- Nov 27, 2016
Preorder newegg boards and cpus
Wait, let's establish this real quick. It is generally agreed that GPUs denser than CPUs, right? Well, Zen is basically as dense as Polaris, difference in density is ~2%.Because that's the final nail in the coffin that mad me understand Intel and every other count different "transistors".
That SKU does not come bundled with a cooler.I just preordered my R 1800x at Newegg then had a second look and seen that it now says it doesnt come with a fan or cooler for $499.99 + $.99 shipping I just paid. Is this just a goof up by Newegg or am I really not getting a heatsink/fan combo with my CPU?
I'm still pretty blown away by the raw compute power per $ offered here. Anyone else hold AMD stock?! WOW. But I am first and foremost a gamer, and I think in the *near term* 5 Ghz Kaby lakes still take the cake here... Users looking for that 5+ year future-proofing will surely be turning to 6C or 8C Ryzen right now for the performance/$. Still think Intel has to cut prices. At least 50$ off the top-selling models like 7600k/7700k. Obviously the HEDT can come down much further. If one could get a 7600K for sub $200 and clock that to 5 Ghz, that'll provide top-notch gaming experience for a while.This is what the guy said:
A few pages later he also mentions that Ryzen doesn't have any headroom for overclocking when under water or air cooled, so most likely nothing beyond stock clocks for the average user
Why not a 1700 for $330?ASUS Prime B350-Plus – $99 – Amazon.com
Ryzen 7 1700X – $399 – Amazon.com
You have probably one of best budget for 8C/16T.
Edit : hmm No CPU at Amazon
Copper wiring on-die is also only 200 m, and I remember Skylake has ~1 km wire. One possible answer is that they are counting different things: w/wo cache, IGP, memory controller, other parts of the silicon.Because that's the final nail in the coffin that mad me understand Intel and every other count different "transistors".
I had the suspect when comparing 44mm^2 of Zen quad cluster with 1.4B transistors vs Broadwell 82mm^2 at 1.3B (the first 14nm dual core die) already, but now I'm 100% sure: either one is counting individual "fins" as transistors and the other multiple finned transistors or numbers don't add up.
Indeed if you double Broadwell's count (assuming 2 fin each transistor) it comes at 2.6B, and densities almost match (but we are comparing a whole soc against the denser logic cores/caches).
You are correct if you are talking all-core turbo. That's a lot of heat to dissipate with a tiny die surface.RE: Ryzen overclocking, I think these Ryzen OC results show that many people hoping to achieve 4.5 Ghz+ on Ryzen are going to be sorely disappointed. 8C do not clock well or easily and the thermals become untenable on air cooled solutions... If CPUZ reading voltage correctly there, the voltage scaling is poor like most ivy bridge/broadwell which means the thermals will quickly create a wall.
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