*** Official ASUS P4C800/Deluxe (875P) Thread ***

[walk2]

Ambient room temp - 80F
CPU 47C idle / 58C loaded
MB temp reports 33C
(If the room temp is lower it runs a bit cooler of course, that's an extreme example).


Nobody else has problems with USB printers and this board?? This is driving me nuts, I've tried everything. It's weird sometimes when I boot up in Device Manager under USB it has a yellow question mark next to "USB Printing Support" and in the drivers it says "This service could not start". Then sometimes if I try uninstalling that item and doing a "Scan for hardware changes" - like Microsoft suggests, instead of "USB Printing Support" it will install itself as "Unknown USB device" or something. No matter what, it refuses to print anything...

 

[mooteh]

My P4C800-E Deluxe just died 2 nights ago. Shut it off to go to sleep. Couldn't sleep so I got back up and tried to turn the comp back on. Fans tried to spin and the whole thing just died. Green light indicating is lit on the motherboard. Not the CPU not the PSU or anything else cuz I tried different parts. I can't believe motherboards can just die like that. Looked up on this problem and it seemed like few people had similar problems. Asus suggested that retail intel cooling causes too much tension on mobo but I loosened it a bit as some people suggested and it seemed to fix the problem form them but it didnt' work for me. Comp was working fine till it died. Less than 1 month old... time to waste more money on sending it back to newegg for RMA replacement.... Picked up a Lanparty i875 board from local Fry's to test to see if it boots and it boots up no problem. Therefore my P4C800-E Deluxe is the problem..... wonder if I should bother with a replacement or just try out a different mobo... the lanparty looks pretty sweet with UV lighting

ASUS P4C800-E Delue
P4 2.4C retail
Radeon 9500 Pro
Kingston HyperX 512 x 2 PC3200
2 x WD raptor
1 x Maxtor 200Gb
1 x WD 80Gb

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: walk2
Nobody else has problems with USB printers and this board?? This is driving me nuts, I've tried everything. It's weird sometimes when I boot up in Device Manager under USB it has a yellow question mark next to "USB Printing Support" and in the drivers it says "This service could not start". Then sometimes if I try uninstalling that item and doing a "Scan for hardware changes" - like Microsoft suggests, instead of "USB Printing Support" it will install itself as "Unknown USB device" or something. No matter what, it refuses to print anything...

Some printers need to have their our usb. If you have it connected to other usb devices, it may cause problems. Running a HP 970Cse on mine and never had any problems with any usb devices on the board. Scanner, mouse, keyboard and printer are all usb.

 

[vetteguy]

After almost 2 months, I'm still having issues with this board. At this point I am totally unable to play 3d games on it due to total video corruption. I have an ATI 9700 Pro, and whenever I play a 3D game the video goes in and out to a black screen. The game doesn't crash, but it's like the video just blinks in and out. Also, if I try running something in windowed mode the whole system shows video instabality. There was a point when this would happen for about 5 minutes and then the whole system would just power down and not start again until I unplugged it and let it sit for several minutes. I thought this could have been a power supply issue, so I replaced it with a brand new 420W PSU, but it displays the same behavior. I have taken the Radeon out and put it in another system, and I get no video corruption whatsoever, it runs perfectly. I have stripped the drivers on the Asus system and have the latest 3.4's on it, still no go. At this point I'm betting that it's either

chipset problem with the 9700 series
bad AGP port on motherboard
something fubar'd in the BIOS

Has anyone seen this type of problem with this board? I'm getting kind of tired of not being able to game with the gaming system I bought 2 months ago.

 

[solrak]

Jhites,

I have 2-3-2-5-8 working with auto settings, which I have it set to now.
It works with the same settings you posted earlier.
I did notice that performance mode needed to be disabled regardless of settings.

I consider OCing a different issue than simply reducing my timings like I'm trying to do right now.
Anyway, right now I have the stock cooler only, but I never leave my PC OC'd very long (1-2 min only).
I'm also using the nasty stock pad, which I didn't know I should not have used.
I hope it's not too late to take that pad off.

I usually just check to see if XP boots at all, and consider booting a success.

I think I am just going to RMA this 3200LL and get the 3500C2, since I plan to overclock anyway.

Or do you think it would be better to get the 4000TWINX?
I have read that the timings were too crappy on those at 2-3-3-7 though, and that I should stick to 3500C2.
On the other hand, I have read that timings don't matter...

I don't know anymore!!

It's too early...

 

[kevman]

Originally posted by: vetteguy
After almost 2 months, I'm still having issues with this board. At this point I am totally unable to play 3d games on it due to total video corruption. I have an ATI 9700 Pro, and whenever I play a 3D game the video goes in and out to a black screen. The game doesn't crash, but it's like the video just blinks in and out. Also, if I try running something in windowed mode the whole system shows video instabality. There was a point when this would happen for about 5 minutes and then the whole system would just power down and not start again until I unplugged it and let it sit for several minutes. I thought this could have been a power supply issue, so I replaced it with a brand new 420W PSU, but it displays the same behavior. I have taken the Radeon out and put it in another system, and I get no video corruption whatsoever, it runs perfectly. I have stripped the drivers on the Asus system and have the latest 3.4's on it, still no go. At this point I'm betting that it's either

chipset problem with the 9700 series
bad AGP port on motherboard
something fubar'd in the BIOS



Has anyone seen this type of problem with this board? I'm getting kind of tired of not being able to game with the gaming system I bought 2 months ago.

did you try unstinstalling smartgart? Ati has an uninstaller on their website, and canterwoods + 9700 pro's have some issues due to smart gart. Also catalyst 3.6 is out, I'd give it a shot if unstinstalling smartgart doesnt work

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: solrak
Jhites,

I think I am just going to RMA this 3200LL and get the 3500C2, since I plan to overclock anyway.

Or do you think it would be better to get the 4000TWINX?
I have read that the timings were too crappy on those at 2-3-3-7 though, and that I should stick to 3500C2.
On the other hand, I have read that timings don't matter...

I don't know anymore!!

It's too early...

If you are still running 260fsb @ 3.384 then 2-3-2-5-8, ain't to shabby. I assume that you are running the mem @ 2.85vdimm. If not, then try that to get 2-2-2-5-4. If you are already at 2.85vdimm, you may or may not get any better with the 3500C2. The 2X256 Corsair 3500C2 that I have in one of my systems (P4P800-E) is the BH5 chips and it will do 2-2-2-5 @ 263 (5:4) with 2.85vdimm (DDR422). As for the 4000, I think that is a bunch of overclocked PC3200 with very relaxed timings. Of course PC3500 is overclocked PC3200, also.

 

[jamesbond007]

Originally posted by: vetteguy
After almost 2 months, I'm still having issues with this board. At this point I am totally unable to play 3d games on it due to total video corruption. I have an ATI 9700 Pro, and whenever I play a 3D game the video goes in and out to a black screen. The game doesn't crash, but it's like the video just blinks in and out. Also, if I try running something in windowed mode the whole system shows video instabality. There was a point when this would happen for about 5 minutes and then the whole system would just power down and not start again until I unplugged it and let it sit for several minutes. I thought this could have been a power supply issue, so I replaced it with a brand new 420W PSU, but it displays the same behavior. I have taken the Radeon out and put it in another system, and I get no video corruption whatsoever, it runs perfectly. I have stripped the drivers on the Asus system and have the latest 3.4's on it, still no go. At this point I'm betting that it's either

chipset problem with the 9700 series
bad AGP port on motherboard
something fubar'd in the BIOS

Has anyone seen this type of problem with this board? I'm getting kind of tired of not being able to game with the gaming system I bought 2 months ago.

Have you updated your BIOS to the latest? I have an AIW R9700 Pro and it works great! I have the 1011b2 BIOS right now...just got the system this weekend!

 

[vetteguy]

Originally posted by: jamesbond007

Originally posted by: vetteguy
After almost 2 months, I'm still having issues with this board. At this point I am totally unable to play 3d games on it due to total video corruption. I have an ATI 9700 Pro, and whenever I play a 3D game the video goes in and out to a black screen. The game doesn't crash, but it's like the video just blinks in and out. Also, if I try running something in windowed mode the whole system shows video instabality. There was a point when this would happen for about 5 minutes and then the whole system would just power down and not start again until I unplugged it and let it sit for several minutes. I thought this could have been a power supply issue, so I replaced it with a brand new 420W PSU, but it displays the same behavior. I have taken the Radeon out and put it in another system, and I get no video corruption whatsoever, it runs perfectly. I have stripped the drivers on the Asus system and have the latest 3.4's on it, still no go. At this point I'm betting that it's either

chipset problem with the 9700 series
bad AGP port on motherboard
something fubar'd in the BIOS

Has anyone seen this type of problem with this board? I'm getting kind of tired of not being able to game with the gaming system I bought 2 months ago.

Have you updated your BIOS to the latest? I have an AIW R9700 Pro and it works great! I have the 1011b2 BIOS right now...just got the system this weekend!

I think I am running the 1007, but I'm not sure. Do you still need to boot from a floppy to flash the BIOS? After I built the system I took the floppy out because I didn't have room for it.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: vetteguy

Originally posted by: jamesbond007

Originally posted by: vetteguy
After almost 2 months, I'm still having issues with this board. At this point I am totally unable to play 3d games on it due to total video corruption. I have an ATI 9700 Pro, and whenever I play a 3D game the video goes in and out to a black screen. The game doesn't crash, but it's like the video just blinks in and out. Also, if I try running something in windowed mode the whole system shows video instabality. There was a point when this would happen for about 5 minutes and then the whole system would just power down and not start again until I unplugged it and let it sit for several minutes. I thought this could have been a power supply issue, so I replaced it with a brand new 420W PSU, but it displays the same behavior. I have taken the Radeon out and put it in another system, and I get no video corruption whatsoever, it runs perfectly. I have stripped the drivers on the Asus system and have the latest 3.4's on it, still no go. At this point I'm betting that it's either

chipset problem with the 9700 series
bad AGP port on motherboard
something fubar'd in the BIOS

Has anyone seen this type of problem with this board? I'm getting kind of tired of not being able to game with the gaming system I bought 2 months ago.

Have you updated your BIOS to the latest? I have an AIW R9700 Pro and it works great! I have the 1011b2 BIOS right now...just got the system this weekend!

I think I am running the 1007, but I'm not sure. Do you still need to boot from a floppy to flash the BIOS? After I built the system I took the floppy out because I didn't have room for it.

In my case with the (Asus P4C800-E Deluxe) you dont need a floppy to flash the bios, mine came with an update program in the box. Its a CD program that has an update feature, you install the feature then you flash the bios from a download site that it even picks for you automatically.

Just install it follow the directions and it will flash the bios for you, the CD even has a feature that tells you the bios you are using, I am using the 1010 for my system. You do have to reset your bios after you flash them of course but it was a breeze to do.

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: vetteguy
After almost 2 months, I'm still having issues with this board. At this point I am totally unable to play 3d games on it due to total video corruption. I have an ATI 9700 Pro, and whenever I play a 3D game the video goes in and out to a black screen. The game doesn't crash, but it's like the video just blinks in and out. Also, if I try running something in windowed mode the whole system shows video instabality. There was a point when this would happen for about 5 minutes and then the whole system would just power down and not start again until I unplugged it and let it sit for several minutes. I thought this could have been a power supply issue, so I replaced it with a brand new 420W PSU, but it displays the same behavior. I have taken the Radeon out and put it in another system, and I get no video corruption whatsoever, it runs perfectly. I have stripped the drivers on the Asus system and have the latest 3.4's on it, still no go. At this point I'm betting that it's either

chipset problem with the 9700 series
bad AGP port on motherboard
something fubar'd in the BIOS

Has anyone seen this type of problem with this board? I'm getting kind of tired of not being able to game with the gaming system I bought 2 months ago.

There are a lot of issues with the 9700 that is below revision -30. I finally got mine to run stable by increasing the vagp to 1.7v and then re-installing from format using this quide.

As kevman mentioned you might try unchecking fastwrites under the smartgart tab and uncheck write-combining under the troubleshoot tab.

 

[walk2]

Originally posted by: jhites

Originally posted by: walk2
Nobody else has problems with USB printers and this board?? This is driving me nuts, I've tried everything. It's weird sometimes when I boot up in Device Manager under USB it has a yellow question mark next to "USB Printing Support" and in the drivers it says "This service could not start". Then sometimes if I try uninstalling that item and doing a "Scan for hardware changes" - like Microsoft suggests, instead of "USB Printing Support" it will install itself as "Unknown USB device" or something. No matter what, it refuses to print anything...

Some printers need to have their our usb. If you have it connected to other usb devices, it may cause problems. Running a HP 970Cse on mine and never had any problems with any usb devices on the board. Scanner, mouse, keyboard and printer are all usb.

Had the same config on an older Asus (AMD 1.4) board with no printing problems.
I have 4 USB devices, printer, camera, gamepad and UPS. I've tried moving the printer to another port and tried disconnecting everything except the printer. Only thing I haven't done is tried the printer on the old computer again to make sure it still works. Either that or try the parallel port...

 

[vetteguy]

Originally posted by: jhites

Originally posted by: vetteguy
After almost 2 months, I'm still having issues with this board. At this point I am totally unable to play 3d games on it due to total video corruption. I have an ATI 9700 Pro, and whenever I play a 3D game the video goes in and out to a black screen. The game doesn't crash, but it's like the video just blinks in and out. Also, if I try running something in windowed mode the whole system shows video instabality. There was a point when this would happen for about 5 minutes and then the whole system would just power down and not start again until I unplugged it and let it sit for several minutes. I thought this could have been a power supply issue, so I replaced it with a brand new 420W PSU, but it displays the same behavior. I have taken the Radeon out and put it in another system, and I get no video corruption whatsoever, it runs perfectly. I have stripped the drivers on the Asus system and have the latest 3.4's on it, still no go. At this point I'm betting that it's either

chipset problem with the 9700 series
bad AGP port on motherboard
something fubar'd in the BIOS

Has anyone seen this type of problem with this board? I'm getting kind of tired of not being able to game with the gaming system I bought 2 months ago.

There are a lot of issues with the 9700 that is below revision -30. I finally got mine to run stable by increasing the vagp to 1.7v and then re-installing from format using this quide.

As kevman mentioned you might try unchecking fastwrites under the smartgart tab and uncheck write-combining under the troubleshoot tab.

Well here's what I did. I flashed the BIOS to 1010 and uninstalled Smartgart as was suggested. It still displays exactly the same behavior at any resolution greater than 1024x768. If it was a problem with the card wouldn't the problem also occur in the other system I've used it in? Because I get zero corruption in that one. I will try the items you mentioned here when I get home today. If it doesn't work maybe I'll have to have the motherboard replaced.

 

[solrak]

Thanks for responding Jhites,

It doesn't matter at what voltage I run it. I can run everything standard/auto (performance mode standard) and I can get 2-3-2-5-8, but not 2-2-2-5-4 or 8. If I set 200FSB, 66/33 AGP/PCI, auto CPU volts, whatever RAM volts, it won't change my results unless I am missing something completely simple or incomprehensibly complex.

I checked out memtest and my MB/sec were 2680 with 2-3-2-5-8, 2-3-2-5-4, 2-3-2-6-8. I was kind of disapointed, since I guess my accomplishment didn't mean anything. At 2-3-3-6-8, it went down to 2533 or so.

So if I'm getting these results, you don't think I'll get any better with the 3500C2?

In that case, it may not be worth paying an extra 50 US dollars for 1GB of 3500C2.

Perhaps I should try relaxing my timings and see what RAM freq i get out of my 3200LL's... I didn't think about that before...

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: vetteguy
Well here's what I did. I flashed the BIOS to 1010 and uninstalled Smartgart as was suggested. It still displays exactly the same behavior at any resolution greater than 1024x768. If it was a problem with the card wouldn't the problem also occur in the other system I've used it in? Because I get zero corruption in that one. I will try the items you mentioned here when I get home today. If it doesn't work maybe I'll have to have the motherboard replaced.

This was a specific problem with the P4C800 and the ATI 9500/9700 series video card. Not everyone has experienced this but many have. I am running my ATI All in Wonder 9700 Pro at 1280X1024 with a refresh rate of 70 hertz on a 19" LCD and it is below the -30 revision recommended by Asus.

From page 2-17 of the P4C800-Dlx Manual:
"If installing the ATI 9500 or 9700 Pro Series VGA cards, use only the card version PN xxx-xxxxx-30 or later, for optimum performance and overclocking stability."

As I mentioned before, many ppl were able to work around this by unchecking fast writes and write combining using 1.7vagp. I did have this problem but have not experienced any trouble since increasing the vagp to 1.7v and installing everything from scratch using the guide that I linked previous. The guide has to be followed specifically to the letter. Order of install, updates and drivers. When I did the fresh install I did use the most recent drivers available for all components.

Hope it works for you.

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: solrak
Thanks for responding Jhites,

It doesn't matter at what voltage I run it. I can run everything standard/auto (performance mode standard) and I can get 2-3-2-5-8, but not 2-2-2-5-4 or 8. If I set 200FSB, 66/33 AGP/PCI, auto CPU volts, whatever RAM volts, it won't change my results unless I am missing something completely simple or incomprehensibly complex.

They are rated 2-3-2-5-1T and that is what you are getting.

So if I'm getting these results, you don't think I'll get any better with the 3500C2?

There is no guarantee that you would.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: egale
Remember though that ASUS changes the order of the memory settings so what the world states as 2-x-y-6, the order they are listed in the bios are 2-y-x-6. Set the vdimm to 2.75 and disable usb legacy support.

omg thanks for posting this... i was wondering what the hell was wrong

thanks

 

[solrak]

Thanks again Jhites!

 

[walk2]

OK, I verified that my printer still works on my old computer. It simply does not work on this board. All the other USB stuff works, but the printer refuses to.

Is this a bug in XP with the i875 or this board?

Does *anyone* else have a USB printer, pref. a HP Deskjet 800-series, working on this board? Or should I RMA it?

 

[senior guy]

Originally posted by: walk2
OK, I verified that my printer still works on my old computer. It simply does not work on this board. All the other USB stuff works, but the printer refuses to.

Is this a bug in XP with the i875 or this board?

Does *anyone* else have a USB printer, pref. a HP Deskjet 800-series, working on this board? Or should I RMA it?

I have an MS mouse and Canon printer each with USB 1.1 interface, plus a Minolta scanner with a USB 2.0 interface working perfectly with my P4C800 Dlx (with 1008 BIOS). I suspect that your problem may be the BIOS, which version do you have?

 

[palm]

VITTEGUY........................I had the same problem with asus p4p800....... The game doesn't crash, but it's like the video just blinks in and out.....when i put gf4 ti 400-600..(i have 3 of them..gainword,creative,leadtek)
when i put gf2 or gf3 cards ..all were ok..!!!!
And all this without o/c.......
i change my mobo p4p800 with an other the same...
and it was the same problem............
it seems that theese mobos have problems with GF4 TI400-600 AND DIRECTX8 ,8.1..etc...
So i bought the..ALBATRON PX865PE PROII ....and then i have no problem with the above vga carts.....
all of them are runing perfectly....

 

[palm]

OK I MEAN ......GF4 TI 4400-4600..........

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: walk2
OK, I verified that my printer still works on my old computer. It simply does not work on this board. All the other USB stuff works, but the printer refuses to.
Is this a bug in XP with the i875 or this board?
Does *anyone* else have a USB printer, pref. a HP Deskjet 800-series, working on this board? Or should I RMA it?

I am using the HP Deskjet 970cse and have not had any problems. I also have it set up to be used by two other systems on my home network. It sounds like a driver issue. Are you using the most current XP driver?

 

[walk2]

I am using the HP Deskjet 970cse and have not had any problems. I also have it set up to be used by two other systems on my home network. It sounds like a driver issue. Are you using the most current XP driver?

There aren't any XP drivers anywhere that I can find! Only the ones on the orginal XP disc. It's not just the printer drivers either, the USB drivers have trouble starting sometimes.

Take a look at these pics to see what I mean:

error1 error2 error3 error4

Guess I will RMA it What a bummer, I've had 4 Asus boards now and never any trouble..

 

[trininox]

Vette, If you dont have a floppy you can do what i did.. burn a bootable CD and then burn your bios tools and stuff to a cd and boot from the cd and run the flash, should work like it has mine... another way is install Asus Update and flash your bios from within windows!