Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

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Battlefield 5 was the first game that said no to 4-core 4-thread CPU's. That is unless you didn't mind the stuttering in game. With regards to the 9800x3D pricing. If AMD followed their tried and true strategy in the past. A reasonable MSRP that declines quickly throughout the product cycle. They would have many more PC builders upgrade every generation or every other generation. You sell it cheap and you sell more chips with each product cycle.

Why would they do that? They can make more total profit on less sales this way. They could not keep up with demand for months. Currently $479 and still the number one selling CPU on Amazon U.S. The 7800X3D in the number 2 spot has finally settled in at under $400 again, but can't outsell the new hotness. Proof that with a price gap similar to the performance difference gamers are opting for the more expensive SKU.

 

[DaaQ]

Battlefield 5 was the first game that said no to 4-core 4-thread CPU's. That is unless you didn't mind the stuttering in game. With regards to the 9800x3D pricing. If AMD followed their tried and true strategy in the past. A reasonable MSRP that declines quickly throughout the product cycle. They would have many more PC builders upgrade every generation or every other generation. You sell it cheap and you sell more chips with each product cycle.

At this point it seems like Intel CPU's are toast (figuratively and literally.) They can't blame TSMC for the current generation Intel chips. Everybody knows TSMC makes quality silicon.

I think a lot of people are burned out with the out of control GPU pricing. The generational performance increase is not what it used to be.

9800X3D pricing was 30 dollars more than 7800X3d pricing.
The tried and true strategy of trying to stay afloat with the construction cores era, is all you are referring to. Even though you probably wouldn't have purchased one.

DIY is not PC builders.
I got a 9800x3d within 3 weeks of launch at MSRP.

 

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The tried and true strategy of trying to stay afloat with the construction cores era, is all you are referring to. Even though you probably wouldn't have purchased one.

They did it into Ryzen gens as well. Zen and Zen+ both had good price drops as I recall. There was the 1600 that was basically a 2600 - https://wccftech.com/first-gen-amd-ryzen-cpus-are-appearing-with-12nm-zen-architecture/

The 2700X went from $320 to $200.

Once the human malware hit, the market went whacky. Hard to trend things out until a couple of years ago when things settled back down.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Didn't expect this thread to pop up. Epic necro!

 

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They did it into Ryzen gens as well. Zen and Zen+ both had good price drops as I recall. There was the 1600 that was basically a 2600 - https://wccftech.com/first-gen-amd-ryzen-cpus-are-appearing-with-12nm-zen-architecture/

The 2700X went from $320 to $200.

Once the human malware hit, the market went whacky. Hard to trend things out until a couple of years ago when things settled back down.

Yea the intel wasn't in replace CEO mode yet. Not to mention foundry. I agree. But like you said why would they drop prices now.
Like I said 30 more than 7800X3d was nowhere near a price gouge. Or 449$ vs 479$. I got MSRP from Newegg.

 

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German magazine computerbase did an interesting review about CPU core scaling in modern games in preparation for their Ryzen coverage. They come to the conclusion that modern titles do profit from more cores very well contrary to common believe.

Amazing how this idea keeps coming up: if 4c/4t i5 is no longer enough for today, then i7 4c/8t is definitely not enough for tomorrow. Either we accept some people can find proper value in 4c/4t chips priced $100 less, or we stop deluding ourselves that 7700K is a CPU that will last enough to be worth the premium. If i5 reached a performance threshold where it starts to lag behind, it's only a matter of time the current mainstream i7 will follow.

Narrator - the i7 did indeed follow.

So against some older competition and Broadwell-E the 7700K was fastest in 2 games out of 14 and all were at stock clockspeeds (which should be a bonus on 7700K side). This pretty much tells us that lower clockspeed and more cores is the way to go even today.

Any idea how much the massive L3 cache helps Broadwell-E in games?

These quotes all aged quite well. The last quote is in response to the first, I must have quoted them OOO.

 

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Impressive but too little too late

. Hopefully the release drives down the I7 prices so I can upgrade!

A truly classic meta. "I hope AMD makes something good so I can buy Intel cheaper!" How the turn tables. Now everyone is hoping Intel will make something good so they can get Ryzen cheaper.

 

[Thunder 57]

Howdy! I am posting from the future. The year is 2025.


zin quoted this post -


The 7600K had a MSRP of $242, inflation adjusted that's $322. For a 4/4 CPU only 8 years ago. Truly a gaming monster that everyone still praises...wait, what's that? No one talks about it anymore? 7th generation aged like warm milk, you say? And Intel did indeed have reason to change things? They in fact changed lickety-split and had a 6/12 i7 out the door before the year was out? LMAO at "Intel has no reason to change anything". The cope was strong.

The i7 8700K was $359, $478 in today's money. I'll write it again for all of the people that were whinging about the MSRP of the 9800X3D; Since at least the 2600K released way back in 2011, $450-$500 adjusted is what top tier gaming performance has cost.

This thread is also a prime example of how insufficient many bigger bar better reviews had already become. There were games like Battlefield 5, Assassin's Creed, and Witcher 3 with frame pacing issues with 2/4 i3 and 4/4 i5 of the era. Those charts showing how 7th gen was better for gaming were not even fully accurate for when they were published.

I remember playing BF1 with an overclocked 4/4 and upgrading to a 2600X did more for performance than upgrading the GPU. Those old Intel CPU's aged like milk.

A truly classic meta. "I hope AMD makes something good so I can buy Intel cheaper!" How the turn tables. Now everyone is hoping Intel will make something good so they can get Ryzen cheaper.

That sounds rather familiar except today it is regarding Nvidia.