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Justinbaileyman

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I just preordered my R 1800x at Newegg then had a second look and seen that it now says it doesnt come with a fan or cooler for $499.99 + $.99 shipping I just paid. Is this just a goof up by Newegg or am I really not getting a heatsink/fan combo with my CPU?
 

lolfail9001

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Because that's the final nail in the coffin that mad me understand Intel and every other count different "transistors".
Wait, let's establish this real quick. It is generally agreed that GPUs denser than CPUs, right? Well, Zen is basically as dense as Polaris, difference in density is ~2%.
Anyway you cut it, Zen is actually way too dense.
 

IEC

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I just preordered my R 1800x at Newegg then had a second look and seen that it now says it doesnt come with a fan or cooler for $499.99 + $.99 shipping I just paid. Is this just a goof up by Newegg or am I really not getting a heatsink/fan combo with my CPU?
That SKU does not come bundled with a cooler.

That's pretty common on the high-end since most of us run water or high-end air.

If you absolutely want a bundled AMD cooler you'll need to get a model that doesn't end in "WOF" (without fan)
 

MTDEW

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I believe Newegg is correct and only the 1700 comes with a HSF.
It was also mentioned in one of the youtube Ryzen vids I watched.
 

Bouowmx

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I had the suspect when comparing 44mm^2 of Zen quad cluster with 1.4B transistors vs Broadwell 82mm^2 at 1.3B (the first 14nm dual core die) already
Intel Broadwell-Y transistor count includes GPU.
 

Absolute0

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This is what the guy said:

A few pages later he also mentions that Ryzen doesn't have any headroom for overclocking when under water or air cooled, so most likely nothing beyond stock clocks for the average user

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=230799701&postcount=1463
I'm still pretty blown away by the raw compute power per $ offered here. Anyone else hold AMD stock?! WOW. But I am first and foremost a gamer, and I think in the *near term* 5 Ghz Kaby lakes still take the cake here... Users looking for that 5+ year future-proofing will surely be turning to 6C or 8C Ryzen right now for the performance/$. Still think Intel has to cut prices. At least 50$ off the top-selling models like 7600k/7700k. Obviously the HEDT can come down much further. If one could get a 7600K for sub $200 and clock that to 5 Ghz, that'll provide top-notch gaming experience for a while.

I've been waiting for games and apps to become more heavily multithreaded since I got an A64 X2 ~2005. Oh in the next few years I told myself, every game would be fully multithreaded. Years come and go. Now 12 years later I still feel there's little compelling difference between i5/i7 in MOST games. I'd rather pocket $100 and buy some quality games.., I still rock i5's on my gaming PCs and I still think cheap(er) 4C CPU paired with a strong GPU is best gaming experience per dollar, right now anyway.

RE: Ryzen overclocking, I think these Ryzen OC results show that many people hoping to achieve 4.5 Ghz+ on Ryzen are going to be sorely disappointed. 8C do not clock well or easily and the thermals become untenable on air cooled solutions... If CPUZ reading voltage correctly there, the voltage scaling is poor like most ivy bridge/broadwell which means the thermals will quickly create a wall.

2017 will definitely be a great year for CPU enthusiasts tho, I haven't been this excited since I bought my Sandy Bridge :)
 

BeepBeep2

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As far as 5.1-5.2 GHz CB15 on LN2, it seems to be on par with Broadwell-E.
The 8-core CB15 results are surprising, matching 5960X scores @ 5.8-6 GHz @ 2350-2450 points. :')

I would imagine that 4.2-4.4 GHz on all cores should be the target for 1800X which has been my prediction all along but I guess we will see next week.

I wonder if the rumors of Zen not having a coldbug are true, I was expecting closer to 6 GHz on LN2 @ full cold?
 

lopri

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Because that's the final nail in the coffin that mad me understand Intel and every other count different "transistors".
I had the suspect when comparing 44mm^2 of Zen quad cluster with 1.4B transistors vs Broadwell 82mm^2 at 1.3B (the first 14nm dual core die) already, but now I'm 100% sure: either one is counting individual "fins" as transistors and the other multiple finned transistors or numbers don't add up.
Indeed if you double Broadwell's count (assuming 2 fin each transistor) it comes at 2.6B, and densities almost match (but we are comparing a whole soc against the denser logic cores/caches).
Copper wiring on-die is also only 200 m, and I remember Skylake has ~1 km wire. One possible answer is that they are counting different things: w/wo cache, IGP, memory controller, other parts of the silicon.
 

IEC

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RE: Ryzen overclocking, I think these Ryzen OC results show that many people hoping to achieve 4.5 Ghz+ on Ryzen are going to be sorely disappointed. 8C do not clock well or easily and the thermals become untenable on air cooled solutions... If CPUZ reading voltage correctly there, the voltage scaling is poor like most ivy bridge/broadwell which means the thermals will quickly create a wall.
You are correct if you are talking all-core turbo. That's a lot of heat to dissipate with a tiny die surface.

On the other hand, there are rumors of per-core OC controls from AMD, so I am optimistic that I can make lightly threaded apps (like some games) competitive with Skylake/Kaby Lake.
 

TemjinGold

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The price difference between the 7 1700 and 7 1700X is $70, but the 7 1700X comes with a better heatsink/fan.

So if you have to spend another $40 for a better heatsink/fan, the 7 1700X might not seem so bad.
Err... the X models come with NO heatsink/fan...
 

SketchMaster

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Stupid tempted to replace my 5820K with this. I do some heavy lifting in Adobe Premiere and run VMs so the extra threads and Hz of the 1800X would sure be nice...

Does anyone want a 5820K and Asus A99-A II? :p
 
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World Record of 6900k on Hwbot is 5,2 Ghz. Everyone thinks that Cinebench R15 score of 2449 is done with 5,1 since the video(now video is deleted) shows 5,1 before the world record seen. If we assume R15 MT is scaling 100% with frequency(We know it is not 100% but 95%, anyway I'll accept linear). 2449(Record)/1537(Stock 1700x at 3,4 Ghz)*3,4(1700x clock for finding record clock)= 5,42 Ghz. If we compare 1700x and 1800x we will see that it is scaling like 95% for clocks. Also there is all core turbo we do not know but it won't be more than 200 Mhz and it won't keep up until the end of test I think. So max OC with LN2 is approximately 5,5 Ghz which is 6% more than Broadwell-E. Since stable OC with water loops on 6900k is 4,3 Ghz we would see 4,5 Ghz 1800x's commonly. 4,7 would be great silicon lottery winners and 4,6 will be lucky guys, while 4,4 is the bad luck Brian frequency for 1800x. I assume.
 

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So Ryzen 7 1700 is 389 € (inc. 25% VAT) here in Finland. In the same shop i7-7700K is 399 €. It's pretty obvious which is better bang for the €. If 1700 overclocks decently, it's taihai for Intel. I'm certain that in the future more cores are better (and Ryzen isn't slow when it comes to single threaded performance).
 
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Headfoot

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That 52% IPC increase is incredible. Nobody saw tying Intel's latest and greatest HEDT socket coming, I remember people thinking even hitting Haswell IPC at much higher power and clocks being an unachievable goal.

Got to say though, this only highlights to me how the only HEDT chip that's been a good deal ever from Intel was the 5820k. I basically have the 6 core equivalent of this, except over a year ago with probably better overclocking (guessing). The 8 core version of Ryzen 100% moves the needle though, since that was the domain of 5960x and Broadwell E @ $1000+
 

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