*** Official ASUS P4C800/Deluxe (875P) Thread ***

[DaveR]

If it's mission critical, you need the servers we make. Are 104 CPU's enough? We only have 576 GB of memory. I hope it is enough!

Originally posted by: computer
Yes, everything is back to normal now. I can't have this crap happening, this going to be a "mission critical" PC and in the next few days I'm moving over to it. That's scary.

No, in the posts where I mentioned temps, that was CPU temps.

 

[ItsMillerTime]

I'm thinking about rma-ing the p4p800-se, don't like it running at 40c. I'll try testing it again at idle.

 

[computer]

Originally posted by: ItsMillerTime
I'm thinking about rma-ing the p4p800-se, don't like it running at 40c. I'll try testing it again at idle.

What type of TIM are you using?

 

[computer]

Originally posted by: DaveR
If it's mission critical, you need the servers we make. Are 104 CPU's enough? We only have 576 GB of memory. I hope it is enough!

I don't need a server though. I take it that's not just in ONE computer.

 

[ItsMillerTime]

Originally posted by: computer

Originally posted by: ItsMillerTime
I'm thinking about rma-ing the p4p800-se, don't like it running at 40c. I'll try testing it again at idle.

What type of TIM are you using?

I'm using the stuff that came with the SP-94, not sure what Thermalright is using.
Those are temp readings in BIOS monitor.
I just let it sit for a half hour in setup and mobo temps is 39c, cpu is 35c.

 

[computer]

Oh well that's a big difference. For some reason, CPU temps are always much higher in the BIOS that in Windows on a HW monitor program. At any rate, if the SP-94 came with the typical white silicone compound, then you can probably do better since none of it is any good. Also, if the HS is not close to glass smooth, that could also cause a heat problem. For some reason, the copper core of my Thermal Integration TI-T707TN I have is actually ridged on the mating surface to the CPU!! They are all like that. Lapping it would certainly (?) give a cooler CPU, but I'm not going worry about it since my temps are so cool already. Plus, it would be interesting to find out their reasoning behind a ridged HS surface since that defies optimal HS engineering practices. Also, I have heard that lapping a copper HS or core is bad since they are supposed to be covered with some kind of material that stops corrosion, and of course if the copper corrodes, your CPU will eventually fry. Thermal interface cleaner/preparer is supposed to treat the copper surface (like the type that comes in lapping kits), and the Nanotherm PCM+ TIM that I use is supposed to have corrosion inhibitors in it, but I don't know how well those work for the prevention of corrosion.

 

[computer]

Also, it's odd your mobo temp would be higher than the CPU temp. Have you felt all over the mobo for any hot FET's or other semi's? I know the P4C800-E Deluxe has two FET's that are about to melt. They blistered my finger when I would touch them. I had to heatsink mine. It was this way on THREE of them I had, so evidently it's on all of these mobo's.....unless it only happens with video cards I used. (The FET's are close to the AGP and DIMM's).

 

[ItsMillerTime]

And that's the reason why I want to rma this board. The cpu temp is always higher than the mobo IME. There has to be something wrong with the board. I'll remove it from the case and do a visual.

Thanks for the help, going to sleep now.

 

[computer]

You shouldn't have to remove it to finger feel the components. But, if you're RMA'ing it, then I guess you have to remove it anyway. I made that comment on all PC's that I've seen (about the CPU temp always being higher than the mobo), so you may want to wait to see if others feel that way too. It just doesn't make sense that the CPU temp would be lower than the mobo temp. Does anyone know where the mobo's temp sensor is? It it under the CPU where the CPU temp sensor is located, or is it one "logic chip" for all temp sensing?

 

[jhites]

Originally posted by: ItsMillerTime
And that's the reason why I want to rma this board. The cpu temp is always higher than the mobo IME. There has to be something wrong with the board. I'll remove it from the case and do a visual.

Thanks for the help, going to sleep now.

It sounds like there could be a problem with the temp sensor for that board. You could also have a air flow problem within your case which I have seen cause the MB temps to be close to the CPU temp but I have never seen the MB temp even with poor airflow be higher than the CPU temp. Asus boards actually read about 5-7C low on most of their boards. Your MB temp should be reading closer to 32C or less under full load. That is what the P4P800 board that I sold back in October '03 was reading while running two instances of Seti.

 

[DaveR]

It is, but it is big!

Originally posted by: computer

Originally posted by: DaveR
If it's mission critical, you need the servers we make. Are 104 CPU's enough? We only have 576 GB of memory. I hope it is enough!

I don't need a server though. I take it that's not just in ONE computer.

 

[ardenJ]

Hi, I don't know if it was listed in this thread because I didn't check all the pages, but I have a slight problem. I have the P4C800 Deluxe. I am running 2 SATA 36gb Raptors in RAID 0. I installed windows on the RAID array, and I have a WD IDE 80GB on the Primary IDE for storage. I went into the boot section in the BIOS, and I went to Hard Drive setup, and I set the 1st hard drive to "TX Raid Array", and I disable the 2nd Hard drive (since the IDE isn't for booting anyways). I then go to boot order and set TX RAID Array to 1st in the boot order. The second and third are disabled (if I ever need to boot off a floppy or CD-rom, I will change the boot order at that time). When that is setup, everything is fine and windows will boot up from the RAID array normally. However, sometimes when I turn on my computer instead of Windows booting it would say "Please reboot and select proper device or enter proper boot media". I make sure that I don't have any CDs or floppies in the drives, but it still says that. So I reboot and go back to the BIOS boot options. When I go there, I notice that in the Boot Order, TX RAID Array is no longer an option. It is defualting to my Western Digital IDE drive. I have to go back to the hard drive order setup and set TX Raid Array to 1st HD. I then exit the BIOS and boot up normally, but it happens again at other times when I turn on my computer. Is there any way I can make sure that the BIOS doesn't keep switching the HD and boot order? By the way, I am running Windows XP. Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[djanassis]

Hi there, a simple query really:

Could someone explain how will I be able to seriously overclock my CPU (P4 2.8 800MHz FSB) and my memory (1GB CL2 PC 3200 Kingston Hyper-X dual-channel 400MHz) on my P4C800, apart from the BIOS (+5%, +10%, +20%) settings?

I should say that whenever I set it to the +10% setting, the POST screen shows that the memory works at 266MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ideally I would like the CPU to run at 3.2ish GHz and the memory at 434MHz (as I know that my CL2 Hyper-X memory allows). I've got the standard CPU heatsink at the mo, but it has been running easily at 3.09GHz no problem, so it shouldn't be difficult to reach 3.2 I suppose.

I suppose I could tamper with the memory clock settings (if given the values that I should set), but I would also need to know what is going on (and what I shoud tamper with) the CPU core voltage and so on.

I would really appreciate some directions and the values that I should be entering.

Thanks

Dimitris


My specs:

DELL 2001FP 20" LCD, 16ms, 1600x1200@60Hz (DVI)
SONY CPD-G220 17" CRT, 1600x1200@60Hz (D-Sub)
P4 2.8GHz (800 MHz FSB, H/T)
ASUS P4C800
1024 MB DDR PC3200 CL2 Kingston Hyper-X 400MHz dual channel
ASUS v9950u GeForce FX 5900 ultra 256mb (flashed into a 5950 ultra)
2 x 80GB Western Digital (8MB cache) 7,200rpm
ASUS CRW-5232AS
SONY DVD-ROM 16x40

 

[Xeon]

Originally posted by: djanassis
Hi there, a simple query really:

Could someone explain how will I be able to seriously overclock my CPU (P4 2.8 800MHz FSB) and my memory (1GB CL2 PC 3200 Kingston Hyper-X dual-channel 400MHz) on my P4C800, apart from the BIOS (+5%, +10%, +20%) settings?

I should say that whenever I set it to the +10% setting, the POST screen shows that the memory works at 266MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ideally I would like the CPU to run at 3.2ish GHz and the memory at 434MHz (as I know that my CL2 Hyper-X memory allows). I've got the standard CPU heatsink at the mo, but it has been running easily at 3.09GHz no problem, so it shouldn't be difficult to reach 3.2 I suppose.

I suppose I could tamper with the memory clock settings (if given the values that I should set), but I would also need to know what is going on (and what I shoud tamper with) the CPU core voltage and so on.

I would really appreciate some directions and the values that I should be entering.

Thanks

Dimitris


My specs:

DELL 2001FP 20" LCD, 16ms, 1600x1200@60Hz (DVI)
SONY CPD-G220 17" CRT, 1600x1200@60Hz (D-Sub)
P4 2.8GHz (800 MHz FSB, H/T)
ASUS P4C800
1024 MB DDR PC3200 CL2 Kingston Hyper-X 400MHz dual channel
ASUS v9950u GeForce FX 5900 ultra 256mb (flashed into a 5950 ultra)
2 x 80GB Western Digital (8MB cache) 7,200rpm
ASUS CRW-5232AS
SONY DVD-ROM 16x40

Advanced Tab --> Chipset:
Configure DRAM Timing by SPD. . . . . .[Disabled]

Then change your timings etc..

Advanced Tab --> JumperFree:
AI Overclock. . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . .[Manual]
CPU External Frequency (Mhz). . . [216] (This sets your FSB i.e. you may want to run this at 200, then work your way up.)
DRAM Frequency. . . . . . . . . . . . . . [400] (This sets your divider i.e. 1:1, 5:4 and 3:2)
AGP/PCI Frequency (Mhz). . . . . . . [66.66/33.33] (This is critical to set, so that you lock down the Frequency)

CPU VCore Voltage. . . . . . . . . . . . [1.6]
DDR Reference Voltage. . . . . . . . . [2.85V] (You may want to drop this down if you have problems but most memory like the extra juice)
AGP VDDQ Voltage. . . . . . . . . . . . .[1.6]

Performance Mode. . . . . . . . . . . . .[Auto]

etc..

 

[djanassis]

Thanks a lot Michael for the prompt reply.

Could you make a recommendation as to the latency memory values?

I.e. 2-3-3-4-6-7, and which setting in the BIOS does each represent?

Are the memory values related to the tampering of the CPU core voltage? That is, will these values need to be "synchronised" with any of the CPU values?

Thanks a bunch!

Dimitris

 

[Nuker43]

Hey all me again.

My set up is:

3.0c HT 800fbs
2x 512 kingston hyper x ram 400 mhz
2x 36.7 raptor sata 10k rpm
asus p4c800 deluxe board of course

I am about to perform surgery on my pc... going to set up my raptors in a raid0 array.

Few questions before i start.

What exactly are the problems i will see in raid0? Can my harddrives be PHSYICALLY broken?

I know its risky and data can be lost but how often does this occur?

Will i be able to overclock my cpu using raid0?

What is the different between intel and the other controller? (i forget what it's called) and which one should i use?

ANY INFO whatsoever on raid0 config will help me out greatly before i dig in.

Thanks again!!!

 

[DaveR]

Hi Xeon...

Well, I put the MoBo in the case and added the CPU. I hooked up the stuff best I could as I did not have my memory yet. I am waiting for the mail today!

Boy, they could not have found a harder place for that 20 pin case connector...you know the one for switch, led's, and speaker.

Still, I turned it on and got 3 uneven beeps. I guess that meand that I have no memory.

I thought it would tell me but I just get beeps. Perhaps the speech has to be configured.

 

[DaveR]

Well, I just got the memory. Put it in (without those beautiful copper spreaders) and added my video card! I connected my monitor and keyboard. It came UP!! Sees Hyperthreaded CPU and 1GB of memory! It will not boot. Darn, the floppy and 2 SATA drives are in the other room...should that matter?

Seriously, should I put the spreaders on with the dimms installed? After that I will move it into the office and add the drives. Boy do I have some cable lacing to do!

Also, I may just put the two SATA drives on the Promise from the start as Raid 0 (actually should be called AID0)!

 

[Nuker43]

^^^ so you think the promise controller is better?

 

[DaveR]

You know, I keep seeing so much about this. computer, says he has benched it and it is.
computer...if I do a raid 0 on the promise, can I just switch the cables to the Intel without killing anything?

Now would be the time as I have nothing on this system yet. I wonder if a quick run of hdtach is enough? Although, it is not registered so can not do writes.

Originally posted by: Nuker43
^^^ so you think the promise controller is better?

 

[DaveR]

Well, now that I look again, I do not think that adding the spreader while it is in the system is a good idea. I think I will take it out, stick it on 1 half, then remove the tape and stick the other. I think the " inside the machine install" sounded better but I can see I just can not see in there!

 

[Nuker43]

hrmmm..

that still doesn't answer if promise or intel controller is better... maybe i am missing something here.

 

[Nuker43]

ugh i decided to update my bios to version 81016 and when i try to flash it says:

Unable toopen ROM file.

Am i doing something wrong?

Is version 1016 any good or should i stay away from it? Any one have any suggestions what bios i should be running?

Thanks

 

[ItsMillerTime]

Originally posted by: computer
You shouldn't have to remove it to finger feel the components. But, if you're RMA'ing it, then I guess you have to remove it anyway.

Everything felt fine, except for the MCH sink; I guess glueing a fan on the sink like John did would help, but the p4c has the same sink and stays at 31c

I even tried the MSI fx5700 on it, the card from the p4c, instead of the nVidia Riva TNT2 that I always use to test new builds.

Just wondering, what's a good reason for RMAing the p4p? I just had the floppy running memtest with no other drives attached. Random reboots or hangs?

 

[DaveR]

Sorry...I am bulding it now. I just do not know. I am going to put it on the Promise first, however and see what happens. I will let everyone know what I see.

Originally posted by: Nuker43
hrmmm..

that still doesn't answer if promise or intel controller is better... maybe i am missing something here.