*** Official Anti War Protestor Thread***SanFrancisco, No Business as Usual....

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: PipBoy

Originally posted by: CZroe
Any protestors who think Bush made the wrong decidion to attack Iraq need to understand this...


You have made your decision.

Bush has made his decision.

You disagree with Bush.

Yes or no?

The CIA reports to Bush.

The CIA does not report to you.

Yes or no?

It's no secret that Bush has information you don't.

Bush has therefore made a more informed decision.

Yes or no? (Never mind... You CANNOT dispute this.)

It's no secret that it is information you can't have.

He was elected to make this decision based on his information.

If your decision would be different, keep in mind that you are currently not as well informed as the president.

You must trust that he secretly knows more than you about the situation and can make a better decision with that information.

After all, those that gave him this information unanimously support and recommended the idea.

It was his decision, not his idea.



DO NOT fall into the increasingly common mindset that "Just because my decision is different that the president's I must be smarter than him and the majority of US supporters." This is the lie that the democratic media and free speech has enticed so many to accept. Logically, it feels good to be smarter than the president so you may convince yourself that you are but you are simply working with less information.

I hope you never disagree with a decision the president makes, because this argument can be applied to anything. "If you disagree, you don't have enough information." May as well roll over and let the government run your life. It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the American public to question the decisions of its leaders, and if they disagree, protest and vote those leaders out.

That's why I only said to "keep in mind that you are currently not as well informed." Not "you are always wrong when you have less information." The protestors think there is no justification for war. I've even heard some go as far as to say "the inspectors have never found ANYTHING in Iraq; not one thing" when illegal chemical warheads showed up over two week earlier. Some people are DANGEROUSLY misinformed and still abusing their right to protest. My statement addresses a form of this problem. If one believes war is unacceptable no matter what, and they didn't support the first Gulf War action, then by all means PROTEST, but expect a different argument to address that.

Also, not all decisions are made with secret information. I personally disagree with Bush's stem cell research decision. I don't think the CIA was involved there one bit.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: deepinya

Originally posted by: deepinya
Is it true that people fell off the Golden Gate Bridge while protesting? A friend of mine told me that but Im not sure if he heard it right.

Well?!?!

Yes, 1 protestor fell off the bridge while trying to hang a banner.

 

[smartt]

He should protest gravity.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: smartt
He should protest gravity.

Hehe, he probably did as he fell.

 

[althor27]

LOL.

 

[tjaisv]

I have faith God will in time make everything right in this world.

Peace

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: tjaisv
I have faith God will in time make everything right in this world.

Peace

Actually, I have faith that God will do so after the things in Revelations come to pass.

Much worse will happen.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: smartt
He should protest gravity.

I shouldn't but I am going to anyway.


He wanted to make a big splash in the news, he did.




I still wonder how many of the anti-war protestors can even find Iraq on a map.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: smartt
He should protest gravity.

I shouldn't but I am going to anyway.


He wanted to make a big splash in the news, he did.




I still wonder how many of the anti-war protestors can even find Iraq on a map.

It would also be interesting to know how many Pro-War supporters could do the same.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Millennium
flavio- Do you have the scans of alternative plans yet?

 

[Alistar7]

does her opinion count?

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
does her opinion count?

well of course everyone's does.......this just kind of tells one of the many reasons to get rid of saddam.....

it's ok to oppose the war, but since it has already started, anti war protests won't do anything to change the situation.....just get back home and support our own american troops.....the least thing our troops want is their own people not supporting them...

 

[jahawkin]

Does it bother anyone that Clear Channel is sponsering "rally for the troops" pro-war demonstrations? (link)
Clear Channel owns radio stations in almost every major radio market in the US. Find out what stations in your area are Clear Channel here. Go to the websites of those stations and you will in most cases find some kind of pro-war rally sponsered by that radio stations. Like this one,

2,500 JOINED FM*106, ITS SISTER STATIONS, AND THE WISCONSIN CHAPTER OF FREE REPUBLIC FOR THE BAND TOGETHER RALLY FOR AMERICA ON MARCH 22ND AT CATHEDRAL SQUARE IN DOWNTOWN MILWAUKEE.

I've read that most Clear Channel stations are reporting these pro-war rallys in their one minute news break segments, and most of the CC owned radio station websites I've looked at have been reporting them one thier websites (that is if they have some kind of news section).
Shouldn't a media giant keep their hands off the public expression of opinion?

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Millennium
flavio- Do you have the scans of alternative plans yet?

I walked up to Market St. during lunch yesterday and saw 3 protestors. I'll keep my eye out this week. Shouldn't take much to come up with better than bomb, kill, "liberate" though.

 

[SagaLore]

Just goes to show you protestors have no life otherwise, because how can they be protesting if they had a job to go to or bills to pay?

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Just goes to show you protestors have no life otherwise, because how can they be protesting if they had a job to go to or bills to pay?

I'm not an antiwar protestor - but that's just a cheap shot. It doesn't "show" anything.

Andy

 

[faZZter]

Most of the protestors I have seen on TV look like homeless people, treehuggers, or losers.

 

[Alistar7]

my favorite quote from an anti-war protestor....



"we shouldn't be bombing while inspections are still going on, what if we bomb one of the inspectors????"

 

[Queasy]

I hope 'responsible' war protestors smacked these idiots around. Dipsh!ts

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

I've read that most Clear Channel stations are reporting these pro-war rallys in their one minute news break segments, and most of the CC owned radio station websites I've looked at have been reporting them one thier websites (that is if they have some kind of news section).
Shouldn't a media giant keep their hands off the public expression of opinion?

How is that different from the Hollywood media/celebrities protesting the war??

 

[Fides]

Originally posted by: snidy1

I *think* the point they're trying to make isn't that civilians are purposefully targetted - but that from the point of view of the soon-to-be-dead civilian it would be better to live under the regime than be killed by a bomb (accidentally obviously) as part of a liberation effort. Especially when the liberation comes externally - rather than from their own people and by their choice.

I would give up my life to help future generations with no problem.

Would you give up your daughter's?

 

[snidy1]

Originally posted by: faZZter
Most of the protestors I have seen on TV look like homeless people, treehuggers, or losers.

That's the truth, they have nothing better to do. Most of them probably don't have a clue as to what's really going on.

 

[snidy1]

Originally posted by: Fides

Originally posted by: snidy1

I *think* the point they're trying to make isn't that civilians are purposefully targetted - but that from the point of view of the soon-to-be-dead civilian it would be better to live under the regime than be killed by a bomb (accidentally obviously) as part of a liberation effort. Especially when the liberation comes externally - rather than from their own people and by their choice.

I would give up my life to help future generations with no problem.

Would you give up your daughter's?

Sure, if it saves my grandchildren.

 

[hevnsnt]

Not sure if this has been posted before, but I just got it in my email, thought it was *appropriate*

Peace Activist Reeducation

With all of this talk of impending war, many of us will encounter "Peace Activists" who will try and convince us that we must refrain from retaliating against the ones who terrorized us all on September 11, 2001, and those who support terror. These activists may be alone or in a gathering.....most of us don't know how to react to them. When you come upon one of these people, or one of their rallies, here are the proper rules of etiquette:

1. Listen politely while this person explains their views. Strike up a conversation if necessary and look very interested in their ideas. They will tell you how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people who did this to us, we will only bring on more violence. They will probably use many arguments, ranging from political to religious to humanitarian.

2. In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in the nose.

3. When the person gets up off of the ground, they will be very angry and they may try to hit you, so be careful.

4. Very quickly and calmly remind the person that violence only brings about more violence and remind them of their stand on this matter. Tell them if they are really committed to a nonviolent approach to undeserved attacks, they will turn the other cheek and negotiate a solution. Tell them they must lead by example if they really believe what they are saying.

5. Most of them will think for a moment and then agree that you are correct.

6. As soon as they do that, hit them again. Only this time hit them much harder. Square in the nose.

7. Repeat steps 2-5 until the desired results are obtained and the idiot realizes how stupid of an argument he/she is making.

8. There is no difference in an individual attacking an unsuspecting victim or a group of terrorists attacking a nation of people. It is unacceptable and must be dealt with. Perhaps at a high cost.

We owe our military a huge debt for what they are about to do for us and our children. We must support them and our leaders at times like these. We have no choice. We either strike back, VERY HARD, or we will keep getting hit in the nose.

Lesson over, class dismissed.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: hevnsnt
Not sure if this has been posted before, but I just got it in my email, thought it was *appropriate*

Several times, actually