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Originally posted by: jhites
Originally posted by: jcpiercy
everything is working good , except I cant figure out how to Update USB 2.0
can i get a tip on how to update to USB 2.0

I have SP1 a , installed and DX9
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if you don't have a ! for USB in device manager then they should be installed. If you do have a !, then right click on it and choose update driver and let windows auto install for you. XP SP1 has built in native USB 2.0 drives
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*Waves to jhites*

:beer:

Cheers!
 
Have any of you guys used Window Blinds? No not the kind that go in your house, the kind for your OS. LOL

Man I'm loving it!
 
hey Gang , thanks for putting up with all the questions
and Im grateful to have my first PC built , with help from Anandtech


JHITES Computer XEON

What software do you guys use to check your OC'in

memtest , Ive heard
Prime 99 , CPU -Z

Where do you get all this stuff

Thanks
 
Originally posted by: jcpiercy
hey Gang , thanks for putting up with all the questions
and Im grateful to have my first PC built , with help from Anandtech


JHITES Computer XEON

What software do you guys use to check your OC'in

memtest , Ive heard
Prime 99 , CPU -Z

Where do you get all this stuff

Thanks
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Do you mean the FSB and Mem Timings? I use AIDA32 mostly and CPU-Z to just double check stuff, Sandra2004 does most of that too but it's bloated so using AIDA32 is what I always use to look at that stuff with.

For actually Benchmarking you'll want to use AIDA32 for some memory stuff but I rely heavily on UT2003 Benchmark, PCMark2002 and Sandra2004 to look if I want to see benches. For stability use Prime95 (running two at once using Torture Test), UT2003 Benchmark and MemTest-86 to test that memory.

I've found that UT2003 Benchmark really helps me nail down stable FSB and Timings. It has found more instabilities on my system then any of my other tools. You can have your system be right on the edge of being stable and if it is, UT2003 has always found it for me, allowing me to take things down just a little more to get the sweet spot that's the most stable.

For graphics testing, others out here can suggest some good tools. 3DMark comes to mind but I haven't used many of these since my Graphics card is a piece of crap I haven't invested much time testing it with my current setup. As a matter of fact, two of the tests within 3DMark aren't even available to me when I try to use this tool because this card doesn't do texturing etc. and when I try to run the only test left, it crashes immediately due to this card not handling it at all. LOL! Once I get a good ATI 9800 in this box or an Nvidia 5900, I'll then start looking into these with a lot more detail.

Just do a google search for them and you'll find em all.

See ya 🙂

BTW, congratulations on your first Built machine!!! I know how good it felt when I finally flipped the switch on mine!

 
What software do you guys use to check your OC'in ?
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Yep, same as them. For just O'clocking checks or to just see what speed the CPU (and bus & memory) really is, I just use CPUz, and there is another similar called I THINK, WinCPU that is similar.
 
Originally posted by: computer
there is another similar called I THINK, WinCPU that is similar.
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The program is CPUID which I used before going to CPU_Z. I personally prefer CPU_Z as the latest version shows Performance Mode being Enabled or Disabled and more. CPUID has not been updated since Dec 2002 and HOda the creator seems to have stopped most of his support for this program and many other programs that were very useful at one time.
 
Originally posted by: Xeon
Originally posted by: DonaldD
I need some help. I have a P4C800-E Deluxe MB that I am trying to set up. I have two Seagate ST380013AS SATA hard drives that I want to set up in a RAID 0 configuration. I have turned off the Promise controller on the MB. The Itel controller is on and the BootROM is enabled. I have run the Intel setup. I have run the Seagate Setup Wizard. I have reset CMOS and started over. I cannot get Windows XP Pro to recognize that the hard drives are present even though the BIOS, the Intel setup and the Seagate Setup Wizard can all find the drives. I do not see any drivers on the Seagate site and none are mentioned in the setup pages on their site so I am assuming that none are needed. Any and all suggestions are welcome at this point. Thank you in advance.
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Hiya DonaldD

What do you have your jumpers set to on the back of the Hardrives?

Update Also, when you were in the Intel RAID bios did it recognize the drives there? Have you installed the OS on the Drive(s) by sticking the Windows CD into the CD-Rom drive after you setup the RAID? Did you go into the BIOS and tell it that you want to boot from the RAID array? Check to be sure the boot order is correct for the configuration your trying to setup. I know this sounds basic but most mistakes are made at this level *BASIC*.

BTW DonaldD, Welcome to the forum!!
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Hi Xeon,

Thanks for responding. The drives do not have any jumpers. There are pins but the Seagate web site indicates they are for "factory use only".

The BIOS does recognize that the drives are present. The RAID is listed in the boot order options and I was able to run the onboard Intel setup program. I had the CD-ROM listed first to boot from the Windows CD. I have now changed that to boot from the RAID first. XP still does not recognize the drives.

The OS is not installed because the Windows setup does not find the drives to intall to and it stops. That is the problem, I can't install the OS at all. Any more suggestions of what to look for? Thanks.

Update I finally got XP Pro to install. I had to dig around on the Asus CD to find the answer. It is not in the manual anywhere. I had to extract the driver files from the CD and put them on a floppy. Then, when the Windows setup started I had to press F6 to install the drivers. Thanks Asus for not letting us in on this little secret.

Now I cannot get XP to recognize the onboard LAN adapter. I'm still digging into that one.

Don
 
Hmm, I would think that would be a MINIMUM Dx requirement, but I could be wrong. Did you check the error log it mentioned and see if says something needed Dx 8.1 and NO NEWER version, or go to their support area at the site mentioned and ask them? This is pretty bad if it ONLY works with 8.1. (BTW, Dx 9b is out now).
 
It is not DX9. I just ran 3DMark2001 SE on my system.
I have DX9b with an ATI AIW 9700 Pro and it worked fine.
Go to the Start/Run command line and type "dxdiag" , click OK.
If it asks about digital sig checking say no and run some of the tests.

You may have to re-install DX9b from here.

If you do re-install DX9, I would un-install 3DMark and then re-install it after DX9 is installed.
 
Looking pretty good there JP.
Have you tried to tighten those Memory Settings?
Here is a quote from 3DMark2001SE site.
From what is says you don't have to re-install DX9.0, just 3DMark.

Q: I installed DirectX 9 and now 3DMark2001 SE tells me that I need DirectX 8.1, what gives?
A: We have noticed this behavior and the solution is quite easy. Uninstall your 3DMark2001 SE, download the latest version (Build 330) if you don`t have it already, reboot your machine and install 3DMark2001 SE again.
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FAQ here
 
Hi John

XEON helped me get to this point the other night

Im sure how to tighten timings ????

Remember Im new ( but learning) to all this building , OC'in


I have uninstalled 3Dmarks 2001 se a second time , and still no luck

Perhaps this time will work for me

Thanks


JP
 
Originally posted by: jcpiercy
Hi John

XEON helped me get to this point the other night

Im sure how to tighten timings ????

Remember Im new ( but learning) to all this building , OC'in


I have uninstalled 3Dmarks 2001 se a second time , and still no luck

Perhaps this time will work for me

Thanks


JP
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Hello JP,

I wouldn't even mess with the memory timings until you find the highest FSB that your setup can handle and still be stable.

To do this go into the BIOS and start pumping up the 'CPU External Frequency (Mhz)' about 5-10 units at a time (using the + and -) until you either cannot boot up, or running Prime95 or UT2003 will not run through it's paces.

Once you've hit the ceiling on that then you can try lowering your memory timings within the Chipset portion of the BIOS. In other words changing your 2.5-4-4-7-8 to 2.5-4-3-5 -4 etc. Seeing how long she can go.

Hope this helps.... I'll go into more detail later if you need some more explanation, or I'm sure that jhites or computer can also provide some methods they use to get you headed in the right direction..... I have to run to work *Uggghhhhh* I'll talk to you all later tonight!
 
From your CPU_Z screen shot it shows running at 1.66vcore so I assume that you are about 1.65 in the BIOS. I would not take this any higher when you start raising the fsb. You should be able to get about 265fsb minimum as a general rule with a 2.4C processor. Some get better, others not as good. 265fsb will put you at 3.2Ghz which is a good overclock.
 
My new box didnt like 265 , blue screen
So I backed it off to 260 ,

and here are the results

What are the danger zones ( temps ) for this board

HIGHER TEMPS

New clock speed at 260

REALCLOCK



havent done anything with BIOS , should I leave it alone ??
or should I try a new bios

Do I lose my current OC settings ?


Tried installing Asus Update from mobo cd , it didnt like my sys 🙁

thx

John
 
Looking good JP.

Your temps are good for idle temps.
What are your temps showing when under full load?
ie: 2 instances of Prime95 after about 30 minutes.
I personally only consider load temps as idle temps are
never to high unless the heatsink is not mounted properly.
 
Hey JC, glad you are up and running, hope the fun outweighs the frustrations for you so far. When most people that are after high scores run 3dmark, they do all kinds of stuff to boost their scores. One of these things which I am not sure if anyone has told you to try, is to right click on the desktop, click on properties, and then click the settings tab. Down towards the bottom right, click advanced. Then, depending on your drivers (my ATI drivers are 3.7 I believe) you will have sections for 3D settings, or maybe seperate ones for OpenGL and Direct3D. If you go into those, and turn everything to performance settings (basically all sliders to the left). When you have done this, your score will go up quite a bit, if you haven't done this already. Good luck, and have a good time man.

Smithers
 
Hey guys, I know this post belongs in the HDD category, but I'd rather post here, since u guys actually reply qiuckly 😛

I have a Maxtor 80Gb 7200RPM 8MB buffer ATA133 HDD, and I might be getting a second one. My question is, what's the difference b/t RAID0, RAID1, and RAID0 + 1? Would I have to reformat my current HDD for one or more of those to work? I know one of em is mirroring and another is striping, but what does that mean? Thanks a bunch!
 
Originally posted by: CannibalisticH0b0
Hey guys, I know this post belongs in the HDD category, but I'd rather post here, since u guys actually reply qiuckly 😛

I have a Maxtor 80Gb 7200RPM 8MB buffer ATA133 HDD, and I might be getting a second one. My question is, what's the difference b/t RAID0, RAID1, and RAID0 + 1? Would I have to reformat my current HDD for one or more of those to work? I know one of em is mirroring and another is striping, but what does that mean? Thanks a bunch!
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Heya CannibalisticH0b0

RAID 0

RAID 0 formats the drives in such a way that writes to the drives are performed in alternating chunks. They're also read off the drive in alternating chunks as well. This process is known as "striping", and improves both read and write performance, though read performance gains more than writes. The reason for the performance gain is simple: as one drive streams data from the platter, the other drive can get its read head ready to send the next chunk of data. There's less waiting for access time, and the S-ATA bus is busier.

RAID 0 setups allow you to specify different chunk or stripe sizes, typically ranging from as low as 8KB to 128KB. Different stripe sizes have differing impacts on performance. Large chunk sizes are great for streaming big data files, while smaller stripe sizes may be better for random access applications

RAID 1

RAID 1 is the first truly redundant RAID level. In RAID 1, data is replicated -- "mirrored" onto each drive. This has an obvious impact on write performance -- you have to write the data twice, once to each drive. However, there's a subtle, potentially positive impact on read performance, since the first head to get to the data can submit the read.

RAID 0+1

Finally, for our purposes, there's RAID 0+1. Very few motherboard-down RAID controllers will support this, as you need four drives. RAID 0+1 creates a striped, redundant array. You get both better performance, and the security of having mirrored drives. However, this is mitigated by the fact that you now have four mechanical devices, which does slightly increase the probability of one drive failing.

What does this all mean? Well if your working with files that are always very large in size (Video, Large Graphics files etc.) then you get some good benefit with going with RAID. If your setup and doing web server or something like that, that use small file sizes, you may be better off not using RAID. If you setup your striping using the appropriate file size when you set it up, you can see some good performance gains.

For most users however, RAID may give you a performance hit but if your doing mission critical things then going with a RAID 1 or a RAID 0+1 may be the best bet due to it's safety in keeping two copies of your drive in check. If you don't need any of these things then a RAID setup may not be in order. The only way you'll really know is to test it with the things you do most and see if you get gains. If your a gamer, you will probably see a performance gain when playing due to the large file size manipulation that goes on, but here again, you have to set it up with the right stripping to see it and there is no guarantee

There are some good articles online that discuss this subject in pretty good detail so you may want to do a google search to find the latest ones out there.

Hope this helps,
 
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