Official Election Results Thread

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Religion was not on the agenda this election.

It wasnt highly touted, for sure, but Bush has spoken about his plan to funnel federal money to religious charities. What are they called, "faith-based iniatives"?

That, like Ashcrofts appointment as AG, was just payback to the Ridiculous..err Religious Right for his election in 2000. Now with the move to the center by the Republican Party resulting in the American Voters preference for the Republican Party, he owes those on the Lunatic Fringe nothing and can close his ears to their BS agenda...hopefully!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Religion was not on the agenda this election.

It wasnt highly touted, for sure, but Bush has spoken about his plan to funnel federal money to religious charities. What are they called, "faith-based iniatives"?

Which FYI have been far more effective in helping people. Frankly if they want to give money to someone who genuinely wants to help, let them. Religious beliefs do not rule out compassion. And if someone wants to eventually consider a religious way of life because of an example of a caring person, I would say that is none of our business as long as they are not coerced.

 

[LH]

I still dont think Ashcroft will be AG for the full four years. Hes pissed off the White House more than once.

 

[CantedValve]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn[/bPalTroll and other Bible Thumping Humps like him are as much of an embarrassment to the Republicans as Jesse Jackson is to the Democrats. In fact PalTroll and his like actually have more in common with the "Reverend" Jackson than they do with the typical Republican. They both are members of the Hysterical Lunatic Fringe of their respective parties. They are like the crazy Uncle who is kept locked up in the Attic because when they are let loose they tend to run amok embarrassing the family. The main difference is that the Republicans now can ignore their Crazy Uncle while the Democrats can't because their Crazy Uncle has the keys to unlock the door of the attic.

What do you consider a "Bible Thumping Hump?" Do all Christians fall into that category? Only certain ones? I have to assume Jerry Falwell drops in there... I don't particularly care for him either.

Just curious as to who fits into your category.

 

[CantedValve]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Well one thing I can agree with you on, CantedValve, is that it better to say something stupid than be made to look stupid.

Well regardless, I am pleased that you found the ability to pull that Republican lever yesterday

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: CantedValve

Originally posted by: Red DawnPalTroll and other Bible Thumping Humps like him are as much of an embarrassment to the Republicans as Jesse Jackson is to the Democrats. In fact PalTroll and his like actually have more in common with the "Reverend" Jackson than they do with the typical Republican. They both are members of the Hysterical Lunatic Fringe of their respective parties. They are like the crazy Uncle who is kept locked up in the Attic because when they are let loose they tend to run amok embarrassing the family. The main difference is that the Republicans now can ignore their Crazy Uncle while the Democrats can't because their Crazy Uncle has the keys to unlock the door of the attic.

What do you consider a "Bible Thumping Hump?" Do all Christians fall into that category? Only certain ones? I have to assume Jerry Falwell drops in there... I don't particularly care for him either.

Just curious as to who fits into your category.

He doesn't like any Christian who walks around forcing their opinion on others. Or simply talking about their religion, for that matter. If it were up to RipeDouche, he'd have all Christians' mouthes glued shut.

nik

 

[CantedValve]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

dissolutioned

You mean disillusioned? And why would he be disillusioned with the Pubs? The Dems have been letting us down for years.

nik

Because now that the Republicans are the party of choice for the majority of Americans they can ignore the Bible Thumping Humps like PalTroll and his ilk.

Yikes! Papercuts on mah thang!!! Oh ... wait, you said thumping humps, not... eh, nevermind.

Still... since this is an equal opportunity country, let's give the R's a chance to fsck up the country like the Dems usually do.

nik

YEAH!! We want our chance to mess stuff up too!!

 

[CantedValve]

Originally posted by: MrPALCO
This election also served to forever silence any credibility Democrats in the 2000 Presidential election had with regard to the legitimacy of the Bush win.

Well done Mr. President, the Nation has rejected the godless ways of the Democrats.

This doesnt really address the legitimacy question (no question IMHO), but it is a HUGE vote of confidence and approval for the President and his party from the American people.

 

[CantedValve]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Religion was not on the agenda this election.

It wasnt highly touted, for sure, but Bush has spoken about his plan to funnel federal money to religious charities. What are they called, "faith-based iniatives"?

The fact that religious institutions are excluded is ridiculous..... IF AND ONLY IF that institution can make a distinction between providing a service to the public and ministering to the public. As one who has participated in these programs through my church, it happens everyday (public service w/o ministry). It can be done. If a muslim organization wants to serve the public the same way that Christains serve the public (w/o religious influence), they should be as entitled to the money as anyone else.

This isn't about religion. It is about funding organizations that do REAL GOOD for the public (usually aimed at the poor and homeless).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

[/quote] This doesnt really address the legitimacy question (no question IMHO), but it is a HUGE vote of confidence and approval for the President and his party from the American people.[/quote]

Well, I would not go that far, the closeness of many races suggests that the Republicans may be the lesser of two evils. Hardly a mandate or fuzzy feeling of support for the current administration. While I could not support the Democrats in this election, neither did I love the Republicans. Again, another Hobson's choice.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: CantedValve

Originally posted by: Red DawnPalTroll and other Bible Thumping Humps like him are as much of an embarrassment to the Republicans as Jesse Jackson is to the Democrats. In fact PalTroll and his like actually have more in common with the "Reverend" Jackson than they do with the typical Republican. They both are members of the Hysterical Lunatic Fringe of their respective parties. They are like the crazy Uncle who is kept locked up in the Attic because when they are let loose they tend to run amok embarrassing the family. The main difference is that the Republicans now can ignore their Crazy Uncle while the Democrats can't because their Crazy Uncle has the keys to unlock the door of the attic.

What do you consider a "Bible Thumping Hump?" Do all Christians fall into that category? Only certain ones? I have to assume Jerry Falwell drops in there... I don't particularly care for him either.

Just curious as to who fits into your category.

He doesn't like any Christian who walks around forcing their opinion on others. Or simply talking about their religion, for that matter. If it were up to RipeDouche, he'd have all Christians' mouthes glued shut.

nik

Not just Christians zealots nik, all religious zealots. Fundies who try to push their relgious agenda off on those who aren't interested by means of legislation are the worse...well second only to those who blow up buildings and fly planes into high rises.

As for wanting to glue Christians mouths shut, that isn't the case. But their religion also doesn't qualify as an answer to all things either...at least for me and many who would rather not be witnessed too.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Well, I'm glad that since you don't want to be witnessed to, that you think all fundies don't have the right to spout their crap. I don't like a lot of them (or a lot of your kind) either, but atleast I can just ignore them.

nik

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

This doesnt really address the legitimacy question (no question IMHO), but it is a HUGE vote of confidence and approval for the President and his party from the American people.[/quote]

Well, I would not go that far, the closeness of many races suggests that the Republicans may be the lesser of two evils. Hardly a mandate or fuzzy feeling of support for the current administration. While I could not support the Democrats in this election, neither did I love the Republicans. Again, another Hobson's choice.[/quote]Hahaha. It's not like we elected a bunch of Marvelous Individuals. First of all they are politicians which come in a close second to Lawyers as the least trustworthy of all occupations. Secondly they are mostly partisan sheep who follow the party line and probably care more for the Lobbyist concerns than they do their constituency. Of course they aren't democrats who are just as bad to some even worse.

 

[JellyBaby]

Not just Christians zealots nik, all religious zealots. Fundies who try to push their relgious agenda off on those who aren't interested by means of legislation are the worse...well second only to those who blow up buildings and fly planes into high rises.

Repent, Red, and you will be forgiven.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Well, I'm glad that since you don't want to be witnessed to, that you think all fundies don't have the right to spout their crap. I don't like a lot of them (or a lot of your kind) either, but atleast I can just ignore them.

nik

Eyah I see you ignoring people who think differently than you all the time here at ATOT nik

Does the word "Hypocrite" mean anything to you? If it doesn't go take a long look in the mirror, you see exactly what one looks like!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

Not just Christians zealots nik, all religious zealots. Fundies who try to push their relgious agenda off on those who aren't interested by means of legislation are the worse...well second only to those who blow up buildings and fly planes into high rises.

Repent, Red, and you will be forgiven.

It could be worse, it could be this Chester!

 

[Martin]

well, republicans must have a smile on their face today!

 

[denali]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
You definately DON'T want a raise in minimum wage. That is straight out of socialism.

Well, it's not just that. Oregon's minimum wage would go up according to the cost of living in major cities. That's how it's worded. Not Oregon's major cities, just "major cities." That means Oregon's minimum wage will go up because of a raise in the cost of living in Los Angeles or New York. Or Denver. Or Seattle. Or Boston. Or Tampa. Or Atlanta.

Get it?

:|

Stupid Oregonians that don't read. Besides, I wouldn't vote for a minimum wage anyway. That makes employers raise the price of their goods to compensate for the higher wages. Which, in turn, makes you pay more. And, unless I'm making minimum wage, all it does is raise the cost of living for ME. :|

nik

Yep, this is the stupidity of the "living wage" argument. You and others making more than minimum will take the increased cost of living to your bosses and demand raises. Most, if not all will eventually get them.

So what has increasing the minimum wage gained us? Nothing but inflation. Those making minimum are right back where they started... and we dance the dance again.

That's another thing Bag'o'bitch has promised to do in IL, raise the minimum wage. Guess what will be the first thing I, and other business owners do? RAISE OUR PRICES to cover the cost. If we can't raise the prices high enough to cover the cost and remain competitive, guess what we'll do? LAY OFF WORKERS and CUT HOURS.

Not just that, but Oregon farmers barely make enough to keep their trade going as it is. If this passes, farms are going to start shutting down like CRAZY.

nik

If the farmers cannot compete on the global market they should go out of business, just like any other business. Why do farmers feel like they should be able to make as much as possible when prices are high but should be subsidies when prices are low. Low food prices to more good then harm.

 

[Moonbeam]

Seems to me there's a lot of wishful thinking going on here. My personal take is that MrPALCO won the election. I don't anticipate a Republican move to the center at all. My interpretation is that the election will be seen as a confirmation and green light to the Fundamentalist Right and that Bush and company will move farther there with each passing day. To see it otherwise strikes me as the dreams of the naive, the imagination of the insane who expect from the same action a different result.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: denali

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33 You definately DON'T want a raise in minimum wage. That is straight out of socialism.

Well, it's not just that. Oregon's minimum wage would go up according to the cost of living in major cities. That's how it's worded. Not Oregon's major cities, just "major cities." That means Oregon's minimum wage will go up because of a raise in the cost of living in Los Angeles or New York. Or Denver. Or Seattle. Or Boston. Or Tampa. Or Atlanta. Get it? :| Stupid Oregonians that don't read. Besides, I wouldn't vote for a minimum wage anyway. That makes employers raise the price of their goods to compensate for the higher wages. Which, in turn, makes you pay more. And, unless I'm making minimum wage, all it does is raise the cost of living for ME. :| nik

Yep, this is the stupidity of the "living wage" argument. You and others making more than minimum will take the increased cost of living to your bosses and demand raises. Most, if not all will eventually get them. So what has increasing the minimum wage gained us? Nothing but inflation. Those making minimum are right back where they started... and we dance the dance again. That's another thing Bag'o'bitch has promised to do in IL, raise the minimum wage. Guess what will be the first thing I, and other business owners do? RAISE OUR PRICES to cover the cost. If we can't raise the prices high enough to cover the cost and remain competitive, guess what we'll do? LAY OFF WORKERS and CUT HOURS.

Not just that, but Oregon farmers barely make enough to keep their trade going as it is. If this passes, farms are going to start shutting down like CRAZY. nik

If the farmers cannot compete on the global market they should go out of business, just like any other business. Why do farmers feel like they should be able to make as much as possible when prices are high but should be subsidies when prices are low. Low food prices to more good then harm.

Don't eat much do you? First we become depedent on foreign oil, because the market says it is good. Now you want to do the same with food. True genius. Some follow the "market" as if it were God. Thus sayeth the Market. Behold the farmers go out of business and the Market saw it was good. Markets and capitalism are notorious for lack of vision. So are some AT members.

 

[Vic]

Oregon update:
with 92% reporting, Kulongoski (D) has pulled ahead of Mannix (R) in the race for governor by almost 20,000 votes.
Link

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider



Don't eat much do you? First we become depedent on foreign oil, because the market says it is good. Now you want to do the same with food. True genius. Some follow the "market" as if it were God. Thus sayeth the Market. Behold the farmers go out of business and the Market saw it was good. Markets and capitalism are notorious for lack of vision. So are some AT members.

True, but food is a renewable resource that can be "tapped" from almost anywhere. If the international markets become a problem, costs will rise, and it will be profitable to farm in Oregon once again.

 

[MazaarBubbla]

did they vote to legalize cannabis

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MazaarBubbla
did they vote to legalize cannabis

Of course not.

nik

 

[CantedValve]

Well, if you really want to analyze it... the best thing to do to tie the hands of both parties would be to lock the Congress up in gridlock so that mothing can get done. But the American people didnt do that. They decided to end the gridlock in favor of Republican control. Seems to me that signals support for the conservative agenda. When maintaining the status quo is such an easy task, and it isnt done, that is saying something.