Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[cytg111]

Give them lots of vodka and I can see them stabbing someone.

Its the same concept as with sports, look up hooligans.
.. I guess its a social study, group dynmaics and the ancient clan mind, even without religion or some other governing factor we still segment ourselves into groups and go to war. We should really try and rewrite that part of our DNA.. crispr-cas9, anyone up for tests? Volunteers?

 

[inf64]

I somehow just glanced over the footnotes of AMD's Ryzen 7 reveal, they actually gave us how much Ryzen@ 3.4Ghz scores in CB R15 ST with 2666Mhz DDR4: 139pts. We can now find out whether XFR was activated or not when official (from the reveal) ST benchmark results for 1800X are in question. Short answer XFR was not activated.
1800X ST R15 score given by AMD : 162pts
3.4Ghz (Ry)Zen ST R15 score from footnotes:139pts (DDR4 2666).

162/139=1.165x or 16.5% difference in clock => 3.4Ghz*1.165=3.96 or ~4Ghz. XFR should add another 100Mhz so absolute best (stock) ST score for 1800X in reviews, when XFR is enabled, should be ~165-166pts.

For comparison purposes 6900K with TB2.0 @ 3.7Ghz scores 153pts and with TB3.0 @ 4Ghz should be getting 162-165pts. TB3.0 requires special app to be ran and setup first, unlike XFR. At fixed 3.4Ghz 6900K(BDW-E) should be getting ~140-141pts.

 

[lolfail9001]

TB3.0 requires special app to be ran and setup first, unlike XFR.

Wrong, that app only serves affinity purposes, in practice if mobo/BIOS support TB3.0 (though i believe it needs a driver too) and it is enabled, one of cores WILL boost to 4Ghz, driver or not.
Hence they got 162 pts in their CB slide.

 

[inf64]

Wrong, that app only serves affinity purposes, in practice if mobo/BIOS support TB3.0 (though i believe it needs a driver too) and it is enabled, one of cores WILL boost to 4Ghz, driver or not.
Hence they got 162 pts in their CB slide.

Thanks , I was under impression the app was a must. Anyway, my conclusion on XFR stands, XFR was not active in AMD's listed ST result for Ryzen.

 

[lolfail9001]

Thanks , I was under impression the app was a must. Anyway, my conclusion on XFR stands, XFR was not active in AMD's listed ST result for Ryzen.

Plot twist: it was active, but motherboard throttled.

But yeah, looks like it was at 4ghz straight. Makes Ryzen look ever better.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

There's a reason why I chose to investigate clock scaling when I did my Excavator interrogation.



Source: http://excavator.looncraz.net/page5.html

If Zen's L3 is setup the way I think, positive scaling with clock speeds is possible.

If this works out as being true, that'd make the Ryzen CPUs an OCers wet dream, right? Assuming they can get the damned things to OC to a decent level.

 

[msroadkill612]

If we're limited on overclocking more by the process/silicon than by cooling, I'll hold off on my water cooling purchases for now and wait to see OC results.

If we're talking a negligible difference between high end air (e.g. Noctua D15) vs AIO or custom water I'll skip the headache and go air.

a fine strategy, but just sayin, a big new AMD focus is monitoring temp w/ hundreds? of sensors etched into the silicon, and fine tuning turbo accordingly within heat envelopes.

it may be that water cooling pays big dividends?

 

[OrangeKhrush]

I somehow just glanced over the footnotes of AMD's Ryzen 7 reveal, they actually gave us how much Ryzen@ 3.4Ghz scores in CB R15 ST with 2666Mhz DDR4: 139pts. We can now find out whether XFR was activated or not when official (from the reveal) ST benchmark results for 1800X are in question. Short answer XFR was not activated.
1800X ST R15 score given by AMD : 162pts
3.4Ghz (Ry)Zen ST R15 score from footnotes:139pts (DDR4 2666).

162/139=1.165x or 16.5% difference in clock => 3.4Ghz*1.165=3.96 or ~4Ghz. XFR should add another 100Mhz so absolute best (stock) ST score for 1800X in reviews, when XFR is enabled, should be ~165-166pts.

For comparison purposes 6900K with TB2.0 @ 3.7Ghz scores 153pts and with TB3.0 @ 4Ghz should be getting 162-165pts. TB3.0 requires special app to be ran and setup first, unlike XFR. At fixed 3.4Ghz 6900K(BDW-E) should be getting ~140-141pts.

I love this CPU more by the day

 

[bjt2]

Screen is not relevant to the run in question, bear that in mind. In fact, the 5.2Ghz run is from 2300ish score.

Sort of naive thought, don't you think?

Glad to let you know that XFR is TDP-limited as well and LN2 OC at this voltage breaks any and all TDP limits.

The lower the temperature, the lower is the power consumption. Moreover they could have also upped the TDP limit. Finally another user here, that seems to work into the field (The Stilt) seemed to imply that does not exist the tdp limit.

 

[krumme]

My prediction for q1 and q2 is the bean counters and amd - margin - cfo will discover the desktop market is not a fixed and ever declining market.

 

[IEC]

a fine strategy, but just sayin, a big new AMD focus is monitoring temp w/ hundreds? of sensors etched into the silicon, and fine tuning turbo accordingly within heat envelopes.

it may be that water cooling pays big dividends?

I decided air cooling was for peasants and bought parts to complete my custom loop. So cooling will not be a limitation when my 1800X arrives.

 

[zinfamous]

I decided air cooling was for peasants and bought parts to complete my custom loop. So cooling will not be a limitation when my 1800X arrives.

I shall remain in peasant status on air when I eventually pick up the 1600X that I have my eye on (I may go crazy with a 1700X though...just depends on the numbers come ~Julyish or later when I pull the trigger).

...unless one of you dude's wants to come over and de-noob my setup with your H20 expertise. ..Now, it would have to fit in this empty FD Define Nano S that I bought about 1 month ago. 😀

 

[CatMerc]

Water cooling is for plebians. My heatsink block is the size of a child's head.

 

[IEC]

Water cooling is for plebians. My heatsink block is the size of a child's head.

My radiators are bigger than my ego. That's yuge!

 

[nathanddrews]

So Ryzen 7-series doesn't have IGP. What about 3/5-series? Do any of them support all the latest/greatest HEVC decode/encode acceleration as part of the CPU?

 

[.vodka]

So Ryzen 7-series doesn't have IGP. What about 3/5-series? Do any of them support all the latest/greatest HEVC decode/encode acceleration as part of the CPU?

These are all CPU only. For CPU+iGPU (APU) you'll have to wait till mid year until Raven Ridge arrives. Raven Ridge's iGPU is Vega based, so it'll have the latest and greatest video capabilites on AMD products.

Both products use the same AM4 motherboards, you'd just need one with video outputs.

 

[Dresdenboy]

So Ryzen 7-series doesn't have IGP. What about 3/5-series? Do any of them support all the latest/greatest HEVC decode/encode acceleration as part of the CPU?

Nope. Same silicon.

How about letting the GPU do that stuff?

 

[french toast]

So Ryzen 7-series doesn't have IGP. What about 3/5-series? Do any of them support all the latest/greatest HEVC decode/encode acceleration as part of the CPU?

No they Don't , they are all derivatives of the same 8 core die (summit ridge )

Raven Ridge launching Q3/4 2017 is what you want.

 

[Dresdenboy]

My prediction for q1 and q2 is the bean counters and amd - margin - cfo will discover the desktop market is not a fixed and ever declining market.

Maybe the lack of substantial performance growth/$ played a role in this decline.

 

[looncraz]

If this works out as being true, that'd make the Ryzen CPUs an OCers wet dream, right? Assuming they can get the damned things to OC to a decent level.

If you can clock things just right, absolutely.

Phenom II had the same type of behavior. My X3 @ 3.2GHz was faster than it should have been when coming from 2.8Ghz - not massively, mind you. I think Ryzen has a LOT of independently clocked areas. The command fabric, data fabric, I/O plane, memory controllers, PCI-e, GMI, L3, CCX common pathways, each core, etc... ALL seem to be on different frequencies. Most likely they are mostly just referenced to the bus speed (hopefully except PCI-e and I/O, which should always be at a fixed speed).

Craziest thing is that it looks (from the die shot) that the L2 caches may be on a different frequency than the cores (may be on the same as the L3 while still being able to be disabled...). That can have all kinds of effects on performance as frequency increases.

 

[looncraz]

...unless one of you dude's wants to come over and de-noob my setup with your H20 expertise. ..Now, it would have to fit in this empty FD Define Nano S that I bought about 1 month ago. 😀

Hmmm... where do you live? Mind you: I've never traveled more than about 5,000 miles for a customer.

 

[sirmo]

Maybe the lack of substantial performance growth/$ played a role in this decline.

Tablets and smartphone proliferation did play a role in the decline of the PC, but I agree on a whole.. I don't think the enthusiast market has declined at all.. if anything I think the whole PCMR has never been stronger.

Lack of competition and advancement in CPUs may have lowered the numbers.. heck a good number of folks still running Sandy Bridge CPUs with no major handicap. Also if you look at Nvidia and AMD's combined GPU sales this last year, it's a proof that the PCMR is as healthy as ever. Record revenues.

 

[ginfest]

Impressive but too little too late. Hopefully the release drives down the I7 prices so I can upgrade!

 

[sirmo]

Impressive but too little too late. Hopefully the release drives down the I7 prices so I can upgrade!

Too little too late for what? You just contradicted yourself in the same sentence. Too little too late, but then you want to upgrade to a less powerful CPU than Ryzen 7.

 

[.vodka]

Impressive but too little too late. Hopefully the release drives down the I7 prices so I can upgrade!

Have you considered the possiblity of AMD's product being overall better than Intel's for the first time in a decade? Because it's actually what it looks like right now.

I wouldn't be so eager to be in the mentality of "lower prices on Intel gear" so fast. Wait for reviews (March 3), then objectively decide without AMD or Intel colored glasses clouding your vision.