*** Official ASUS P4C800/Deluxe (875P) Thread ***

[Lioness]

Computer: This is getting high up to 50 now. I just changed turbo to standard and timings to 2-2-2-6-8. Hopefully, this will help. I have to go to work so I won't be able to keep an eye on it throughout the day. So off it goes again. The HSF is not hot. I'm wondering if I installed it correctly. I shouldn't have gone with the stock HS&F plus thermal pad but I should be able to run it even with a modest overclock of FSB220, right? My son is trying but having a difficult time waiting to play with his new PC. I just want to get this temp down for now and then I'll order what I need to cool things off.

Any suggestion to cool it down?

 

[computer]

Any suggestion to cool it down?

Like I said, the fans I mentioned & good thermal compound. Changing timings isn't going to affect the CPU temp to speak of, only the CPU speed will affect it. The temp is going to rely also on how warm/cool it is in the room. You need at least a few fans in the case, and maybe two others where I mentioned (blowing on the HSF unit, and on blowing underneath the mobo). Until then just put the FSB back to default.

 

[computer]

Mine never gets over 100°F @3.4ghz, but it's not in a case yet and I have the fans I mentioned blowing in the places I mentioned. I also use Nanotherm PCM+ "New formulation". When I put it in the case, I have a Zalman "arm" where at least one fan will attach, and I will put a slot fan blowing on the underside of the mobo.

I've NEVER had the need for an aftermarket HSF unit on ANY PC I've ever had and they have all been O'clocked to the max, and they've all been rather cool as CPU's go. Of course I never game, so that's going to keep temp's down. I'm surprised no one ever mentions CPUidle. Back in the days of the Celeron 300's @500mhz, I used it and it will decrease your CPU temp by about 15°F. In some instances, my CPU temps were BELOW room temp! This was not only on Celerons but PIII's as well. For some reason I've never had to use it on P4's. In the options, you need to set it to not disable on high CPU load. If you do set it to disable on high CPU loads, the temp's will really climb. Of course you want CPUidle to disable with something like CPU intensive gaming for example, so it's up to the user to know whether or not to enable or disable that option. If you do set it to disable on high CPU loads, then you're going to need extra fans or maybe an aftermarket HSF unit.

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: Lioness
Computer: This is getting high up to 50 now. I just changed turbo to standard and timings to 2-2-2-6-8. Hopefully, this will help. I have to go to work so I won't be able to keep an eye on it throughout the day. So off it goes again. The HSF is not hot. I'm wondering if I installed it correctly. I shouldn't have gone with the stock HS&F plus thermal pad but I should be able to run it even with a modest overclock of FSB220, right? My son is trying but having a difficult time waiting to play with his new PC. I just want to get this temp down for now and then I'll order what I need to cool things off.

Any suggestion to cool it down?

Get yourself a Thermalright SP-94 Heatsink and some Arctic Silver 5 Thermal compound and you won't have any problems with cpu temps!

 

[Lioness]

I have this chip Intel Thermal Guidelines 75.1 and Thermal Spec 72C. Are these referring to the thermal pad? If not what do these mean? When I touch my HSF it's only lukewarm to cool, even at 50C. If my CPU is heating up I would think my fan would spin faster to disipate the heat, therefore it should be hot, right? Or is my reasoning wrong. Does the thermal pad need to melt first to fill in the gaps on CPU and thereby force a better adhesion between HSF & CPU. Or are all these stupid, irrelevant questions?

I failed to mention my chassis fan is not hooked up. I have an Antec case and have no idea which plug to use for this. The manuals aren't clear. My son wants to play games. Obsiously that's going to be a problem. I'm getting the feeling I bought a corvette, decent mobo, ram and cpu but I'm running it only at 50mph because of the HSF & lack of decent thermal paste.

At least I'm learning from my mistakes.

 

[benRWiart]

Thx computer for your answer. I discovered my answer. Registered ECC or not ECC ram won't work on P4C800 E Deluxe, if this can help others.
I'm gonna have to send these back and get the twinx1024 PC3200C2 or LL.
thx

 

[computer]

Where did you see that? The P4C800-E Deluxe will support ECC memory, but I don't know about "registered". Most if not all 875 chipset mobo's support ECC memory.

 

[computer]

Dawn, yes you want your HSF unit to be a bit warm. If it's not, then there's something wrong with the "thermal interface" between the CPU and HSF unit (if your CPU is that hot). Feel the underside of the mobo under the CPU and see if that is a bit hot.

Those specs are the CPU, not the HSF unit. Your fan on the CPU heatsink should not be slowing down. If it is, you must have "Q Fan" enabled in the BIOS, you should disable that.

I've never noticed the Intel thermal pad getting any better after it's been used a while. Any "melting" is going to take place within the first several minutes or so. While it's true that some thermal compound needs to be "broken in" for optimum heat transfer, I don't know if that is the case with the Intel pad.

 

[Lioness]

computer:
I checked taskmanager on xp and saw that my CPU usage was 50%. Prime95 is the culprit. Before I started using Prime95, on first bootup with all apps loaded, I believe my temps were high 30's. Prime boosted them to mid/high 40's. After running Prime for couple days and shutting it off tonight my temps dropped to consistent mid 20's. This temp is lower than my first bootup. I'm wondering if these results indicate a slow burn in.

I would like to shut off some apps that are running in the background but before I do so I need to know if these exe's need to be running. I have 9600XT and I'm using onboard sound. System Information says: ati2evxx.exe (it shows two of these), atiptaxx.exe, smagent.exe; smax4.exe; smax4pnp.exe

thanks

 

[computer]

What are you doing with Prime running in the background?

You can disable all of that ATI crap, I have an AIW and it has NOTHING running in the BG. All app's for it still work too. You have to watch for that atiptaxx (or whatever it is). Every time you open the display properties & advanced area that will be loaded again from then on at startup. So, every time you do that you have to MSCONFIG and uncheck that damn box again. ATI does all sorts of aggravating crap. I think those other sma things are the sound card (integrated sound) of which none them need to be running either for audio to work.

BTW, if you're new to XP (even if you're not) there is about 30 things that really should be disabled under the main "Services" area, and the "services" tab in MSCONFIG as well. http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm can give you more info on them, but I don't think they go into much detail on what everyone needs to know, and that is IF you can disable them or what happens if you do. They didn't last time I checked. I had to learn by trial and error. In the main "Services" area when you open that, it will tell you there what each does, but it's kind of cryptic, it doesn't really explain it very well. XP has loads of crap that has no business running and these that do not need/should not be running suck up RAM, resources, and not to mention some are spyware sending personal info back to M$. This is why a firewall is a MUST with XP. The integrated XP firewall is NOT ENOUGH since it only blocks traffic one way (I always forget which).
-Clint

 

[benRWiart]

Computer, sorry my english is not one of the best, you're right, it does accept ECC, doesn't accept registered ram which could be ECC or not ECC.
By the way, I got another question related to the assembly of my motherboard and cpu.
I hahe a P4 3.2C and bought an sink coolermaster aero 4 lite, but the specs on their website says that this sink is made for P4 northwood up to 3.06.
Am I out of range. Does it mean it won't cool my 3.2 enough?

Thx

 

[computer]

Looks fine to me, where are you from?

I often wondered about your question a lot myself. I haven't seen any HSF units (of the ones I was looking at) that mentioned anything more than 3.2ghz tops. Could be that since Intel doesn't make any P4's faster than 3.2ghz, and only made them up to 3.06ghz until recently, the "print" just hasn't caught up yet. Also, maybe the HSF unit makers don't test/consider O'clocking in their specs.

Going by a site like http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp_p9.htm and the HSF unit tests, one can see that the stock P4 HSF is .53° C/W, (and some of the more expensive ones are worse than that). However since most of the more expensive aftermarket units have a better rating, it could be logical to assume they would also cool better at ~3.4ghz speeds compared to the stock Intel HSF unit. Right? Maybe. Or, could it be that the stock Intel unit does a better job when O'clocking is done to beyond the aftermarket HSF unit's specs of 3.06-3.2ghz? Since I've even used an aftermarket HSF unit (never needed one) I can't answer this from personal experience, however many here can. They've dumped the stock Intel unit for more expensive aftermarket units and have gotten lower CPU temps (I guess). An expert on HSF units is going to have to chime in here and clear this up.

BTW & FWIW, It's worth pointing out how well the stock Intel unit compares to the expensive ones at that webpage! It's even better than some of the expensive HSF units.

Since you said your English is not so good, you may not know this:
BTW = By the way
FWIW = For what it's worth
Also, if you see someone type this symbol ~ , that usually means "give or take" or "plus or minus" a little bit, "there abouts", "in the general area", etc.

I forgot to mention to WATCH OUT for the Trojan at that website!! Not all are getting the anti-virus alert, but my PCcillin certainly is blowing a gasket over it!! He said it's a "false alarm", but I think the jury is still out on that one.

 

[benRWiart]

I'm from France but I live in the US.
I got another issue with my ati 9800 Pro. It has a power connection cable which is suppose to go to the power supply. I'm ok with that, but this cable goes also to the hard drive power connector???? Why is that? Do Ineed to do this?

Plus, I got a sata power connection on my hard drive, and ati's cable is not. ?????

 

[computer]

I haven't used a video card yet that required separate power. I seriously doubt it goes to the HD (hard drive), that might be just a "pass-thru" to not take up a molex power connector. ? I would guess you plug it into the HD's power connector, then piggy back the main power supply's power in to it. Since you mention your SATA drive's power connector in relation to your video card, I'm inclined to think it's what I said above, just a pass-thru.

This may help you sometimes (in case you don't already know about it). http://babelfish.altavista.com/

 

[benRWiart]

Thx for everything.
I don't get it very well, the cable through the hard drive, I don't see why I should have that when my psu provide a sata power cable and a cable just for the video card. I don't know what was ATI's idea here.
I'll keep looking for an answer.
BTW, where are you cause it's pretty late for me 2AM.

 

[computer]

No problem, welcome. It's 3AM here (see my profile) I'm in LA. That's Louisiana, not L . A . I work nights.

Are you new to computers? Most every time you get any kind of internal PC hardware that requires a 4 pin Molex connector, it's "piggy backed" so you won't lose one of the power supply's 4 pin Molex connectors. Fans are like this, internal HD coolers, etc. The accessory device whatever it may be, plugs into ANOTHER device, then the power supply plugs into that so you won't lose a power connector. Just because your supply may have ample connectors does not mean that some have too few. Those that have too few connectors really need these piggy backed connectors. I hope you know what I mean by "piggy backed". It serves the same purpose as a "Y" connector.

 

[computer]

I'd have to see a photo to know exactly what you're talking about. I may not be thinking of what you're trying to describe, but I think I am. Also, not all supplies have SATA power connectors. If your video card needs a power connector that is different from the one that connects to your CDROM or CDRW drives, then we're talking about something different. That's a "4 pin Molex" that connects to optical drives and IDE hard drives. Ok, I found an image here. One of those connects to the power supply and the other connects to ANOTHER device that requires power from a 4 pin Molex. That's more like a semi-"Y" connector if you will. This one is more like a "piggy backed" version. One end of that connector goes to the hard drive, and the other end is open to which the power supply connects.

 

[benRWiart]

Thx a lot to keep on helping me. I think your right, it's a 'Y' and I guess ATI did it in case you don't have any 4 pin Molex connector on your power supply.
Anyway, here is what I'm gonna do:
Use the 4 pin molex in my power supply to connect my video card.
Use the sata power connector in my power supply to connect my hard drive.
Not use the one provided by ATI.
The only difference is that my video card and my hard drive won't be using the same power connector.
I think that's fine, even better, isn't it?

Yop, I'm new to comp building, this is my first one, that's why I'm so questionning.
Btw, Louisiana is a nice state, I like it, especially New Orleans.

 

[computer]

Nice of you to say that, yeah New Orleans is nice I live about 75 miles from there in Baton Rouge.....but Baton Rouge leaves a lot to be desired! LOL.

Doesn't really matter which connectors you use, but for some reason I'm in the habit of trying not to "share" power connectors unless I run out. Since you're new to this, do not install anything first time around. Only hook up the CPU, video card, memory and the power supply to be sure it boots up OK and all looks ok. Then hook up your floppy, boot from it, and run the memory tests (Memtest86 and Microsoft Windows Memory Diagnostics, AKA "WMD"). That info is in this thread and you can find them in a search, both are free. Once on the floppies, you just boot off each floppy and let the test run. Once you have no errors, THEN and ONLY then hook up the optical drives and the HD. Run the tests again to be sure the drives didn't mess anything up and they are ok and seen properly in the BIOS. You're probably going to have to ask a lot of questions about the BIOS. Once the BIOS is set properly and everything looks ok, then and only then do you install Windows. Your motherboard (mobo) is NOT in a case during this time. During this time you should hook up the case's power switch, and all the other switches and LED's to be sure they work ok, but the mobo is not in the case during this time. DO NOT install it in your case until you're positive it's working perfectly with Windows, then you put it in your case.

I'm going to be busy the next several days on a customer's PC, so I may not be here very often. Someone else will be able to answer if I don't.

BTW, guys, I need XP Pro for a customer's PC. Is Pricewatch the best place for prices or is it cheaper than $130 elsewhere? Also, does anyone know what "DSP" means on the XP Pro description at some sites that sell it? I've never seen this before.

 

[benRWiart]

Thx a lot for your advices. Usefull. I'll do my best and I know I'll have some problems.
For example I got a sata HD and windows doesn't see it for a first install: I have to use floppy...

Your price on XP looks pretty good for the pro version.
I can't help about DSP

See you around.

 

[computer]

Welcome.

Remember don't try and install Windows until you've done all what I suggested first. I don't know why so many have trouble with the Raptor or other SATA drive being seen. I never had any problems. I don't recall if I let the XP CD or the Western Digital utility format first it though. I just set the CDROM drive as the boot device and boot from the XP CD to install XP on the SATA drive. Come to think of it, it would be easier to boot from the WD CD (if you have one) then let it format it, then boot from the XP CD to install XP on it. If you don't have a WD CD, you can get what you need from their website.

 

[rpr]

FYI - BIOS 1016 is now available on Asus' web site.

Anybody try it???

 

[anberg]

Greetings from a Newbie:

My son just built a hot computer for his Dad to do Photoshop (I scan medium format negatives at 14 bit and get 400mb files). Here's what he did:

Pentium 3.2 on the ASUS P4C800/Deluxe
2x1GB sticks of Corsair Twin X 3200 @400
GE Force 5600
2x200 GB Maxtor Drives running at RAID 0
37 GB SATA Barracuda scratch disk

Two questions:

1. Photoshop is a RAM hog (particularly with the file sizes I work with) I was thinking of adding two more 1GB sticks, for a total of 4GB.

If I do that is there any sacrifice in speed?. For some reason I thought DDR only worked with two sticks, but I think that's probably wrong

2. We're not overclocking wizards, so we're not going to tweak to the limit. We did set the BIOS to overclock 10% (so, 3.52) and it seems to be running fine. Running SISOFT SANDRA CPU Benchmark repeatedly so CPU was @ 100% for 10 minutes resulted in CPU temperature of 125F.

Question: Any problem at 125F ? What's the max safe temperature to push the CPU to?

 

[computer]

FYI - BIOS 1016 is now available on Asus' web site.

Evidently not. I mentioned that a while back about v15 and asked the same thing, never got a reply. (Why can't these Asus morons do something about their site?? Every time I go there it's "The server is currently unavailable.")

I'd like to know most of all, if v15 or v16 puts back UDMA6 support on the Native controllers. They didn't mention that on v15 and I can't get to v16 now.

 

[computer]

anberg, you have to use an even # of slots for dual channel operation; 2 or 4.

Wow. 400mb file at only 14 bit? You sure that's not 24 bit? You must be scanning in bmp format. Scan to IrfanView and save it as a 100% jpg, it would be LOADS smaller. 4gb isn't going to slow anything down, it might speed things up since you're working with such huge file sizes. Just be sure you get the EXACT SAME memory sticks.

I don't know about the max CPU temp, or if that's normal for running the CPU bench in Sandra, but 125°F sounds OK for that much of a load. What does it run normally?