unseenmorbidity
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Wait, let's establish this real quick. It is generally agreed that GPUs denser than CPUs, right? Well, Zen is basically as dense as Polaris, difference in density is ~2%.Because that's the final nail in the coffin that mad me understand Intel and every other count different "transistors".
I just preordered my R 1800x at Newegg then had a second look and seen that it now says it doesnt come with a fan or cooler for $499.99 + $.99 shipping I just paid. Is this just a goof up by Newegg or am I really not getting a heatsink/fan combo with my CPU?
Intel Broadwell-Y transistor count includes GPU.I had the suspect when comparing 44mm^2 of Zen quad cluster with 1.4B transistors vs Broadwell 82mm^2 at 1.3B (the first 14nm dual core die) already
This is what the guy said:
A few pages later he also mentions that Ryzen doesn't have any headroom for overclocking when under water or air cooled, so most likely nothing beyond stock clocks for the average user
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=230799701&postcount=1463
I think his point here is that Broadwell-E has too little transistors in comparison. On what should be denser process. Adding GPU to equation does not help things.Intel Broadwell-Y transistor count includes GPU.
Yes, unfortunately. I heard the r5 would be April.They are only releasing 1700 and 1800 now?
ASUS Prime B350-Plus – $99 – Amazon.com
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-B350-PLUS/specifications/
Ryzen 7 1700X – $399 – Amazon.com
You have probably one of best budget for 8C/16T.
Edit : hmm No CPU at Amazon
Copper wiring on-die is also only 200 m, and I remember Skylake has ~1 km wire. One possible answer is that they are counting different things: w/wo cache, IGP, memory controller, other parts of the silicon.Because that's the final nail in the coffin that mad me understand Intel and every other count different "transistors".
I had the suspect when comparing 44mm^2 of Zen quad cluster with 1.4B transistors vs Broadwell 82mm^2 at 1.3B (the first 14nm dual core die) already, but now I'm 100% sure: either one is counting individual "fins" as transistors and the other multiple finned transistors or numbers don't add up.
Indeed if you double Broadwell's count (assuming 2 fin each transistor) it comes at 2.6B, and densities almost match (but we are comparing a whole soc against the denser logic cores/caches).
RE: Ryzen overclocking, I think these Ryzen OC results show that many people hoping to achieve 4.5 Ghz+ on Ryzen are going to be sorely disappointed. 8C do not clock well or easily and the thermals become untenable on air cooled solutions... If CPUZ reading voltage correctly there, the voltage scaling is poor like most ivy bridge/broadwell which means the thermals will quickly create a wall.
The price difference between the 7 1700 and 7 1700X is $70, but the 7 1700X comes with a better heatsink/fan.
So if you have to spend another $40 for a better heatsink/fan, the 7 1700X might not seem so bad.
XFR at work. Look at the score.Anyone see it ?
AMD Ryzen on 4.66GHz.No idea It's LN2 or AIO.