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imported_jjj

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AMD sells the FX-8350 for $150. Who loses most if AMD has to sell the 1700X at $150?
We would get really nice affordable laptops with 8 cores 65W desktop Zen lol.

AMD has next to nothing to lose. From PC/APU they have some 1 billion per year revenue while Intel has 30+..
No matter what, AMD can only gain from this while Intel can only lose and lose a lot if AMD is competitive.
 

GroundZero7

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It would be nice, but good luck getting OEMs to produce laptops with a 65W TDP CPU thesedays! They don't seem to want to touch anything above 15W anymore.
We still don't know how well they underclock/undervolt. Even my Phenom 2 X6 can hit 40W. I'd imagine Ryzen can probably do better than that.
 

tamz_msc

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It would be nice, but good luck getting OEMs to produce laptops with a 65W TDP CPU thesedays! They don't seem to want to touch anything above 15W anymore.
Maybe not HP or Dell, but certainly the likes of Clevo can offer some version of the R7 1700 in a gaming-oriented laptop. They have been offering desktop parts at the top end for quite some time now.
 

DrMrLordX

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We still don't know how well they underclock/undervolt. Even my Phenom 2 X6 can hit 40W. I'd imagine Ryzen can probably do better than that.
If you undervolt + underclock then you change the functional TDP of the chip. I can drop the power usage of my A10-7870k into the floor, but it still doesn't mean I can get one in a Dell laptop.

Maybe not HP or Dell, but certainly the likes of Clevo can offer some version of the R7 1700 in a gaming-oriented laptop. They have been offering desktop parts at the top end for quite some time now.
Yeah you'll get some boutique brands doing it. With extra-large batteries and such.
 

tamz_msc

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If those are all of the options, then it seems that the rumors of needing balanced CCXes is true.

Still, I would have liked to be able to select WHICH of the cores in a CCX are disabled - so I could find my worst two and turn them off for testing :p
Can it be done with a future BIOS update?
 

GroundZero7

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If those are all of the options, then it seems that the rumors of needing balanced CCXes is true.

Still, I would have liked to be able to select WHICH of the cores in a CCX are disabled - so I could find my worst two and turn them off for testing :p
You could just clock them to nothing in the overclocking utility.
 

blublub

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So, like apparently Cinebench is no longer a representative benchmark, this happened between all the big talking at "new horizons" and changed after the 22/2 NDA lift, it is amazing how people can change their tune.


OKAY PEOPLE LETS MOVE THESE GOAL POSTS OVER THERE.
Who said it isn't a Benchmark anymore?
 

blublub

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Old habits die hardest, Intel back to doing what they do best.
Yeah.

But from a legal aspect if it's only a rebate it's fine.

Back in the days to OEMs it was like:
"If you don't buy 95% of your CPUs from us we will raise prices 80% or just don't sell you any at all - how you like that!?"

That was a little different.

However it would have been better for AMD not to settle outside of court (because in legal aspects"nothing" happened) but we all know financially there was no option to let that law suit run 10y.....
 

tamz_msc

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It is already well-documented that Witcher 3 scales with memory speed, not just with Ryzen.
 

anhhq

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in Ryzen 8 cores DUAL channel, the scale will be much more than 4 cores Skylake/ Kabylake

 

HurleyBird

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Ryzen will scale well with memory speed

In what world does it make sense that 2133MHz->2400MHz leads to a 1.6 FPS increase, while 3000Mhz->3200MHz gives 5.8 FPS. Not only is the frequency jump smaller, but the processor should be getting less bandwidth starved as frequency increases.
 

itsmydamnation

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In what world does it make sense that 2133MHz->2400MHz leads to a 1.6 FPS increase, while 3000Mhz->3200MHz gives 5.8 FPS. Not only is the frequency jump smaller, but the processor should be getting less bandwidth starved as frequency increases.
Because like a keep repeating over and over its not bandwidth it's memory latency that matters for games.
 

HurleyBird

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How do you know it's exponential if you don't have the latency numbers? :)
The benchmark is giving exponential scaling, so each additional MHz on the memory is giving more FPS than the one before it. Assuming they aren't playing funny games with timings (although I'm assuming they are to get those results), increasing memory frequency should only give linear (at best) improvements to bandwidth and latency.

The entire point is that giving the faster memory tighter timings without mentioning it makes the comparison incredibly deceptive, at best. Especially since it's generally easier to tighten timings when you're running memory at a lower clock speed.
 

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