Official Biden for VP Thread

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

I'm not saying it's terrible, I'm saying it contradicts his whole campaign message.

It's kind of funny how 71 is too old to be a president but but 65 is great for a VP.

Do any of you Dems see the irony or are you all blind to it?


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One thing I see some people do with the law is mistaking the literal with the spiritual. People exploit the former and honor the latter, at their discretion (sometimes without even realizing it).

You are confusing his literal rhetoric with his point. He wants leaders to work for their constituents, not special interests. Of course, he will need the help of those inside because no outsider can change such a system by itself.

Honestly, I think he really means good competent governance rather than governing with the bias of a slim majority like Bush has done for 8 years.

Please clean up multiple quotes. Not everyone has 24" Monitors.

PC Surgeon
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[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

I'm not saying it's terrible, I'm saying it contradicts his whole campaign message.

It's kind of funny how 71 is too old to be a president but but 65 is great for a VP.

Do any of you Dems see the irony or are you all blind to it?

So wait a minute, you're saying that Democrats are complaining about McCain because they don't want someone of his old age in such an important position. Then you turn around and ask if we can see the irony of them nominating someone younger into a less important position? No, I don't think we can see the irony... because I'm not even sure where it would be.

Even if they nominated a 71 year old to be president tomorrow it wouldn't be irony, it would be hypocrisy. Tip: Irony is when a fire extinguisher factory burns down, things like that.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

I'm not saying it's terrible, I'm saying it contradicts his whole campaign message.

It's kind of funny how 71 is too old to be a president but but 65 is great for a VP.

Do any of you Dems see the irony or are you all blind to it?

So wait a minute, you're saying that Democrats are complaining about McCain because they don't want someone of his old age in such an important position. Then you turn around and ask if we can see the irony of them nominating someone younger into a less important position? No, I don't think we can see the irony... because I'm not even sure where it would be.

Even if they nominated a 71 year old to be president tomorrow it wouldn't be irony, it would be hypocrisy. Tip: Irony is when a fire extinguisher factory burns down, things like that.

Irony is when you run on change and against the Washington establishment and choose a life long Washington politician to be a running mate.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Post partisanship, yeah that's Obama.

Enlighten me, how is he partisan?

Are you serious?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

I'm not saying it's terrible, I'm saying it contradicts his whole campaign message.

It's kind of funny how 71 is too old to be a president but but 65 is great for a VP.

Do any of you Dems see the irony or are you all blind to it?

So wait a minute, you're saying that Democrats are complaining about McCain because they don't want someone of his old age in such an important position. Then you turn around and ask if we can see the irony of them nominating someone younger into a less important position? No, I don't think we can see the irony... because I'm not even sure where it would be.

Even if they nominated a 71 year old to be president tomorrow it wouldn't be irony, it would be hypocrisy. Tip: Irony is when a fire extinguisher factory burns down, things like that.

Irony is when you run on change and against the Washington establishment and choose a life long Washington politician to be a running mate.

No it's really not at all. Irony is a discordance between actions and the actual outcome. What you are trying to complain about is hypocrisy, not irony. But let's be honest here. We both know that you would have attacked Obama no matter who he chose as his running mate. The only thing you needed to know was if you were going to attack him for doubling down on inexperience or if you were going to attack the experienced running mate for being a member of the "Washington establishment".

You're pre-programmed and you're desperately seeking for a way to justify a decision you made a long time ago. I know you don't like Obama, so don't vote for him. Your desperate attempts to latch on to anything you think you can twist to be against him is getting pretty boring though. All it leads to is you putting forth things that are either poorly thought out or childish, or both.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is true comedy. People criticize obama for lack of experience and then he goes and picks a candidate with gobs of experience in the area of greatest criticism and now it shows a lack of confidence. Some people just cannot be reasoned with, can they? Their hate will also rationalize itself.

Obama's campaign message is "CHANGE" and getting away from the establishment and I see no better way to show commitment to that message than to choose somebody that has been a professional politician for the last 30 years(?), they have been critical of McCain's age so he goes with a 65 y/o.

So, basically he cannot win. Either he lacks experience or lacks confidence.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Queasy
Hah - The McCain campaign already had a commercial ready.

:laugh:

I'd laugh if it wasn't so ridiculous. No matter who McCain chooses there will be just as much if not more ammo of this sort to use. And so many VP picks in the past have done the same thing. It hasn't mattered then and it won't now. Christ people.

Oh yes, the failed logic that says I must be a McCain supporter if I'm not an Obama supporter. Pffft. :disgust:

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

I'm not saying it's terrible, I'm saying it contradicts his whole campaign message.

It's kind of funny how 71 is too old to be a president but but 65 is great for a VP.

Do any of you Dems see the irony or are you all blind to it?

So wait a minute, you're saying that Democrats are complaining about McCain because they don't want someone of his old age in such an important position. Then you turn around and ask if we can see the irony of them nominating someone younger into a less important position? No, I don't think we can see the irony... because I'm not even sure where it would be.

Even if they nominated a 71 year old to be president tomorrow it wouldn't be irony, it would be hypocrisy. Tip: Irony is when a fire extinguisher factory burns down, things like that.

Irony is when you run on change and against the Washington establishment and choose a life long Washington politician to be a running mate.

No it's really not at all. Irony is a discordance between actions and the actual outcome. What you are trying to complain about is hypocrisy, not irony. But let's be honest here. We both know that you would have attacked Obama no matter who he chose as his running mate. The only thing you needed to know was if you were going to attack him for doubling down on inexperience or if you were going to attack the experienced running mate for being a member of the "Washington establishment".

You're pre-programmed and you're desperately seeking for a way to justify a decision you made a long time ago. I know you don't like Obama, so don't vote for him. Your desperate attempts to latch on to anything you think you can twist to be against him is getting pretty boring though. All it leads to is you putting forth things that are either poorly thought out or childish, or both.

irony
irony a subtly humorous perception of inconsistency, in which an apparently straightforward statement or event is undermined by its context so as to give it a very different significance.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is true comedy. People criticize obama for lack of experience and then he goes and picks a candidate with gobs of experience in the area of greatest criticism and now it shows a lack of confidence. Some people just cannot be reasoned with, can they? Their hate will also rationalize itself.

Obama's campaign message is "CHANGE" and getting away from the establishment and I see no better way to show commitment to that message than to choose somebody that has been a professional politician for the last 30 years(?), they have been critical of McCain's age so he goes with a 65 y/o.

So, basically he cannot win. Either he lacks experience or lacks confidence.

In respect to his campaign message?

 

[Dari]

How'd you know my monitor size?:shocked:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

No it's really not at all. Irony is a discordance between actions and the actual outcome. What you are trying to complain about is hypocrisy, not irony. But let's be honest here. We both know that you would have attacked Obama no matter who he chose as his running mate. The only thing you needed to know was if you were going to attack him for doubling down on inexperience or if you were going to attack the experienced running mate for being a member of the "Washington establishment".

You're pre-programmed and you're desperately seeking for a way to justify a decision you made a long time ago. I know you don't like Obama, so don't vote for him. Your desperate attempts to latch on to anything you think you can twist to be against him is getting pretty boring though. All it leads to is you putting forth things that are either poorly thought out or childish, or both.

irony
irony a subtly humorous perception of inconsistency, in which an apparently straightforward statement or event is undermined by its context so as to give it a very different significance.

Yeap. So how is this ironic again?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Conky
Looks like I just made a hunsky. I won't put it in my sig but it's on and no paypal, I want a USPS money order.

Nice going. I already made a hundred bucks off Hillary's failure. This is a lock.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: rchiu
dumb dumb dumb political move. Biden doesn't give Obama women vote, Biden doesn't give Hispanic vote, Biden comes from Delaware with 3 electoral vote, Biden isn't a national name and barely made a dent in any Democratic primary, and his name isn't strong enough to give Obama working class vote.

We have many polls these days having Obama and McCain in virtual tie. If McCain is smart and pick someone women voter would go for, he would have the advantage.

And if Democrat loss this election, I'd say it is a hopeless party that wasted every single political advantage handed by Bush and his disastrous presidency.

Uh... Biden has been a champion for women's issues in the Senate for decades.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Queasy
Hah - The McCain campaign already had a commercial ready.

:laugh:

I'd laugh if it wasn't so ridiculous. No matter who McCain chooses there will be just as much if not more ammo of this sort to use. And so many VP picks in the past have done the same thing. It hasn't mattered then and it won't now. Christ people.

Oh yes, the failed logic that says I must be a McCain supporter if I'm not an Obama supporter. Pffft. :disgust:

Seriously, your logic is non existent if you think I believe you're a McCain supporter. I hardly implied that in my post. You just want to think I did because that's what everyone else around here does. I know you're third party supporter. Jesus, who doesn't?

My point stands. That ad isn't funny and it wouldn't be coming from either Obama or McCain. It is childish.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is true comedy. People criticize obama for lack of experience and then he goes and picks a candidate with gobs of experience in the area of greatest criticism and now it shows a lack of confidence. Some people just cannot be reasoned with, can they? Their hate will also rationalize itself.

Obama's campaign message is "CHANGE" and getting away from the establishment and I see no better way to show commitment to that message than to choose somebody that has been a professional politician for the last 30 years(?), they have been critical of McCain's age so he goes with a 65 y/o.

So, basically he cannot win. Either he lacks experience or lacks confidence.

Budmantom would still vote for McCain even if McCain came out and proposed converting America into a communism, so don't bother feeding the troll.
His kind make all their political decisions based on the (R) or (D) next to the candidate's name, and then make up reasons to rationalize that.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is true comedy. People criticize obama for lack of experience and then he goes and picks a candidate with gobs of experience in the area of greatest criticism and now it shows a lack of confidence. Some people just cannot be reasoned with, can they? Their hate will also rationalize itself.

Obama's campaign message is "CHANGE" and getting away from the establishment and I see no better way to show commitment to that message than to choose somebody that has been a professional politician for the last 30 years(?), they have been critical of McCain's age so he goes with a 65 y/o.

So, basically he cannot win. Either he lacks experience or lacks confidence.

In respect to his campaign message?

So to keep in tune with that he's not allowed to seek advice/guidance from people with experience? Should his entire cabinet be fresh college grads?

 

[ScottMac]

I know everyone's talking him up & all, but didn't Biden wash out of the primaries pretty early because he didn't get any significant vote?

If people didn't like him for president (in the primaries), why would they like him (his policies, judgment, attitudes ...) bring "one heartbeat" away from the presidency (or in a temporary presidential position if BHO was off-line for some reason)?

Even if you argue that his campaign existed in a vacuum created between BHO and HRC, wouldn't that still imply that he has no significant number of votes to bring into BHO's camp?

IMO, he gives the Republicans more advertising fodder that value to BHO's campaign. I think a big chunk of this race is going to boil down to who McCain chooses for his Veep. Noe more so than ever.

Time will tell. Let the fun begin.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is true comedy. People criticize obama for lack of experience and then he goes and picks a candidate with gobs of experience in the area of greatest criticism and now it shows a lack of confidence. Some people just cannot be reasoned with, can they? Their hate will also rationalize itself.

Obama's campaign message is "CHANGE" and getting away from the establishment and I see no better way to show commitment to that message than to choose somebody that has been a professional politician for the last 30 years(?), they have been critical of McCain's age so he goes with a 65 y/o.

So, basically he cannot win. Either he lacks experience or lacks confidence.

Budmantom would still vote for McCain even if McCain came out and proposed converting America into a communism, so don't bother feeding the troll.
His kind make all their political decisions based on the (R) or (D) next to the candidate's name, and then make up reasons to rationalize that.

I thought it was Obama on the top of the communist party ticket and you support communism so I know who will get your vote.

Did I ever mention who I was voting for and what have I said that was supportive of McCain?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is true comedy. People criticize obama for lack of experience and then he goes and picks a candidate with gobs of experience in the area of greatest criticism and now it shows a lack of confidence. Some people just cannot be reasoned with, can they? Their hate will also rationalize itself.

Obama's campaign message is "CHANGE" and getting away from the establishment and I see no better way to show commitment to that message than to choose somebody that has been a professional politician for the last 30 years(?), they have been critical of McCain's age so he goes with a 65 y/o.

So, basically he cannot win. Either he lacks experience or lacks confidence.

In respect to his campaign message?

So to keep in tune with that he's not allowed to seek advice/guidance from people with experience? Should his entire cabinet be fresh college grads?

In respect to his campaign message?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic
Budmantom would still vote for McCain even if McCain came out and proposed converting America into a communism, so don't bother feeding the troll.
His kind make all their political decisions based on the (R) or (D) next to the candidate's name, and then make up reasons to rationalize that.

I thought it was Obama on the top of the communist party ticket and you support communism so I know who will get your vote.

Did I ever mention who I was voting for and what have I said that was supportive of McCain?

Nice try. I'm sure anyone who has been posting or lurking on P&N longer than 2 months knows that I am staunchly anti-communist and anti-socialist. But then again, we've already had this discussion. Capitalism is the economic theory of liberalism.

And be careful there about denying McCain, the cock is crowing

 

[jpeyton]

Good speech on CNN. Denver is going to be insane. 80,000 people at Obama's acceptance speech on prime-time TV will be enough to erase McCain's 0.5% lead in that state.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic
Budmantom would still vote for McCain even if McCain came out and proposed converting America into a communism, so don't bother feeding the troll.
His kind make all their political decisions based on the (R) or (D) next to the candidate's name, and then make up reasons to rationalize that.

I thought it was Obama on the top of the communist party ticket and you support communism so I know who will get your vote.

Did I ever mention who I was voting for and what have I said that was supportive of McCain?

Nice try. I'm sure anyone who has been posting or lurking on P&N longer than 2 months knows that I am staunchly anti-communist and anti-socialist. But then again, we've already had this discussion. Capitalism is the economic theory of liberalism.

And be careful there about denying McCain, the cock is crowing

You like the communist idea of a windfall profits tax and I'm sure you are a big fan of socialized medicine.


Comrade are you still applauding Obama in supporting the Born Alive Infants Protection Act?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic
Budmantom would still vote for McCain even if McCain came out and proposed converting America into a communism, so don't bother feeding the troll.
His kind make all their political decisions based on the (R) or (D) next to the candidate's name, and then make up reasons to rationalize that.

I thought it was Obama on the top of the communist party ticket and you support communism so I know who will get your vote.

Did I ever mention who I was voting for and what have I said that was supportive of McCain?

Nice try. I'm sure anyone who has been posting or lurking on P&N longer than 2 months knows that I am staunchly anti-communist and anti-socialist. But then again, we've already had this discussion. Capitalism is the economic theory of liberalism.

And be careful there about denying McCain, the cock is crowing

You like the communist idea of a windfall profits tax and I'm sure you are a big fan of socialized medicine.


Comrade are you still applauding Obama in supporting the Born Alive Infants Protection Act?

Why are we still feeding this idiot troll? He never adds anything to the threads he's in, I think it's high time we started ignoring him. On a lot of less forgiving forums you would have been banned by now.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic
Budmantom would still vote for McCain even if McCain came out and proposed converting America into a communism, so don't bother feeding the troll.
His kind make all their political decisions based on the (R) or (D) next to the candidate's name, and then make up reasons to rationalize that.

I thought it was Obama on the top of the communist party ticket and you support communism so I know who will get your vote.

Did I ever mention who I was voting for and what have I said that was supportive of McCain?

Nice try. I'm sure anyone who has been posting or lurking on P&N longer than 2 months knows that I am staunchly anti-communist and anti-socialist. But then again, we've already had this discussion. Capitalism is the economic theory of liberalism.

And be careful there about denying McCain, the cock is crowing

You like the communist idea of a windfall profits tax and I'm sure you are a big fan of socialized medicine.


Comrade are you still applauding Obama in supporting the Born Alive Infants Protection Act?

Why are we still feeding this idiot troll? He never adds anything to the threads he's in, I think it's high time we started ignoring him. On a lot of less forgiving forums you would have been banned by now.

Are you still upset?

 

[jpeyton]

YES!!!

Biden is already tearing McCain a new hole during the VP announcement speech.

This is the attack dog we needed.