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Shimmishim

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tigerdirect has it as well...

i think it comes out to the same price as the cheapest place listed after they add shipping (around $18 bucks)...

but the 4400+ is somewhere around $545... so it's $545 + 18 shipping which comes out to.... $563 which is cheaper than monarch by a lot...

the question is... how good are they about shipping on time... the ship date lists between 7 to 21 days which means... june 11 to 25... so yeah...
 
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Originally posted by: Shimmishim
tigerdirect has it as well...

i think it comes out to the same price as the cheapest place listed after they add shipping (around $18 bucks)...

but the 4400+ is somewhere around $545... so it's $545 + 18 shipping which comes out to.... $563 which is cheaper than monarch by a lot...

the question is... how good are they about shipping on time... the ship date lists between 7 to 21 days which means... june 11 to 25... so yeah...

I guess we'll see. :p

I wasn't planning on buying it immediately anyway, so that's not really an issue for me.
 

Guuts

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Maybe this is a bit of a n00b question, but are the HSF for the single-core A64 going to work on the X2s? So if I wanted to buy an OEM X2, I could just buy an XP90 for it, for instance?
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Guuts
Maybe this is a bit of a n00b question, but are the HSF for the single-core A64 going to work on the X2s? So if I wanted to buy an OEM X2, I could just buy an XP90 for it, for instance?

Yes
 

TankGuys

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Originally posted by: noctdeus

I just noticed that Tiger Direct has the X2 4400+ for only $545.99!! Monarch, TankGuys? Are you going to respond with a lower price perhaps? :)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications...C5@acJ&siteid=0029407737&CMP=AFC-AFFIL


That's not too bad. It would be nice of we could pricematch, but we aren't gouging enough in the first place to have the margin to do so!

In fact, our markup on these X2's is less than $4. Factor in the free shipping, and we darn near break even on some.

So unfortunately, we can't match their prices! On the other hand, our free shipping saves the $19 Tigerdirect is charging, so we're still only $20 off. Plus we should be shipping a lot sooner. But bottom line, in all honesty, is that thier price is better. So which is more important, faster shipping or lower price...

 

RichUK

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Woooo Hoooo, The best website in the UK to have the new releases has the X2's priced and ETA'ed, Here
 

noctdeus

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Well I happen to dislike Tiger Direct, and Monarch is a bit over-priced, so I think I'll probably go with my gut instinct and use TankGuys. The shipping thing that TankGuys mentioned does make sense. Plus I really like how TankGuys is active in here -- that's also something I really like about DFI (www.dfi-street.com). More companies should be more active in direct conversation online with their customers. It builds confidence and answers a lot of questions.

 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: TankGuys
Originally posted by: noctdeus

I just noticed that Tiger Direct has the X2 4400+ for only $545.99!! Monarch, TankGuys? Are you going to respond with a lower price perhaps? :)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications...C5@acJ&siteid=0029407737&CMP=AFC-AFFIL


That's not too bad. It would be nice of we could pricematch, but we aren't gouging enough in the first place to have the margin to do so!

In fact, our markup on these X2's is less than $4. Factor in the free shipping, and we darn near break even on some.

So unfortunately, we can't match their prices! On the other hand, our free shipping saves the $19 Tigerdirect is charging, so we're still only $20 off. Plus we should be shipping a lot sooner. But bottom line, in all honesty, is that thier price is better. So which is more important, faster shipping or lower price...

Are you saying your selling price is less than $4 higher than your cost? If so, that sucks man. Are you guys doing that to get the word out about your site?

In regards to you shipping faster, I'll hold my judgement for now. I just have a hard time believing a smaller operation like you guys would have retail X2's in stock weeks before Newegg, Monarch, Mwave, and Tiger.

But as you mentioned, there is no harm in pre-ordering from you guys because you don't charge until it ships.
 

TankGuys

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Originally posted by: jpeyton


Are you saying your selling price is less than $4 higher than your cost? If so, that sucks man. Are you guys doing that to get the word out about your site?

In regards to you shipping faster, I'll hold my judgement for now. I just have a hard time believing a smaller operation like you guys would have retail X2's in stock weeks before Newegg, Monarch, Mwave, and Tiger.

But as you mentioned, there is no harm in pre-ordering from you guys because you don't charge until it ships.

I'm happy to level with you and tell your or markup on every item is the same. This means if you buy a $15 SATA cable from us, or a $1000 processor, we make exactly the same amount of money.

The price we charge for our X2's is actually about ~$10-20 more than what we pay. However, we have to pay our employees, our credit card processing fees, advertising, leases, insurance, shipping, etc, which means our per item profit on pretty much anything is between $2-4 typically. What this means is that on a single item sale, we definitely don't make much. Especially when I have one of our employees spend 20 minutes filling the order and helping the customer, it's more reasonable to say we make almost nothing, and sometimes even lose money. However, if someone comes in and buys 4-5 things from us, then we're better off.

We price this way for a variety of reasons. First off, this business is cut-throat. If we priced any higher, we'd get no sales. Secondly, pricing higher is a dis-service to our customers. That might sound like a stupid answer, but myself and the other owner were shoppers long before starting our business, so we have chosen to retain the customer perspective on things. Lastly, using a single pricing model for every product makes management a lot easier. We actually carry about 80,000 items (only a fraction of which on are on the website; we sell the others by special request and to our larger accounts) so to individually price each one is a logistical nightmare.

As for our being able to ship sooner; honestly, there is a chance it won't happen. In that event, we are going to immediately notify all our pre-order customers and let them know, so that they can hold out or order elsewhere. That's only fair. As of right now, we are still showing the 7th as the date, so it's still looking good.

Hopefully that answers all your questions!
 

TankGuys

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Originally posted by: noctdeus

Well I happen to dislike Tiger Direct, and Monarch is a bit over-priced, so I think I'll probably go with my gut instinct and use TankGuys. The shipping thing that TankGuys mentioned does make sense. Plus I really like how TankGuys is active in here -- that's also something I really like about DFI (www.dfi-street.com). More companies should be more active in direct conversation online with their customers. It builds confidence and answers a lot of questions.


Thanks for your business of course!

I agree; having an active face on these forums is good for all involved. Heck, I'm half owner of the company and I actually enjoy posting when possible. Sometimes I have one of my employees do it when I'm too busy though. In any case, I've always enjoyed dealing with our customers one on one, and I still try to do that. There are a few bad apples who make me want to crawl under my desk and tear out my hair, but generally people are great to deal with. I figure it's a mutual relationship: If you guys as customers are nice enough to patronize our business and support us, I don't mind setting aside time at the office, or even weekends and evenings to answer questions. Seems only fair!
 

Romir

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Warranty isn't too bad; 1 Yr Parts & Labor for OEM is much better than 90 days.

TigerDirect's warranty on the OEM cpus seems a bit suspicious to me. At the very least, there should be a 90 day warranty from AMD though. Here is TigerDirect's policy on cpus:

VERY IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING OUR RETURN POLICY ON CPU'S: Please note that all processors may be returned only for defective exchange. You must purchase a compatible heatsink and fan on the same order as the processor in order to preserve your warranty or exchange privilege. We are not able to accept returns for refunds on processors under any circumstances. All processors will be inspected and tested upon return and any damage caused by poor packaging, overclocking, or other tampering with the processor will be cause for the return to be refused, and exchange denied.

To me, that reads that they will only exchange cpus and only if a heatsink/fan was bought with them on the same order. In other words, no support at all without buying a heatsink/fan in the same order.

As far as ordering from TigerDirect and their reliability, I've spent thousands there (on things they had the best price on, such as blow outs) with very few problems. They tend to get the order to whatever warehouses they use quickly, and things normally get shipped out the same day. But like many online stores, their customer support and returns divisions are a bit lacking.

It's really tempting to order a retail 4800+ and cancel my Monarch order for a 4400+ with 3 years warranty. It's just $333 more (including the fat cash discount). It should last longer than the $850 P2 333mhz I had (which was slower than a celeron 300a@450 or even a celeron 333a@412)! :D

EDIT: Glaring Typo
 

ryanv12

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Well I'm not liking the idea of having to purchase a heatsink with their processor from tigerdirect. I just added the cheapest 939 HSF that they had ($20) to my cart along with the 4400+ and that makes the total with shipping $584.89. With Tankguys you'll get the retail processor with a longer warranty and a HSF for $597.39. The Extra ~$12.50 seems worth it to me so I think I'm going to make my order through them.
 

jpeyton

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Thanks for pointing out the TigerDirect warranty details. Even if I only get a 30 day OEM warranty from AMD, I'm not too concerned. I was planning on overclocking it anyways. I'll use the $50 I saved from buying retail to get a top-of-the-line air cooler (Big Typhoon, Sonic Tower, etc.). The 4600+/4800+ look like they are good for 2.7GHz (from the early reviews), so I'm hoping yields are good with the lower-clocked X2s as well.
 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Thanks for pointing out the TigerDirect warranty details. Even if I only get a 30 day OEM warranty from AMD, I'm not too concerned. I was planning on overclocking it anyways. I'll use the $50 I saved from buying retail to get a top-of-the-line air cooler (Big Typhoon, Sonic Tower, etc.). The 4600+/4800+ look like they are good for 2.7GHz (from the early reviews), so I'm hoping yields are good with the lower-clocked X2s as well.


:thumbsup:
 

EODetroit

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I have another question for Tank Guy. Are you guys drop shipping from somewhere else, or shipping from your location in Michigan? I currently live in Indiana, so Michigan is pretty close, but if they are coming from California then cheap shipping would take longer.
 

enragedcow

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Originally posted by: EODetroit
I have another question for Tank Guy. Are you guys drop shipping from somewhere else, or shipping from your location in Michigan? I currently live in Indiana, so Michigan is pretty close, but if they are coming from California then cheap shipping would take longer.


It depends. We actually work from 6 warehouses scattered around. We've got our X2's comming into California right now, so the west-coasters will likley get them sooner. I know this is bad news for you in Indiana, sorry about that!

Typically we stock a little bit of everything at each warehouse, so that we can ship most any where pretty quickly. However, in this case we were only able to secure one bulk shipment out to CA and are working from there.

 

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Originally posted by: enragedcow
Originally posted by: EODetroit
I have another question for Tank Guy. Are you guys drop shipping from somewhere else, or shipping from your location in Michigan? I currently live in Indiana, so Michigan is pretty close, but if they are coming from California then cheap shipping would take longer.



It depends. We actually work from 6 warehouses scattered around. We've got our X2's comming into California right now, so the west-coasters will likley get them sooner. I know this is bad news for you in Indiana, sorry about that!

Typically we stock a little bit of everything at each warehouse, so that we can ship most any where pretty quickly. However, in this case we were only able to secure one bulk shipment out to CA and are working from there.

I am confused, are u associated with tankguys?
 

TankGuys

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Originally posted by: enragedcow
Originally posted by: EODetroit
I have another question for Tank Guy. Are you guys drop shipping from somewhere else, or shipping from your location in Michigan? I currently live in Indiana, so Michigan is pretty close, but if they are coming from California then cheap shipping would take longer.


It depends. We actually work from 6 warehouses scattered around. We've got our X2's comming into California right now, so the west-coasters will likley get them sooner. I know this is bad news for you in Indiana, sorry about that!

Typically we stock a little bit of everything at each warehouse, so that we can ship most any where pretty quickly. However, in this case we were only able to secure one bulk shipment out to CA and are working from there.

Thanks... I think!

That is actually exactly the case. You must be one or our pre-order customers who asked that question elsewhere?

In any case, what he said!!

 

enragedcow

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Originally posted by: TankGuys

Thanks... I think!

That is actually exactly the case. You must be one or our pre-order customers who asked that question elsewhere?

In any case, what he said!!

Oh yea sorry about that. I saw the post and just posted an e-mail I had gotten from you guys, but forgot to put quotes around it and explain. I was in a rush!! I'm a idiot...LOL.
 

TankGuys

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Originally posted by: enragedcow

Oh yea sorry about that. I saw the post and just posted an e-mail I had gotten from you guys, but forgot to put quotes around it and explain. I was in a rush!! I'm a idiot...LOL.

No problem, I was just a bit confused myself, especially since that text looked so awfully familiar!