When I build a pc, I build it for gaming and to last, because gaming is where you go obsolete the fastest. If you start with a top of the line processor, you can get 5 years out of it, top of the line GPU about 2-3 years. Now I only may game 10% of the time on my PC, but when I do, I want a solid 60+ fps with all the eye candy. I don't need 120/144hz competitive play. But while I am gaming, there are a ton of other apps, programs, and threads in the background, all my daily stuff, so my guess is that Ryzen while loses to 7700 in pure gaming with nothing in the background, Ryzen can probably still keep 60+ fps while gaming and all your other programs/tasks are opened. But NOBODY is testing this real life scenario! That is what should be tested, and I would, but I am NOT building a Ryzen till motherboards are rock solid with 32gb 3200mhz ddr. I need my machine for work and gaming and can't have random crashes, reboots, lost data, or incompatibilities. So if AMD/MS and mobo/ram manufacturers get their sh!t together before Intel releases it's next 6 or 8 core cpu, they have my business, if not, oh well. This half baked early Ryzen launch was a HUGE mistake, should have waited and fixed mobo/ram/windows issues and actually had mobos that work and don't brick themselves or bootloop. So everyone for the last two weeks has been beta testers, that is not how a launch should be. Everyone excited, then pulling out their hair and returning parts because of issues and inconsistencies.