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***OFFICIAL*** ATI R520 (X1800, X1600, X1300) Reviews Thread!

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Originally posted by: Byte
history repeats itself, this time its the x1k thats turning into a fx
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well at least x1k are Competitive the fx were not at all. They only way they are alike its that they are uber late and cost alot.
 
Price and availability issues aside, I think it's pretty clear that between the X1800XT and the 7800GTX, the XT is the better card. The XT is faster in everything except for OpenGL games. Even if you want to call it a draw in performance, the XT wins easily in features and IQ.

It's interesting that reviewers still aren't addressing any of the IQ issues that people have been talking about lately (ie. texture shimmering). As far as I'm concerned, a fair review would compare the ATI card in its default quality mode and the Nvidia card in the high quality mode, since that's what it takes to get near-equivalent IQ. If the reviews were done this way then you'd see a greater performance advantage for the X1800XT.

If it wasn't for a freakish bout of bad luck, these cards would have been out around the same time the Gefoce 7 series came out and they would have competed very well. All signs seem to indicate that ATI is on track with their next part though. Imagine a 24 or 32 pipe R520.
 
for the record, x1800xl will sell for $380 retail in stores near you in about a week or so.

it's still a challenge to fight nvidia's $330 mail-in rebated 7800gt though =\
 
Originally posted by: tvdang7
y does that x1600 suck so bad? it looks really good on paper.
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I think it's because even though it has 12 pixel shader units, it only has 4 texture units. So in games that are not heavy on shaders, it basically acts like a 4 pipe card when it comes to texturing, and we all know how THAT works out (*cough* FX cards)
 
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: tvdang7
y does that x1600 suck so bad? it looks really good on paper.
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I think it's because even though it has 12 pixel shader units, it only has 4 texture units. So in games that are not heavy on shaders, it basically acts like a 4 pipe card when it comes to texturing, and we all know how THAT works out (*cough* FX cards)
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Ugh...the X1600 can't even keep up with the X800 from what I've seen. $300 to spend and I have no idea where I'm going from a GeForce 6800 now. I would like that angle-independent AF and better AA, but other than that, I see no viable ATI solution. Anything less than the X1800s is essentially worthless (at least in my position).
 
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
for the record, x1800xl will sell for $380 retail in stores near you in about a week or so.

it's still a challenge to fight nvidia's $330 mail-in rebated 7800gt though =\
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Sounds about right. Sure, it'll still be tough competing with the GT, but it's not nearly as bad as the naysayer's predictions that it would sell for MSRP or higher. I think there will be plenty of XLs to go around and the price will drop even lower by Xmas.
 
BTW, did any site UC the cards to X850XTPE speeds or X850XT speeds to check the difference in performance? I know it's stupid, but it's interesting...
 
however, x1800xt is still a speculation. Within ATi there's a rumor that there will be a big suprise that will simply wipe out G70 (even at ultra specs); I don't think they can make this surprise come true by november though. But it all depends on how well the x1800xl is doing.
 
The more funny thing is the 512mb GTX is going to hit retail at Nov1st. I Wouldnt be surprised if that hits the stores first than the X1800 XT.
 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The more funny thing is the 512mb GTX is going to hit retail at Nov1st. I Wouldnt be surprised if that hits the stores first than the X1800 XT.
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its the x1800XT PE

ATI always makes a PE and since we know r520 has more then 16 pipes but because of yeilds they only have 16 i am gessing PE would have more pipes.
 
Originally posted by: Cooler
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The more funny thing is the 512mb GTX is going to hit retail at Nov1st. I Wouldnt be surprised if that hits the stores first than the X1800 XT.
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its the x1800XT PE

ATI always makes a PE and since we know r520 has more then 16 pipes but because of yeilds they only have 16 i am gessing PE would have more pipes.
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If it had more pipes, we'd have known it. The yeild issue is only imaginary created by Inquirer. Some of the reviews mention the problems which delayed R520.
 
wow, ati gets stomped. Their midrange and budget cards are worthless. They are done this gen for sure now.
 
to the people who are so much in favor of nvidia right now.. and all tohers too.. damnd it ;-)


the previosly posted picture quality comparisons between ati 1800 and g70 pics really impress me. (from the hardocp page review)
- nvidia AF (normal name for that feauter? (((feauter, that spelling seems so wrong)))) at factor 8 seems strongly angle dependent.
- ati 2x aa seems really up to par with nvidia 4x AA, ATLEAST IN THese comparison shots. the same continues for the higher SS modes, that goes as far as that the NO AA from ATI loks as good as 2AA from nvidia. AGAIN, in these pictures....


is that a general thing with the new cards or just some odd occurence?
ICTURES
 
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
however, x1800xt is still a speculation. Within ATi there's a rumor that there will be a big suprise that will simply wipe out G70 (even at ultra specs); I don't think they can make this surprise come true by november though. But it all depends on how well the x1800xl is doing.
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NOt more of this rabbit out of the hat crap...Enough speculation. You bring what you have or you STHU.....

Bottom line the launch was a bit overhyped and the ATi actually did a bit worse then I had expected....Therefore I think it was disappointing for its rather long delay.

Despite the rantings above it was not freakish bad luck. ATi had problems they had to fix and in result they were waaaayyy late to the dance. The person above would have you think it was out of their control. That is not right.....

It must be very disappointing for the fanboys today. All the hype and sh^ttalkin and nothing spectacular appeared. May be why we have gotten a reprieve from some of them....
 
Originally posted by: munky
I think it's because even though it has 12 pixel shader units, it only has 4 texture units. So in games that are not heavy on shaders, it basically acts like a 4 pipe card when it comes to texturing, and we all know how THAT works out (*cough* FX cards)
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Thanks for pointing that out . . . I totally missed that it had only 4 texture units . . . doh! lol

Now it makes perfect sense why it's performance was so lackluster in most other games and yet better than the 6800 in F.E.A.R.
 
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
however, x1800xt is still a speculation. Within ATi there's a rumor that there will be a big suprise that will simply wipe out G70 (even at ultra specs); I don't think they can make this surprise come true by november though. But it all depends on how well the x1800xl is doing.
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NOt more of this rabbit out of the hat crap...Enough speculation. You bring what you have or you STHU.....

Bottom line the launch was a bit overhyped and the ATi actually did a bit worse then I had expected....Therefore I think it was disappointing for its rather long delay.

Despite the rantings above it was not freakish bad luck. ATi had problems they had to fix and in result they were waaaayyy late to the dance. The person above would have you think it was out of their control. That is not right.....

It must be very disappointing for the fanboys today. All the hype and sh^ttalkin and nothing spectacular appeared. May be why we have gotten a reprieve from some of them....
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calm down mr. nvidia
 
the 1800xt looks alright, pretty good if it was out and i was in the market for a 7800gtx, i'd be stupid not to consider that card, but the rest of the line up you ati guys have to give it up that it is just not good.

to sum up, the benchies (which do apear to be all over the place) 1800xt>gtx

but below that nvidia > ati.


then again if i wanted to right now, i cannot find a new ati card even though ati claims there ready for ship in volume.
 
Originally posted by: crazydingo
Originally posted by: rmed64
wow, ati gets stomped. Their midrange and budget cards are worthless. They are done this gen for sure now.
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These death knells are oft-repeated and boring. :clock:
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I have to agree...I didn't see anything like that...A bit overdramatic. The card appaers to be the overall leader but not by the margin the hype was building. If an ultra comes in with 512mb and uses dual core drivers it really cuts into this lead.

Aside from ATI being the leader the price and availability is now the main factor holding it back. Yes it leads but at what premium??? That is a user definition.
 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The more funny thing is the 512mb GTX is going to hit retail at Nov1st.
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Got a link for that? I have a feeling you're pulling this out of you-know-where.
 
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: crazydingo
Originally posted by: rmed64
wow, ati gets stomped. Their midrange and budget cards are worthless. They are done this gen for sure now.
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These death knells are oft-repeated and boring. :clock:
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I have to agree...I didn't see anything like that...A bit overdramatic. The card appaers to be the overall leader but not by the margin the hype was building. If an ultra comes in with 512mb and uses dual core drivers it really cuts into this lead.

Aside from ATI being the leader the price and availability is now the main factor holding it back. Yes it leads but at what premium??? That is a user definition.
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That post is speculation.
1) Your speculating that 512 MB will help Nvidia
2) Your speculating that the dual core drivers will increase frame rates drastically enough to cut into the XT lead.

We have the facts right before us right now. XT is projected to be faster than Nvidia's GTX, and has better IQ. But avilibility=1 month in the future. THe XL also has great Image quality, but it is using the bad cores, so frankly it does not look like a viable option. Also, the low clock speed makes it the underdog vs the GT.
 
Hmmm... This is an interesting launch. The fps race is about what it was, so it is like comparing two dragsters. But one the road course... Normally when folks are talking about IQ differences, someone comes out with screen captures, magnifies an area 2 to 3x, circles it and if you stare at it long enough, you go, "oh yeah." This one is very obvious to the naked eye.
 
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