Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

[Grep_Linux]

Already have an R7 box. Main box will be Coffee Lake or Threadripper.

Yup you're dead, wifey see's a grand+ CPU and you smiling at it like she doesn't exist in the room, RIP, you're my hero.

That said I so want threadripper just to hold that huge die... That sounds so wrong... but I bet it'd be one of those things I remember forever, or until the dementia grabs me.

 

[TennesseeTony]

Friend of mine has a die that big, nailed into the frame over the door to his workshop: Pentium Pro, all gold plated, and pins so thick that, yes, he hammered it into wood. I love seeing that thing.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Friend of mine has a die that big, nailed into the frame over the door to his workshop: Pentium Pro, all gold plated, and pins so thick that, yes, he hammered it into wood. I love seeing that thing.

I love the Pentium Pro. Would you be amazed to know that I still have a working Pentium Pro system? It was my second build in the 90s and IIRC, here are the stats:

Pentium Pro 180 MHz, OCed to 233 MHz
96 MB RAM
Matrox Millennium II
Voodoo II
5 GB hard drive

I believe there is a 2x Creative SCSI CD burner with an Iomega SCSI card (Jaz Jet?) as well and it is running Windows 98 SE. It is sitting in my garage now and the last time I booted it was just a couple years ago. I actually have a spare Voodoo 2 in my closet and I have seriously thought about SLIing them for a kickass retro machine.

I also had a dual PPro server at one point and wish I would've kept it.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Well, gee, then thats a nobrainer, Threadripper !

Traditionally I've gone with the most overclockable CPU with the highest IPC. I'm going to hold out for reviews and see how things look and I'll probably build my new main system in late fall/early winter.

 

[ao_ika_red]

Houston, Ryzen 3 has landed.
From Videocardz.com

 

[monkeydelmagico]

Really good to see the bottom of the product stack performing well. This is where the cash strapped builders and gamers can get good bargains. I used to be broke too and LOVED me some cheap AMD.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11658/the-amd-ryzen-3-1300x-ryzen-3-1200-cpu-review

 

[Veradun]

On a side note it looks like Bristol Ridge is also finally on shelves :>

 

[gx_saurav]

Really good to see the bottom of the product stack performing well. This is where the cash strapped builders and gamers can get good bargains. I used to be broke too and LOVED me some cheap AMD.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11658/the-amd-ryzen-3-1300x-ryzen-3-1200-cpu-review

Not very impressed with Ryzen 3.

If I talk about the use case among Indian buyers, a Core i3 CPU is purchased by the basic, everyday user with a tight and very low budget. They are going to use this PC for movies, YouTube, web browsing and other everyday work.

A user buying this CPU isn't looking to add a GPU from Nvidia or AMD. They live happily with their onboard GPU which comes free wth the CPU.

Now, in terms of pricing in India, a Ryzen 3 1200 will cost at least more than ₹ 7,000 before taxes. And then you need to add a GPU at least a Radeon R7 250 for ₹ 4,000 before tax. That's ₹ 11,000 for a system with very limited gaming. However a Core i3 7100 before tax is for ₹ 7,100 before tax and comes with onboard GPU.

Such a user in India for who money is an important factor will not go for the Ryzen system ever. They will be happy with Core i3 which even though is little slower than Ryzen 3 1200, but gives immense value for money here in budget concious Indian market.

Since Ryzen 3 1300X comes for $129, the APU will obviously cost more. At that point it will cost as much as a Core i5 7400 in India and sell very close to Ryzen 5 1400. Again, instead of buying that APU a budget concious user will instead prefer to buy Core i3 7100 for nearly similar performance.

Ryzen 5 1600, 1600X and Ryzen 7 series CPU are very good in terms of price to performance ratio but Ryzen 3 isn't. At least not in the context of Indian market.

 

[Phynaz]

Really good to see the bottom of the product stack performing well. This is where the cash strapped builders and gamers can get good bargains. I used to be broke too and LOVED me some cheap AMD.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11658/the-amd-ryzen-3-1300x-ryzen-3-1200-cpu-review

Review with the all-important frame times for gaming;
http://techreport.com/review/32301/amd-ryzen-3-1300x-and-ryzen-3-1200-cpus-reviewed

 

[moinmoin]

Not very impressed with Ryzen 3.

If I talk about the use case among Indian buyers, a Core i3 CPU is purchased by the basic, everyday user with a tight and very low budget. They are going to use this PC for movies, YouTube, web browsing and other everyday work.

A user buying this CPU isn't looking to add a GPU from Nvidia or AMD. They live happily with their onboard GPU which comes free wth the CPU.

Now, in terms of pricing in India, a Ryzen 3 1200 will cost at least more than ₹ 7,000 before taxes. And then you need to add a GPU at least a Radeon R7 250 for ₹ 4,000 before tax. That's ₹ 11,000 for a system with very limited gaming. However a Core i3 7100 before tax is for ₹ 7,100 before tax and comes with onboard GPU.

Such a user in India for who money is an important factor will not go for the Ryzen system ever. They will be happy with Core i3 which even though is little slower than Ryzen 3 1200, but gives immense value for money here in budget concious Indian market.

Since Ryzen 3 1300X comes for $129, the APU will obviously cost more. At that point it will cost as much as a Core i5 7400 in India and sell very close to Ryzen 5 1400. Again, instead of buying that APU a budget concious user will instead prefer to buy Core i3 7100 for nearly similar performance.

Ryzen 5 1600, 1600X and Ryzen 7 series CPU are very good in terms of price to performance ratio but Ryzen 3 isn't. At least not in the context of Indian market.

Ryzen 3 APUs will arrive next year after Ryzen Mobile APUs are rolled out as the first Zen based APUs later this year. There was never to be a Ryzen APU before Ryzen Mobile.

 

[USER8000]

Not very impressed with Ryzen 3.

If I talk about the use case among Indian buyers, a Core i3 CPU is purchased by the basic, everyday user with a tight and very low budget. They are going to use this PC for movies, YouTube, web browsing and other everyday work.

A user buying this CPU isn't looking to add a GPU from Nvidia or AMD. They live happily with their onboard GPU which comes free wth the CPU.

Now, in terms of pricing in India, a Ryzen 3 1200 will cost at least more than ₹ 7,000 before taxes. And then you need to add a GPU at least a Radeon R7 250 for ₹ 4,000 before tax. That's ₹ 11,000 for a system with very limited gaming. However a Core i3 7100 before tax is for ₹ 7,100 before tax and comes with onboard GPU.

Such a user in India for who money is an important factor will not go for the Ryzen system ever. They will be happy with Core i3 which even though is little slower than Ryzen 3 1200, but gives immense value for money here in budget concious Indian market.

Since Ryzen 3 1300X comes for $129, the APU will obviously cost more. At that point it will cost as much as a Core i5 7400 in India and sell very close to Ryzen 5 1400. Again, instead of buying that APU a budget concious user will instead prefer to buy Core i3 7100 for nearly similar performance.

Ryzen 5 1600, 1600X and Ryzen 7 series CPU are very good in terms of price to performance ratio but Ryzen 3 isn't. At least not in the context of Indian market.

So if you are gaming on integrated graphics why wouldn't you pick up an A12 9800??

In the UK its under £100 and would be faster than a Core i3 7100 for gaming. I would even expect the A8 9600 which is under £60 to be better too.

Here B350 motherboards are as low as £60 to £70,and that includes ones with 6+3 phase VRMs with VRM coolers on them. Even the A320 motherboards are cheaper,with a few just under £50.

The problem with the Core i3 7100,even in Asia,is the cost of the Core i7 7700K or a Core i7 7600K which even lack a cooler,and you need a Z270 motherboard which starts at £100 in the UK to overclocking.

So someone can start with an A12 9800(or an A8 9600) and game on it,and upgrade to a better card,and put in a Ryzen 5 1600.

The price of a Ryzen 5 1600 and a GTX1050TI is less than the cost of a Core i7 7700K and a cooler. On Amazon UK a Core i5 7600K is £30 more expensive than a Ryzen 5 1600 and if you add a cooler for overclock that is a total for £50 to £60.

That means you could in theory get a Ryzen 5 1600 and a GT1030 for not much more.

Edit to post.

That is an A12 9800 running Overwatch is a very popular game,and the person who is testing is not using expensive RAM - it 2400MHZ RAM running at just above 2600MHZ.

Now you do have the G4560,but it needs a B250 to run on,as you need an H110 motherboard with a newer BIOS to run,which is not a certainty from retailers.

Even the Core i5 7350K is now £100 here,but you need to add a cooler,and even the Ryzen 5 1400 can be had for just under £150 too.

 

[crashtech]

It seemed to me that @gx_saurav is delineating a use case and passing judgement on a product that doesn't exist yet, namely Raven Ridge. Clearly Ryzen 3 is not for those who want to use integrated graphics, wait for the APUs to come out; they may surprise us, as pricing is fluid and their graphics will rather obviously put Intel's to shame.

 

[gx_saurav]

So if you are gaming on integrated graphics why wouldn't you pick up an A12 9800??

I don't think it is based on Zen Cores. But for someone who is looking for a cheap, integrated system, this CPU is also adequate. The cost might not be as low as a Core i7 7100 though which is the key point in my comment above to which you replied.

I already said that gaming is not what these users aim for. At max they play...wait for it....Farmwill. They need a CPU for CPU tasks such as browsing, watching videos etc. They do game but then they know that their system is not powerful enough so in terms of gaming their expectations are anyway low. I have seen so many people buying such Core i3 systems for use in shops, offices, hospitals and even HTPC and they remain with onboard GPU for many years.

In the UK its under £100 and would be faster than a Core i3 7100 for gaming. I would even expect the A8 9600 which is under £60 to be better too.

Here B350 motherboards are as low as £60 to £70,and that includes ones with 6+3 phase VRMs with VRM coolers on them. Even the A320 motherboards are cheaper,with a few just under £50.{/QUOTE]

Good. But as I said, that may be suitable for the case in U.K but it does not apply to India.

The problem with the Core i3 7100,even in Asia,is the cost of the Core i7 7700K or a Core i7 7600K which even lack a cooler,and you need a Z270 motherboard which starts at £100 in the UK to overclocking.

I did not understand this statement. What is the purpose and meaning of it? How is the cost of a Core i7 + Z270 motherboard related to "problem with Core i3 7100?" A Core i3 buyer buys a simple B150/B250 motherboard and be done with it here.

So someone can start with an A12 9800(or an A8 9600) and game on it, and upgrade to a better card, and put in a Ryzen 5 1600.

Yes. 90% of the budget conscious people don't upgrade their system like this. I agree that this gives users a good upgrade path due to AM4 platform.

The price of a Ryzen 5 1600 and a GTX1050TI is less than the cost of a Core i7 7700K and a cooler. On Amazon UK a Core i5 7600K is £30 more expensive than a Ryzen 5 1600 and if you add a cooler for overclock that is a total for £50 to £60.

Again, why are you talking about Core i7 7700K when I already said I am not talking about the audience who has money to buy a Core i7 7700k? For someone who has enough money to buy a Core i7 7700k is better served with a Ryzen CPU as they also buy a separate GPU to go with this. This statement is not relevant to my comment. I am talking about an audience with rock bottom budget in India who does not want to buy a GPU as they are not into gaming.

Now you do have the G4560,but it needs a B250 to run on,as you need an H110 motherboard with a newer BIOS to run,which is not a certainty from retailers.

I believe G4560 runs fine even on a B150 motherboard with BIOS update.

I believe you and I are talking about two different price point for users.

 

[gx_saurav]

It seemed to me that @gx_saurav is delineating a use case and passing judgement on a product that doesn't exist yet, namely Raven Ridge. Clearly Ryzen 3 is not for those who want to use integrated graphics, wait for the APUs to come out; they may surprise us, as pricing is fluid and their graphics will rather obviously put Intel's to shame.

I am also looking forward to Raven Ridge to compete with Core i3's Dual Core architecture with 4 Zen Cores. However, the cost is going to be the defining factor for most budget conscious users.

 

[ao_ika_red]

I don't think it is based on Zen Cores. But for someone who is looking for a cheap, integrated system, this CPU is also adequate. The cost might not be as low as a Core i7 7100 though which is the key point in my comment above to which you replied.

It's Carrizo-refresh APU. Rumour says it'll be priced to match Pentium.

 

[DrMrLordX]

So if you are gaming on integrated graphics why wouldn't you pick up an A12 9800??

Because my old 7870k would be faster in anything that suffers from BR's small l2 cache? Which is unfortunately a lot of games?

 

[R0H1T]

Not very impressed with Ryzen 3.

If I talk about the use case among Indian buyers, a Core i3 CPU is purchased by the basic, everyday user with a tight and very low budget. They are going to use this PC for movies, YouTube, web browsing and other everyday work.

A user buying this CPU isn't looking to add a GPU from Nvidia or AMD. They live happily with their onboard GPU which comes free wth the CPU.

Now, in terms of pricing in India, a Ryzen 3 1200 will cost at least more than ₹ 7,000 before taxes. And then you need to add a GPU at least a Radeon R7 250 for ₹ 4,000 before tax. That's ₹ 11,000 for a system with very limited gaming. However a Core i3 7100 before tax is for ₹ 7,100 before tax and comes with onboard GPU.

Such a user in India for who money is an important factor will not go for the Ryzen system ever. They will be happy with Core i3 which even though is little slower than Ryzen 3 1200, but gives immense value for money here in budget concious Indian market.

Since Ryzen 3 1300X comes for $129, the APU will obviously cost more. At that point it will cost as much as a Core i5 7400 in India and sell very close to Ryzen 5 1400. Again, instead of buying that APU a budget concious user will instead prefer to buy Core i3 7100 for nearly similar performance.

Ryzen 5 1600, 1600X and Ryzen 7 series CPU are very good in terms of price to performance ratio but Ryzen 3 isn't. At least not in the context of Indian market.

For such basic tasks an unlocked pentium g3258 or any pentium g4xxx is more than enough, the basic Indian buyer doesn't even know what an AMD is

Also they see the core ix branding & then buy it over much better (VFM) or cheaper options like Intel's own pentium, an SSD + lots of RAM will do more for everyday tasks than just the i3.

 

[gx_saurav]

For such basic tasks an unlocked pentium g3258 or any pentium g4xxx is more than enough, the basic Indian buyer doesn't even know what an AMD is

Also they see the core ix branding & then buy it over much better (VFM) or cheaper options like Intel's own pentium, an SSD + lots of RAM will do more for everyday tasks than just the i3.

Spoken like a true Indian. Yes, such a buyer always looks for most VFM.

 

[R0H1T]

Spoken like a true Indian. Yes, such a buyer always looks for most VFM.

And I don;t see any wrong in that, I also think your premise that i3 is a better option than the R3 is wrong. The R3 is poor value as compared to AMD's own R5 or the pentium models that I mentioned, however the i3 is probably the least VFM product in the Intel stack right now.

 

[USER8000]

I don't think it is based on Zen Cores. But for someone who is looking for a cheap, integrated system, this CPU is also adequate. The cost might not be as low as a Core i7 7100 though which is the key point in my comment above to which you replied.

I already said that gaming is not what these users aim for. At max they play...wait for it....Farmwill. They need a CPU for CPU tasks such as browsing, watching videos etc. They do game but then they know that their system is not powerful enough so in terms of gaming their expectations are anyway low. I have seen so many people buying such Core i3 systems for use in shops, offices, hospitals and even HTPC and they remain with onboard GPU for many years.

Because my old 7870k would be faster in anything that suffers from BR's small l2 cache? Which is unfortunately a lot of games?

Except where was your upgrade path for FM2+ or the fact the A12 9800 probably will end up faster in more games due to its better IGP,and has far better media decode than your A10 7870K??

Even if you ended up putting in a £100 graphics card,you would have an improvement in most games,as most games tend to be more GPU limited before they are CPU limited.

You do actually understand that Overwatch is played by over 30 million people worldwide,right??

Trying to then to hint nobody would play a game like Overwatch on a cheapo system is not really accurate,since I know plenty of people running Blizzard games on cheapo systems.

I mean Blizzard is only dropping support for XP and Vista THIS YEAR!

Do you honestly think with so many people using tablets and phones for basic computing that even an old Q6600 would be a limiting factor for basic tasks,especially when so many businesses and governments are stuck on ancient hardware to this day.

If people cared about CPU performance,nobody would actually buy an iPad for home usage,since an Intel Core i3 laptop will probably beat it in all CPU benchmarks.

What we are seeing is tablets actually displacing laptops,even with Intel making big leaps in efficiency meaning even a cheap X86 laptop can be quite powerful.

 

[USER8000]

And I don;t see any wrong in that, I also think your premise that i3 is a better option than the R3 is wrong. The R3 is poor value as compared to AMD's own R5 or the pentium models that I mentioned, however the i3 is probably the least VFM product in the Intel stack right now.

Actually I would argue than even the sub £60 A8 9600,or one of the newer Intel Celerons would be fast enough.

I have a 5 year old A8 3870K system I built on a whim,and its perfectly fine for normal usage. It even can run some games still and as a joke I tried a GTX960 in it for the LOLs. It did much better than I expected.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Except where was your upgrade path for FM2+ or the fact the A12 9800 probably will end up faster in more games due to its better IGP,and has far better media decode than your A10 7870K??

As much as I would like to believe the 9800 would be faster in most games due to the better iGPU, the reality is that the speed increase would only happen at generally-unplayable resolutions. Many iGPU gamers are on either 1024x768 or 720p where the 7870k will probably be faster.

And upgrade path? How is that relevant? Anyone who already has the 7870k (or similar) . . . has the hardware. They spend $0 to use that solution, so upgrade path is irrelevant.

BR is not a sufficiently-compelling solution to get people on to AM4. It is last year's product, and it was already behind the curve then. If B350 and BR had launched in Nov 2016 then maybe. Today? I'm just not seeing it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Ok, so where can I buy AM4 APUs (B.R.) today?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11669/amd-releases-bristol-ridge-to-retail-am4-gets-apus

 

[formulav8]

Ok, so where can I buy AM4 APUs (B.R.) today?

I looked earlier and so far a no go in the US. I think it won't be widely available retail until the End of Aug or in Sept.

I still think AMD should have sent samples for reviews. It's actually looking to be a decent Pentium competitor, especially iGPU gaming. The Pentium has no chance.

 

[Dave3000]

I right now own a i7-4930k, not overclocked. I recently returned a i7-7700k/motherboard combo, not for performance reasons. I'm considering a Ryzen 1800x for my next system upgrade. I want to only upgrade for X-Plane 11 performance as I frequently play that game. How do Ryzen 1800x's perform in X-Plane 11? What about in the future as more updates come to X-Plane 11?