Last time around the backdeal was with OEMs, not with end users, that's his point.INTEL has had a settlement with AMD and the national authority (I quite remember a settlement also in Europe) and promised to do not repeat those actions and in return it obtained a lower punishment. But if INTEL repeats the crime, it will be punished twice.
You can't deny it, because it was punished by at lest USA and Europe. I don't remember the fees, but they were reduced because in exchange INTEL settled with AMD with more than 1 billion dollar and the relaxation of the terms on the x86 license, more notabily the obligation to own a FAB.
I think its a fairy nice performing cpu that is strong where it matters and is most critical. In new games and heavy workloads. I would say 80 or even 90 usd is ok for the performance.I trust AMD won't be selling the FX-8350 for much longer. It should really only be a $70 CPU anyway.
However, if Intel drops prices so low that the 1700X is forced into such a bracket then anti-trust laws will absolutely be broken. I think it's pretty safe to say that Intel will keep the retail prices rather high and will work by creating huge discounts for partners... in exchange for their loyalty...
That's why Intel may be looking to possibly start their old shenanigan's.... and their timing
Yes, the Kaby Lake timing was horrible. Who need a 5Ghz 4Core Cpu, if you have a 8Core 65W CPU running at the sweetspot? It would be better for Intel, if Kaby Lake hasn`t published and they counter Ryzen in the Summer with making Skaylake X mainstream.After seeing AMD's scores and prices I can say that Intel royally screwed up with their pricing... and their timing. Seems that AMD succeded at last after a ton of years later. Hope that the success is maintaining.
You and me bothI have wondered if AMD purposely sandbagged in some scenarios honestly.
I thibk their absolute gaming performance could b loer, but oveall
Isn't that the Arma 3 only section?...I have a problem with that.So, like apparently Cinebench is no longer a representative benchmark, this happened between all the big talking at "new horizons" and changed after the 22/2 NDA lift, it is amazing how people can change their tune.
OKAY PEOPLE LETS MOVE THESE GOAL POSTS OVER THERE.
I can't be the only one noticing C15 in the name and 16 in the timings, though.edit: That's DDR4 3000 for that Gigabyte motherboard. Glad to see those BIOS updates doing their job!
For large-scale buyers, sales channels are different now than back in 2005 and earlier. The really big ones (Amazon, Google, MS, etc) are buying through ODMs, and in some cases they may be buying directly. Intel has already started customizing chips for their larger clients. Those customizations may even be baked into Xeons sold to smaller parties without anyone being the wiser.Last time around the backdeal was with OEMs, not with end users, that's his point.
I can't be the only one noticing C15 in the name and 16 in the timings, though.
Looks like Zen's cache size certainly affects bandwidth, in comparison to 6950X.
Here is a stock 5960X if you want: http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_run.php?q=c2ffcdfcdabbdae7d5e3d6efdcfa88b585a3c6a39eae88fbc6f6&l=enWell, the results for the 6950x will be higher because of the two extra cores, and because of having to provide enough bandwidth to its load/store capabilities and its full speed AVX/2 execution engine.
Perhaps, but it is unlikely anyone would pursue a legal remedy. BUT, you would never get a sample from anyone again. Nor would your employer. If that's how you make your living... Time to learn something else.And that's still a legally enforceable promise, not a gentleman's agreement.
It looks to be faster than whatever Intel has until Skylake-X too, while we're at it.Putting that aside, Zen's L2 looks to be just fine vs Haswell-E's, and its L3 is very fast for its size. It's all certainly higher than whatever any FX chip ever posted.
He's been staying away from this thread. Huh.It looks to be faster than whatever Intel has until Skylake-X too, while we're at it.
Hey, remember Shintai going on about cache improving performance in games and not core count? Well, bad luck for him, Zen has it on both fronts.
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