon's minimum wage would go up according to the cost of living in major cities. That's how it's worded. Not Oregon's major cities, just "major cities." That means Oregon's minimum wage will go up because of a raise in the cost of living in Los Angeles or New York. Or Denver. Or Seattle. Or Boston. Or Tampa. Or Atlanta.

Get it?

:|

Stupid Oregonians that don't read. Besides, I wouldn't vote for a minimum wage anyway. That makes employers raise the price of their goods to compensate for the higher wages. Which, in turn, makes you pay more. And, unless I'm making minimum wage, all it does is raise the cost of living for ME. :|

nik

Yep, this is the stupidity of the "living wage" argument. You and others making more than minimum will take the increased cost of living to your bosses and demand raises. Most, if not all will eventually get them.

So what has increasing the minimum wage gained us? Nothing but inflation. Those making minimum are right back where they started... and we dance the dance again.

That's another thing Bag'o'bitch has promised to do in IL, raise the minimum wage. Guess what will be the first thing I, and other business owners do? RAISE OUR PRICES to cover the cost. If we can't raise the prices high enough to cover the cost and remain competitive, guess what we'll do? LAY OFF WORKERS and CUT HOURS.
 

Lucky

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Amused, he is going to fail miserably. I dont think there is any possible way he can keep his 1 billion dollars in new campaign promises and balance the budget. Sh!t,the guy couldnt even keep track of his promises, I was watching a PBS inteview of his and he couldnt even come up with his own estimate of how much they would cost, he just kept denying that the tribune "shopping list" numbers were not correct.

what a sleezebag. he won through dirty tactics like that AFL-CIO flyers and that disgusting attack on ryan calling him responsible for the deaths of those 6 kids...not to mention the city workers campaigning for him on city time using city trucks. :frown:
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
You definately DON'T want a raise in minimum wage. That is straight out of socialism.

Well, it's not just that. Oregon's minimum wage would go up according to the cost of living in major cities. That's how it's worded. Not Oregon's major cities, just "major cities." That means Oregon's minimum wage will go up because of a raise in the cost of living in Los Angeles or New York. Or Denver. Or Seattle. Or Boston. Or Tampa. Or Atlanta.

Get it?

:|

Stupid Oregonians that don't read. Besides, I wouldn't vote for a minimum wage anyway. That makes employers raise the price of their goods to compensate for the higher wages. Which, in turn, makes you pay more. And, unless I'm making minimum wage, all it does is raise the cost of living for ME. :|

nik

Yep, this is the stupidity of the "living wage" argument. You and others making more than minimum will take the increased cost of living to your bosses and demand raises. Most, if not all will eventually get them.

So what has increasing the minimum wage gained us? Nothing but inflation. Those making minimum are right back where they started... and we dance the dance again.

That's another thing Bag'o'bitch has promised to do in IL, raise the minimum wage. Guess what will be the first thing I, and other business owners do? RAISE OUR PRICES to cover the cost. If we can't raise the prices high enough to cover the cost and remain competitive, guess what we'll do? LAY OFF WORKERS and CUT HOURS.

Not just that, but Oregon farmers barely make enough to keep their trade going as it is. If this passes, farms are going to start shutting down like CRAZY. :(

nik
 

Nitemare

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Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
CNN is saying Davis will take cali for gov....

how this guy is staying gov. is amazing


simple...dumb and dumber. It's a shame that California does not have none of the above on the ballot. It would probably win by a land slide.
 

cmdavid

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South Dakota senate race still undecided?? CNN is reporting a 500 vote difference.... with Thune (rep) trailing...
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
CNN is saying Davis will take cali for gov....

how this guy is staying gov. is amazing


simple...dumb and dumber. It's a shame that California does not have none of the above on the ballot. It would probably win by a land slide.
Well if the Ca Republicans would have nominated Riordan instead of Simple Simon I can assure you the Riordan would have beat Davis as he would have gotten a lot of the Democratic Moderates vote. Th enenrgy crisis was one thing but when it was followed up by the Oracle Debacle Davis's stock really went down , even among the Dermocrats in the State. However when faced with a lightweight like Simon who hadn't even voted in 13 of the last 20 elections Davis was the lesser of the two evils. That it was even close shows the dissatisfaction Californians had with Davis.

 

LH

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Yeah its probably going to be recounted but it looks like Thune is going to lose by a very narrow vote.
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: sandigga
South Dakota senate race still undecided?? CNN is reporting a 500 vote difference.... with Thune (rep) trailing...

the SD election web site that i was looking at last night seems to be gone :/
 

MrPALCO

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This election also served to forever silence any credibility Democrats in the 2000 Presidential election had with regard to the legitimacy of the Bush win.

Well done Mr. President, the Nation has rejected the godless ways of the Democrats.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: MrPALCO
This election also served to forever silence any credibility Democrats in the 2000 Presidential election had with regard to the legitimacy of the Bush win.

Well done Mr. President, the Nation has rejected the godless ways of the Democrats.
Ah ignorance rears it's ugly head again in the form of MrPaltroll. Religion was not on the agenda this election. You hitching your religious agenda to this election is just like a parasite attaching itself to a host. These is no benefit to the host. In fact it is detrimental to the host.
 

Lucky

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Religion was not on the agenda this election.

It wasnt highly touted, for sure, but Bush has spoken about his plan to funnel federal money to religious charities. What are they called, "faith-based iniatives"?
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