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Xeon or anybody- BTW, your right, the search mechanism here sucks royally and I can't stand how when you click on one of their e-mail links for getting to the discussion here that it doesn't take you to the last post as it does on my site
Is there any way of changing the view to have the last post first? Or is it inherit in the forum program?
Is there any way of changing the view to have the last post first? Or is it inherit in the forum program?
Wow, I thought my mouse button was hung up and it was highlighting your text! LOL! 😉
Go in to your "profile", "help" or "FAQ" at the tops of these pages and I think there is something in there for these settings. What I do, is just make a shortcut for this thread on my desktop and you can right click it and set the page # in "properties". It's ridiculous to have to click the URL in the message notification and have to go through 42 pages! Ok, I think it's under "help" then "customization", but they don't tell you WHERE to change it!!!!
Happy Thanksgiving guys. 🙂 :wine: :beer:
Go in to your "profile", "help" or "FAQ" at the tops of these pages and I think there is something in there for these settings. What I do, is just make a shortcut for this thread on my desktop and you can right click it and set the page # in "properties". It's ridiculous to have to click the URL in the message notification and have to go through 42 pages! Ok, I think it's under "help" then "customization", but they don't tell you WHERE to change it!!!!
Happy Thanksgiving guys. 🙂 :wine: :beer:
TheModemWizard
Junior Member
Thanks for the replies Xeon and Computer. All I wanted to verify is if the SATA and IDE ports on the Promise controller can be used in non-RAID mode. I think I'll go with this motherbaord. Since this is my first ASUS board (I've only used Abit on my systems and Gigabyte, MSI, and ECS boards on systems I built for friends), I wasn't sure about the Promise controller, as I had issues with Promise controllers in the past. I'll let the forum know how my experience turns out!
Yeah, sorry I should have posted something a few days ago on this. I changed the order to descending in the Personal Options and then set the Most Recent reply to be at the top so now when I click on the links the latest one is always at the top.
It takes a bit to get use to but now when someone replies it's at the top and I don't do any scrolling or clicking of the arrow buttons to get to the last reply. 🙂
I don't think you'll be sorry as long as you have some really good hot RAM and a cpu that's made in one of the good countries (for building cpu's that is) especially if it's a 2.4C 🙂
Most of the people that do those two things are very happy with this motherboard.
My next board is going to be an Abit IC7 Max3 but I'm holding off until they replace a component on this board that is suppose to be causing a bunch of problems. Once that new version is in production I'll rush out and grab one and see how far I can take it. I'm also thinking of grabbing an Abit IC7-G in the meantime just to see how far I can push it as well. I figure, in order to really know which of these boards is best, I really need to just test them myself **Rubs his hands together** 🙂 At least that's the excuse I'm giving my wife, of course no excuse is justified in that conversation but that's a whole nother thread and I won't go there. LOL 🙂 😛
For those who are interested, Asus has BIOS 1014 now available. I decided to give it a try. Been stable so far. These are the release notes:
1. Do not use old version Afudos.exe to flash BIOS.Must use new Afudos.exe which is included in zip file to flash BIOS.
2. Using ASUSLiveUpdate to flash BIOS,you need to upgrade ASUSLiveupdate before flash BIOS.
3. Please do not use Ezflash for updating this BIOS.
4. Fix extended F8 Menu that cant show all Devices,if you used more than one removables, HDD, and cdrom and BEV
5. Revise extended memory size(16K--->64K)
6. Revise Ultra DMA Mode max limit(ultra DMA mode 6--->5)
7. Mute beep sound for USB device plug-in/plug-out
8. Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at: http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpus...cpusupport.aspx
9. Fix the system hangs after clear CMOS
10. Fix LAN function fail under WinNT4.0
Please note: you need to use the latest version of Afudos or AsusUpdate (5.22.02) to flash. EZ Flash will not work.
1. Do not use old version Afudos.exe to flash BIOS.Must use new Afudos.exe which is included in zip file to flash BIOS.
2. Using ASUSLiveUpdate to flash BIOS,you need to upgrade ASUSLiveupdate before flash BIOS.
3. Please do not use Ezflash for updating this BIOS.
4. Fix extended F8 Menu that cant show all Devices,if you used more than one removables, HDD, and cdrom and BEV
5. Revise extended memory size(16K--->64K)
6. Revise Ultra DMA Mode max limit(ultra DMA mode 6--->5)
7. Mute beep sound for USB device plug-in/plug-out
8. Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at: http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpus...cpusupport.aspx
9. Fix the system hangs after clear CMOS
10. Fix LAN function fail under WinNT4.0
Please note: you need to use the latest version of Afudos or AsusUpdate (5.22.02) to flash. EZ Flash will not work.
When would you expect to see a change of that nature with the MAX3? I've been eying it up as well as the Asus deluxe. But you know my feeling (well sort of) about Asus right now. There still in the ball field but, it's tough making the choice of the best of the worse. If you catch my drift.
Thanks a Lot GNY!! I hope yours has been a fantastic one!
You know what I think? I think we should have a national holiday called 'OverClockers Day' and get Bonus pay that HAS to go towards new Hardware! It would be my favorite holiday of the year! Well, except for Christmas which is when we GET even MORE OverClocking equipment!!! LOL! 🙂 😛
Thanks again! 🙂
You know what I think? I think we should have a national holiday called 'OverClockers Day' and get Bonus pay that HAS to go towards new Hardware! It would be my favorite holiday of the year! Well, except for Christmas which is when we GET even MORE OverClocking equipment!!! LOL! 🙂 😛
Thanks again! 🙂
Amused
Elite Member
I just put a system together based on a P4C800-E Deluxe.
P4C 3.2
2 x 512 MB Mushkin level 2 3500 DDR
2 x WD Raptors
TB Santa Cruz
Gainward 5900nu
BIOS 1011 (though it shows up as 080009 in Sandra and Asus' own software 😕 )
The Promise RAID controller gave me fits of epic proportions.
I would load Windows, and when it would load successfully (70% of the times I tried) I would get blue screens any time I started loading drivers and have a massive meltdown. It seemed like I was getting some serious data corruption.
It's kind of tough to buy $1500 worth of computer parts, only to have it meltdown on you like this.
At any rate, after a sleepless night of constantly loading Windows, only to have it blow up on me, I tried the Intel RAID controller and disabled the Promise. Windows loaded without a hitch, and I was able to install all drivers. Its now fairly stable.
I tightened my memory timings to the specs Mushkin advertises (2-3-2-6) and ran Memtest without an error. I turned on PAT and Turbo, and now Prime95 gets an error after 2 hours. I'll turn off Turbo and run it again. 😕 If it craps out again, I'll turn off PAT and run it. If it craps out, this board is going back and Asus will have lost a loyal customer.
This thing has me really pissed off and tied up in knots. So much so, that I cannot sleep.
What is anyone else's experience with PAT and Turbo on this board?
I'm seriously thinking of returning this board even if I can get it stable without the Promise controller. For 170+ I should have a board in which ALL features will work. How the fsck can Asus expect to get away with this?
P4C 3.2
2 x 512 MB Mushkin level 2 3500 DDR
2 x WD Raptors
TB Santa Cruz
Gainward 5900nu
BIOS 1011 (though it shows up as 080009 in Sandra and Asus' own software 😕 )
The Promise RAID controller gave me fits of epic proportions.
I would load Windows, and when it would load successfully (70% of the times I tried) I would get blue screens any time I started loading drivers and have a massive meltdown. It seemed like I was getting some serious data corruption.
It's kind of tough to buy $1500 worth of computer parts, only to have it meltdown on you like this.
At any rate, after a sleepless night of constantly loading Windows, only to have it blow up on me, I tried the Intel RAID controller and disabled the Promise. Windows loaded without a hitch, and I was able to install all drivers. Its now fairly stable.
I tightened my memory timings to the specs Mushkin advertises (2-3-2-6) and ran Memtest without an error. I turned on PAT and Turbo, and now Prime95 gets an error after 2 hours. I'll turn off Turbo and run it again. 😕 If it craps out again, I'll turn off PAT and run it. If it craps out, this board is going back and Asus will have lost a loyal customer.
This thing has me really pissed off and tied up in knots. So much so, that I cannot sleep.
What is anyone else's experience with PAT and Turbo on this board?
I'm seriously thinking of returning this board even if I can get it stable without the Promise controller. For 170+ I should have a board in which ALL features will work. How the fsck can Asus expect to get away with this?
My first set of questions are,
-Did you use a standard keyboard and mouse during the installation (NON USB)?
-Did you have Legacy USB support enabled in the BIOS during the installation?
-Do you have the latest version of the Promise drivers?
-Did you install the latest INF?
If you have USB Legacy support enabled you're going to see all kinds of problems, not only with installation but also with memory testing, just to name a couple.
I run with PM and PAM(PAT) enabled running my OCZ PC-4000 at 285 FSB 1:1 With Legacy USB support OFF.
I also run ICH5R instead of the Promise. We have recently determined that there is a clear problem running MemTest-86 and Windows Memory Diagnostics when the promise controller is enabled and a drive is hooked up.
UPDATE I also agree with you that there are some clear issues with this chipset. Some of which are pretty severe, the latter point being probably one of it's worst, as well as the vcore fluctuations that I tested and found just days ago. It's unclear to me and others here, whether or not this affects all boards or it's just a select few, but my board also shows this memory problem with the promise controller enabled. I'm going to be setting up my drives on the promise controller sometime tomorrow to see how bad this problem really is. There is a good chance I may experience the same issues as you have with that controller.
UPDATE 2 I just realized that you've been here long enough to know all the things I asked above, so forget I even asked them.
Amused
Elite Member
I have a USB mouse.
No, I turned that off after the first few attempts to load Windows based on what I read here.
The drivers on my CD are the same version as the latest drivers on Asus' website.
Yes, a number of times I tried that as the first driver I loaded. The minute I tried that, I'd get a blue screen
Yeah, I saw that. It's off. Has been for a lot of failed attempts with the Promise Controller.
PM? Is that the "Turbo" mode? Or "Auto?"
So do I, now. It's really intollerable that they could release a board with this obvious of a problem.
Any ideas on a good, stable yet feature rich alternative mobo? I'm leaning further and further towards buying another mobo and returning this thing. I'll probably have to eat a 15% restocking fee and shipping, though. 🙁
ModemWizard, you should wait on this mobo, or maybe get the one with no Promise chip. See what I posted about this and the same thing is happening to Michael (Xeon). Obviously a serious issue with the Promise controller and "Amused" is another that's having a problem with it. I bet if he ran the M$ RAM diagnostics program with the Promise controller enabled and something hooked up to it, he too would get the thousands of errors. Note the jerks didn't do anything about it in BIOS 14 (thanks David), but if that BIOS is at the REGULAR site, I'm going to try it and check the memory errors again. Yep, it's at their regular site. I wonder if by "supports new CPU's" it means the P4 Extreme the way 1013 stated it supported. ?
(Shoman, here is the correct ftp link: ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/sock478/P4C800E-DX/P4CED14A.zip looks like you created an HTTP link for it). 😉
Yes, I just checked the CPU support table and with v14 this mobo supports the P4 Extreme. I wonder if that also means it supports the Prescott, or is that now dead........or, did they change the name from "Prescott" to "Extreme"? I know the Extreme is AKA "Prestonia" which is pretty close to "Prescott".
(Shoman, here is the correct ftp link: ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/sock478/P4C800E-DX/P4CED14A.zip looks like you created an HTTP link for it). 😉
Yes, I just checked the CPU support table and with v14 this mobo supports the P4 Extreme. I wonder if that also means it supports the Prescott, or is that now dead........or, did they change the name from "Prescott" to "Extreme"? I know the Extreme is AKA "Prestonia" which is pretty close to "Prescott".
Well I can't say I blame you for wanting to buy something else. Many others here and elsewhere have.
Right now finding a good overclocking board is pretty tough. The Abit IC7 Max 3 would be a good choice but it too is having some issues. You could however get lucky and end up with a good one. Not all of them are doing bad, kind of like what's happening here with the P4C800-E.
One good solution would be Abit IC7-G. It's pretty solid from what I understand but it lacks some of the newer functionality that's out there on these newer boards.
Yes I found this to be a not so pleasing clue as to how they are producing their boards. Their pumping them out so fast they're not even flashing this data in correctly. *Shakes his head*
This almost makes me think there was something wrong with the formatting of the drive under the promise controller. It does sound like corruption here of some sort. I know you've probably already done this but did you try to reformat the drives completely and then test them one by one to see if they were ok before switching to the ICH5R?
Yes, that's Performance Mode = Turbo
I could'nt agree more. From what I've heard, this particular problem isn't just specific to Asus, it's a problem with all the Canterwood chipsets, but I have no personal data to support this theory.
At any rate, Asus needs to fix these other issues or I suspect if they don't HEAR what their customers are saying, it's only a matter of time before they go under. When a company starts seeing millions of RMA requests for return products, it's just a matter of time.
With my current setup this MB is happy, but I'm not running a 3.2 cpu either. This board definately likes the 2.4C, well at least most of them.
Sorry I couldn't be more help. Until I can test my setup using the promise controller, I'm really just suggesting things that might be obvious.
Amused
Elite Member
Any idea how the P4P800 Deluxe might be? As pissed as I am, I'm still uncomfortable with any other brand mobo. I've always had an Asus.
If I did change, how is MSI? What do you guys think of the MSI Model 865PE NEO2-FIS2R?
Damn, and I was so sure I had picked all the right parts. 🙁 Now I'm clueless again.
Either way, I think I might just go with the 865 chipset. Am I correct in understanding that it is far more mature and thus less troublesome than the 875?
If I did change, how is MSI? What do you guys think of the MSI Model 865PE NEO2-FIS2R?
Damn, and I was so sure I had picked all the right parts. 🙁 Now I'm clueless again.
Either way, I think I might just go with the 865 chipset. Am I correct in understanding that it is far more mature and thus less troublesome than the 875?
HA!! Welcome to the "group". I can say that exact same thing. I spent two months researching the new 865/875 mobo's and decided on this one (800-E Deluxe) and look where I am now. I too had the IC7-G and 865 Neo2 FIS2R on my "list". The MSI has, or had serious BIOS issues, I don't know if they got that fixed yet. There is a thread for it here, but no one ever posts at it. I don't know if that's a good sign or bad sign. Since I already had my memory, and I heard that Neo2 didn't like Geil, I leaned away from it. The IC7x like the IS7x had memory "issues" not being able to do much with stability over ~255mhz FSB. Newer BIOS releases DID address that, but I don't know if they REALLY FIXED IT. I'm also subscribed to their threads here and like the 865 Neo2 FIS2R, no one is posting at them anymore. Review sites were able to get ~300mhz FSB (2.4C) on the Abit boards, but no one at the forums here was. Must have been hand picked mobo's the review sites had. Most if not all of the test/benchmarking/review sites use the P4C800xxx as their test bed, so that told me something. It's also usually ranked #1 in roundups. I wish these review sites would THOROUGHLY TEST these boards instead of only testing them a day or so, and with no periph's attached. Then maybe someone would have come across the Promise issue that I "discovered".
The best thing to do, is just wait as long as you possibly can. Problem with that is your CPU or memory, or whatever you already have will be half of what you paid for it, and/or obsolete by the time you get a mobo. This BS has been too stressful for me and I do not plan on upgrading for many years unless some totally new miraculous technology comes out.
To be honest with you, I'm planning on purchasing an Abit Max3 in the next week or so, simply because I think it has the most potential for being a great board. I'll take my chances and see what happens despite some of the issues that are currently circulating. Second on my list would be the IC7-G since it now has stabilized.
I see people that run the Asus P4P800 Deluxe and have good success with them. Here is a really good thread on them.
P4P800 Deluxe
Hope this helps.
Yeah, building a new box shouldn't be this damn stressfull for anyone. Heck, people should be able to put these things together and they should run as advertised, PERIOD! I've been pretty fortunate with mine with respect to how difficult it's been for you computer but I do see things that are flawed even on my board, so much so that I'm looking to try another brand just to see if the grass doesn't just look greener on the other side.
It's pretty bad when someone such as yourself ends up feeling the way you and many others do from building something that should be as simple as plugging in connectors and installing software!! There is something very wrong with that picture.
Amused
Elite Member
Well, now with all BIOS settings and timings at default, Prime95 doesn't even last a couple of minutes.
It's time for a different mobo. 🙁 I'll call ZZF later today and arrange an RMA and cross ship.
So what is the most stable P4 HT Dual channel with SATA RAID and gigabit LAN solution out there? I don't need to be able to reach ultra high FSBs as I'm running a 3.2 and wont get it over 3.6 (if I ever find a mobo that works).
It looks like the IC7-G has everything I need. If the only reported problem is being unable to hit high FSBs, then that wont be a problem for me. I wont get over 220 or so with this CPU.
Or is an 865 based mobo a safer bet?
It's time for a different mobo. 🙁 I'll call ZZF later today and arrange an RMA and cross ship.
So what is the most stable P4 HT Dual channel with SATA RAID and gigabit LAN solution out there? I don't need to be able to reach ultra high FSBs as I'm running a 3.2 and wont get it over 3.6 (if I ever find a mobo that works).
It looks like the IC7-G has everything I need. If the only reported problem is being unable to hit high FSBs, then that wont be a problem for me. I wont get over 220 or so with this CPU.
Or is an 865 based mobo a safer bet?
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