Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[imported_jjj]

Well, "$200ish" to me is closer to $200, give or take around $20. At $260, the 1600x is "$250ish". Anybody know when the 1400x is supposed to launch?

The 1600X is the top 6 cores so there would be other 6 cores bellow it. If MT matters, if you OC ,it would likely be better value than the 1400X as you get 2 extra cores for a small premium.

 

[Mithan]

We have heard several statements from some reviewers stating how well the Asus ROG Crosshair VI HERO does in respects to over clocking (it seems to be one of the best ones so far).

However, I am looking at the MSI X370 XPOWER Gaming Titanium as well.

Has anybody here heard any rumors as to the overclockability of this motherboard yet?

 

[krumme]

The press always seems to be worst when these issues happen to AMD. Like rx480 PCI slot power draw issue. The world was ending, computers were exploding. Turns out it wasn't a big deal, no computer was harmed, and they had a driver fix like 3 days later.

Its brand. But a new groundbreaking product like zen have tons of momentum and popularity. It will shade for the first errors. Nothing like a product like zen gives brand value.

As an enthusiast i dont care if it takes a few months to eg get the last bit of mem speed. As long as i get my bios and software updates.
Its a Ferrari at Fiat prices. I say yes. Give me it now.

 

[looncraz]

We have heard several statements from some reviewers stating how well the Asus ROG Crosshair VI HERO does in respects to over clocking (it seems to be one of the best ones so far).

However, I am looking at the MSI X370 XPOWER Gaming Titanium as well.

Has anybody here heard any rumors as to the overclockability of this motherboard yet?

I've come to avoid MSI motherboards. Not a good experience any time I've ever dealt with them.

I'll take Biostar over MSI. Or ASRock. Or Asus. Not Gigabyte, though, then I just stop my hobby and get on with the life I started before computers consumed it two decades ago.

 

[looncraz]

The tricky part is to tell the OS where to put the heavy thread. Would that be possible with a separate tool playing with affinity settings in realtime?

It would be possible with a driver, kernel support, and preferably specialized hardware support.

Linux, for example, can already handle it (for big.LITTLE), but I'm not intimately aware of the implementation details.

Windows 10 may already support it natively - we know earlier versions of Windows' kernel were already able to prioritize based on Hyper-Threading and improvements were made to handle the construction cores' unique pairing of execution resources in Windows 8. Windows 7 already would not fall apart with cores running at different speeds (and that was improved in Windows 8 & 10)... unlike Windows XP and Vista, which couldn't handle Phenom using differing clocks per core.

 

[piesquared]

Vega is significant. With a top end gaming GPU and top end gaming CPU they will be quite dispruptive in the market. Judging from the overwhelming and record breaking preorder response to Ryzen, i think people are going to flood to AMD's gaming ecosystem. Ryzen and Vega sounds quite good together too. Quite the turn of events.

 

[looncraz]

Vega is significant. With a top end gaming GPU and top end gaming CPU they will be quite dispruptive in the market. Judging from the overwhelming and record breaking preorder response to Ryzen, i think people are going to flood to AMD's gaming ecosystem. Ryzen and Vega sounds quite good together too. Quite the turn of events.

Intel is already working to undermine AMD adoption by OEMs and IT professionals. Offering incentives to remain all-Intel... just like they did in the Athlon era. Hopefully AMD acts against them more quickly, not waiting for the damage to be irreversible. It IS a violation of anti-trust law.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Intel is already working to undermine AMD adoption by OEMs and IT professionals. Offering incentives to remain all-Intel... just like they did in the Athlon era. Hopefully AMD acts against them more quickly, not waiting for the damage to be irreversible. It IS a violation of anti-trust law.

Hopefully the government does its job and smacks them down for monopolistic practices. But I think we all know that won't happen.

 

[AnandThenMan]

No way Dr. Lisa Su will put up with the same old shenanigans from Intel. Plus I don't think OEMs are afraid of Intel anymore.

 

[AtenRa]

There is no such thing as embargo, everyone has signed an NDA.

 

[looncraz]

There is no such thing as embargo, everyone has signed an NDA.

Having never been a bonafide reviewer I can't argue from personal experience, but I can point to this:

Oh, yeah, you can skip to 7:00 and watch for about a minute.

 

[AtenRa]

Having never been a bonafide reviewer I can't argue from personal experience, but I can point to this:

Oh, yeah, you can skip to 7:00 and watch for about a minute.

On embargoes like the one he is talking about (over the phone) they do not disclose information that is under NDA

 

[piesquared]

Intel is already working to undermine AMD adoption by OEMs and IT professionals. Offering incentives to remain all-Intel... just like they did in the Athlon era. Hopefully AMD acts against them more quickly, not waiting for the damage to be irreversible. It IS a violation of anti-trust law.

Hence the cozying up of intel CEO with trump. The backlash will be significant stemming from the enthusiast community if they do attempt anti-competitive moves again. I think OEMs are forced to sell Ryzen, however they are launching next quarter, likely with 4 and 6 core options. Anyway, there are PCs available at launch from their 20 partners.

 

[looncraz]

On embargoes like the one he is talking about (over the phone) they do not disclose information that is under NDA

Yes, but that's not what we were talking about - we were talking about a video where reviewers were talking about some of their experience with Ryzen in very vague terms. It's quite probable they did not sign an NDA.

 

[bjt2]

The tricky part is to tell the OS where to put the heavy thread. Would that be possible with a separate tool playing with affinity settings in realtime?

You can do this with processes, but not threads. Thread affinity can be set easily by the owner process, but i don't see utilities to set from outside. The software (e.g. a game) should be modified to check the faster core and set the affinity mask of the threads accordingly. Turbo core 3.0 does this at process level, but can't do this at thread levels.

 

[.vodka]

Intel is already working to undermine AMD adoption by OEMs and IT professionals. Offering incentives to remain all-Intel... just like they did in the Athlon era. Hopefully AMD acts against them more quickly, not waiting for the damage to be irreversible. It IS a violation of anti-trust law.

Really? Not this crap again.

AMD has to have the pitchfork ready as soon as it sees Intel playing dirty again, there's no way this administration will let Intel get away with another $1.25B fine whereas the damage caused was MUCH higher than that.

I'd like to believe that 15 years later after the Athlon 64 such practices would be promptly shot down by the corresponding government agencies especially with precedent that it happened in the past... right?

 

[A///]

I'm not sure about that, but I know these days if Intel tried that, the backlash would be immediate thanks to today's social media and how fast people react compared to, what was it, 2000-2004? The CEO may cozy up to Trump but he could get booted by majority shareholders if they feel their investment's bottom line is at risk.

As much as gamers and enthusiasts love Intel, they don't like the high price and I'd have a hard time believing they'd side with Intel if they tried it again.

 

[looncraz]

Hence the cozying up of intel CEO with trump. The backlash will be significant stemming from the enthusiast community if they do attempt anti-competitive moves again. I think OEMs are forced to sell Ryzen, however they are launching next quarter, likely with 4 and 6 core options. Anyway, there are PCs available at launch from their 20 partners.

They got very cozy with Obama as well. Whether or not Trump would do anything to help them against litigation from AMD remains to be seen.

AMD had a 20%+ performance advantage, 20% price advantage, 20% power advantage, and maintained that for quite a long while. OEM adoption was next to nothing. And nearly every time AMD was used it was setup in some inferior manner.

Our only hope now is that Ryzen becomes a big desirable name people demand computers using Ryzen CPUs. The problem is that people are rarely knowledgeable are even more rarely insistent.

 

[sandorski]

Intel is already working to undermine AMD adoption by OEMs and IT professionals. Offering incentives to remain all-Intel... just like they did in the Athlon era. Hopefully AMD acts against them more quickly, not waiting for the damage to be irreversible. It IS a violation of anti-trust law.

Other circumstances are far different today than they were in the Athlon days. OEMs are used to carrying AMD parts now, AMD Chipsets are proven and trustworthy, AMD has much better access to Production capacity. All 3 of those were major issues for Athlon adaptation.

 

[KompuKare]

I'd like to believe that 15 years later after the Athlon 64 such practices would be promptly shot down by the corresponding government agencies especially with precedent that it happened in the past... right?

But unlike Microsoft, Intel were clever (devious) enough to settle out of court, weren't they?
Because if they had been found guilty by a competition agency like Microsoft were, a renewed breach would lead an almost automatic fine whereas settling out of court spares them that.
Wikipedia says the EC's Microsoft investigation started in 1993 and judgement was in 2007 so these things move way too slow making it tempting for a dominant player with deep pockets to just play dirty.
However, I think the subsequent EC action with Windows 7 and IE was far faster because of the earlier guilty verdict. Intel with their out-of-court stuff avoided that.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Remember when they had to pull back all their 1.1ghz+ Pentium 3's because they couldn't reliably perform calculations?

I remember there being a problem with certain Linux installation functions on those chips. Tom's Hardware had an expose on that which eventually lead to Intel pulling all their 1.1 GHz chips from the market.

For a long time, it was 1.4 GHz Tbird or go home.

 

[cytg111]

The tricky part is to tell the OS where to put the heavy thread. Would that be possible with a separate tool playing with affinity settings in realtime?

Why? Until this post, from you(thus gaining weight, its a compliment), I assumed that this is a framework allready in place given that current CPU architectures features differentiated turbos for individual cores?
This is not so?

 

[french toast]

The press always seems to be worst when these issues happen to AMD. Like rx480 PCI slot power draw issue. The world was ending, computers were exploding. Turns out it wasn't a big deal, no computer was harmed, and they had a driver fix like 3 days later.

The intel/Nvidia shills will be out in droves looking to discredit AMD on launch, just the way as RX480.
Bios updates will resolve any launch memory issue, latency might not even affect general performance, value for money wise Ryzen is still top dog.

 

[lolfail9001]

just the way as RX480.

Implying Rx480 is technically good. It is well priced (now) in some regions, but otherwise, it is a mediocre product.

Ryzen is not.

 

[CatMerc]

Implying Rx480 is technically good. It is well priced (now) in some regions, but otherwise, it is a mediocre product.

Ryzen is not.

It would probably be fine if it wasn't for the massive process variation.
Instead of being 50% behind in power efficiency, it would be more like 10%-20% behind as we can see with newer models.