Official Avail. Nov 13th - Android 4.2 - LG Nexus 4 - Asus Nexus 7 - Samsung Nexus 10

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

sigh... when will AT&T enable DC-HSPA???

 

[vshah]

Nice ping and download speed. I'm almost jealous. But then I remember how often I got EDGE with Tmobile and no signal in my basement.

Also true, I have a Verizon mifi for those situations . still cheaper overall than a. Verizon plan.

 

[vshah]

sigh... when will AT&T enable DC-HSPA???

They say they have, but I've never heard of anyone seeing it in the wild. They're full steam ahead on lte now so I wouldn't expect them to ever do it. It's literally a configuration/software change, or so I've heard...

 

[Crow550]

So he's impressed with the CRT off animation which has been included feature since Nexus S 2.3 Gingerbread. Great. Next he'll discover Face Unlock.

He has preferred iPhone to Android in the past. However he does also own a Galaxy S3 & a Note 2. Which he thinks in terms of smoothness the Nexus 4 may be the best.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

So he's impressed with the CRT off animation which has been included feature since Nexus S 2.3 Gingerbread. Great. Next he'll discover Face Unlock.

was that only on the Nexus S? What other phones? Did the GNex have it?

I know of the CRT animation because they put that in CyanogenMod and kept it in, but I don't see other phones with it. This is a clear case of fragmentation if so because they put it in Gingerbread on the Nexus S and then it disappeared?

 

[vshah]

was that only on the Nexus S? What other phones? Did the GNex have it?

I know of the CRT animation because they put that in CyanogenMod and kept it in, but I don't see other phones with it. This is a clear case of fragmentation if so because they put it in Gingerbread on the Nexus S and then it disappeared?

Yes, gnex had it too. Not sure about sense/touchwiz phones

 

[dagamer34]

They say they have, but I've never heard of anyone seeing it in the wild. They're full steam ahead on lte now so I wouldn't expect them to ever do it. It's literally a configuration/software change, or so I've heard...

AT&T has never enabled DC-HSPA+ and is one of the few GSM carriers in the world no to do so. They went straight to LTE.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

AT&T has never enabled DC-HSPA+ and is one of the few GSM carriers in the world no to do so. They went straight to LTE.

its kinda a ??? because AT&T's idea of going HSPA first and then LTE later was to show that they have a strong backbone. If LTE connectivity suffers in an area, you can fall back to HSPA, etc. Strange they didn't beef their HSPA network up by enabling dual carrier. I'd imagine it's a pretty easy change. Plus, it'd help mitigate 3G traffic issues.

 

[Sureshot324]

Just got a notice that my N10 shipped yesterday. Apparently it's only going to get here Thursday since they're shipping from the US to Canada.

 

[dagamer34]

its kinda a ??? because AT&T's idea of going HSPA first and then LTE later was to show that they have a strong backbone. If LTE connectivity suffers in an area, you can fall back to HSPA, etc. Strange they didn't beef their HSPA network up by enabling dual carrier. I'd imagine it's a pretty easy change. Plus, it'd help mitigate 3G traffic issues.

It's easy to enable, they just aren't doing so. Go read some of Brian Klug's tweets (@nerdtalker), he'll vent about it every couple of days.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

It's easy to enable, they just aren't doing so. Go read some of Brian Klug's tweets (@nerdtalker), he'll vent about it every couple of days.

ill start venting about it soon because of the lack of LTE on the Nexus 4

 

[RaulF]

ill start venting about it soon because of the lack of LTE on the Nexus 4

I fix it got a picture of the mobo of the N4 and it shows that it contains the LTE chipset. So maybe someone can hack it to work, or maybe down the line google might enable it.

 

[dagamer34]

I fix it got a picture of the mobo of the N4 and it shows that it contains the LTE chipset. So maybe someone can hack it to work, or maybe down the line google might enable it.

LTE support in a chipset != ability to connect to an LTE network. Without power amplifiers, you aren't going to get anywhere.

 

[rumpleforeskin]

The N4 seems quite a bit cheaper than the equivalent competition, am I missing something or is this a really good deal?

N4 16gig £279
HTC one X £369
Samsung S3 £369

Benchmarks give the impression that there would be very little real world difference in the performance, and hardware specs (screen size/resolution/quality, camera quality, connectivity options) are close. So why the £100 difference.

 

[Ravynmagi]

The N4 seems quite a bit cheaper than the equivalent competition, am I missing something or is this a really good deal?

N4 16gig £279
HTC one X £369
Samsung S3 £369

Benchmarks give the impression that there would be very little real world difference in the performance, and hardware specs (screen size/resolution/quality, camera quality, connectivity options) are close. So why the £100 difference.

In the US most people buy phones on a 2 year contract. So a $600 phone only costs $200 to $300 with a contract. Google is selling this phone without carrier interference and the need of a contract. And they need to keep the price low enough that it can compete with the $200 and $300 contract phones. So they are selling it at $350 (16GB) without a contract and probably little to no profit for Google themselves.

I heard LG is controlling the pricing outside the Google Play store and it's higher elsewhere. But looks like it's still cheaper the the competition where you are at.

Long story short, yes it really is a really good deal.

 

[s44]

The N4 seems quite a bit cheaper than the equivalent competition, am I missing something or is this a really good deal?

It's a really good deal. Completely eliminates the One X from relevance (remember, the Nexus is considerably *faster*) and wins easily over the S3 if you don't need more storage, LTE (which is in its overpriced infancy in the UK), or the ability to battery swap.

That's why it sold out in ridiculous fashion.

 

[rumpleforeskin]

In the US most people buy phones on a 2 year contract. So a $600 phone only costs $200 to $300 with a contract. Google is selling this phone without carrier interference and the need of a contract. And they need to keep the price low enough that it can compete with the $200 and $300 contract phones. So they are selling it at $350 (16GB) without a contract and probably little to no profit for Google themselves.

I heard LG is controlling the pricing outside the Google Play store and it's higher elsewhere. But looks like it's still cheaper the the competition where you are at.

Long story short, yes it really is a really good deal.

Ah yes, I remember from my visits to the USA that it was near impossible to find a cheap data SIM only deal while there. In the end it was cheaper for me to pay the roaming charges using my UK SIM.

Think the N4 will be a great deal if I can get my hands on one in the next few weeks, "3" and "GiffGaff" are both doing some great 12 month SIM only deals in the UK at the moment so I could be in for a cheap year of mobile use for a change

 

[ponyo]

The N4 seems quite a bit cheaper than the equivalent competition, am I missing something or is this a really good deal?

N4 16gig £279
HTC one X £369
Samsung S3 £369

Benchmarks give the impression that there would be very little real world difference in the performance, and hardware specs (screen size/resolution/quality, camera quality, connectivity options) are close. So why the £100 difference.

The difference is you can actually buy the other phones without jumping through hoops.

 

[SEAL62505]

Ah yes, I remember from my visits to the USA that it was near impossible to find a cheap data SIM only deal while there. In the end it was cheaper for me to pay the roaming charges using my UK SIM.

Think the N4 will be a great deal if I can get my hands on one in the next few weeks, "3" and "GiffGaff" are both doing some great 12 month SIM only deals in the UK at the moment so I could be in for a cheap year of mobile use for a change

US cheap data sim - T-mobile 5gb prepaid (with 100 minutes) - $30 per month prepaid - Works great with the Nexus phones (Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 4) as they are pentaband

 

[Eug]

Nexus 4 drop test.

Drop from waist level, and everything is intact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nlgG33n71m0#t=29s

Drop from > 6 feet up, and back glass is cracked: www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nlgG33n71m0#t=110s

 

[WelshBloke]

US cheap data sim - T-mobile 5gb prepaid (with 100 minutes) - $30 per month prepaid - Works great with the Nexus phones (Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 4) as they are pentaband

£20 a month is not cheap if you're used to UK prices.

 

[WelshBloke]

Ah yes, I remember from my visits to the USA that it was near impossible to find a cheap data SIM only deal while there. In the end it was cheaper for me to pay the roaming charges using my UK SIM.

Think the N4 will be a great deal if I can get my hands on one in the next few weeks, "3" and "GiffGaff" are both doing some great 12 month SIM only deals in the UK at the moment so I could be in for a cheap year of mobile use for a change

T-Mobile UK ( EE now) will do you a years data for £40, you'll have to buy the sim though (£10) and you don't get anything else.
Its a capped service but if you go over your limit they just block YouTube you can still use data.

 

[vshah]

Nexus 4 drop test.

Drop from waist level, and everything is intact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nlgG33n71m0#t=29s

Drop from > 6 feet up, and back glass is cracked: www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nlgG33n71m0#t=110s

i really hate these drop tests. one drop doesn't say anything as every fall is different. it could break from 3 feet or not break from 10. if you really care, don't drop your phone, or get a solid case for it.

/rant

 

[Eug]

i really hate these drop tests.

So ignore them then.

/rant

 

[pm]

I agree with vshah. The tests to me seem to be very subjective, but the data is presented as if it's objective.

If the drop tests were performed by a machine, and then enough phones of the same model were dropped to get a significant statistical sampling, then we might be talking. But as it is it just seems like a way to to generate a lot of hits for a webpage or a YouTube video.

And, since I missed Eug's post... truthfully, I do ignore them. I didn't click that link and I'll pay no attention to the results. But I will add my minor rant against trusting them because I strongly disagree with the scientific methodology used and then the way the results are presented as a scientifically accurate.