The only shaking going on is from your unsupported con-theory! Just like Ahmadinejad shakes his pointing finger everytime he puts a twist on historical facts. I understand skeptics but never the spin-mongers who puts a twist on everything of national interest. So what does it take to make you believe when something big or controversial like 9-11 happens? Just like today, there was a reported 7.9 trembler in China, since you were not there I bet you do not believe this is factual and instead it's a conspiracy by the Chinese gov't to redirect attention from the controversial Summer Olympics, right?
The only shaking going on is from your unsupported con-theory! Just like Ahmadinejad shakes his pointing finger everytime he puts a twist on historical facts. I understand skeptics but never the spin-mongers who puts a twist on everything of national interest. So what does it take to make you believe when something big or controversial like 9-11 happens? Just like today, there was a reported 7.9 trembler in China, since you were not there I bet you do not believe this is factual and instead it's a conspiracy by the Chinese gov't to redirect attention from the controversial Summer Olympics, right?
These con-theorist are like fortune tellers. They browse through the scripts and draw target circles on bits of informations and present it as a "bullseye" to support their absurd theory! Pathetic!
Show us an acceptable document proving only 1% of the people working on the Manhattan Project knew they were working on an atomic bomb that will be used as a weapon of war and I might believe your con-theory! The fact of the matter is that all these info you are providing to support this con-theory is nothing but hot gas backfiring from your bottoms!
You'll make an outstanding fisherman! For some reasons, for every discussion you post it's nothing but red herrings running around in circles!
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http://www.science.uwaterloo.c.../fissionmanhattan.html
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclo...Manhattan_Project.html
http://www.espionageinfo.com/L...Manhattan-Project.html
I suggest you read up about compartmentalization, as it is pretty much standing operating procedure when top secret projects are involved because of the risk of information falling into the "wrong" hands. In the case of the Manhatten Project, there was the risk of information falling into the hands of Soviet or German spies, so for national security it was important for those who were "in the know" to compartmentalize the project.
TastesLikeChicken
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The official 9/11 report is, by definition, a conspiracy theory. People asking questions are merely engaging in testing that theory, as scientific method dictates. If you have a problem with questions going nowhere is only because you erroneously presume that people who ask questions have a thorough alternative theory in place. So when you say: "If OBL wasn't involved then it only happened one specific way., you are letting yourself go along the government line of thought (Osama did it*=>bad Osama=>blow up Middle East) just because you do not have the alternative narration laid out in details before you. I sense an undiagnosed fear of discovering that those who govern you might just be the baddies after all, capable to take any criminal course of action necessary to keep their stranglehold of power on infinitely doltish masses, who care little about exporting freedom and democracy to Iraq but a lot about importing its oil.
And when you say: "Even with the holes the official story is far more solid than that of the CTs", you are professing a blind faith...to the devil you know.
*: BTW, since Osama did it, how come the FBI is not charging him for 9/11?
thanks man, i am a pretty good fisherman if i say so myself. i love to catch bass but like to eat crappie.
as for red herrings, describe what a red herring is to people that dont know what it is. and what red herrings u are talking about and what that might imply.
when u say anti-semitic, who exactly are u speaking of. u have to be very specific with that phrase.
with stuff like this happening here in america on 9-11..........
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm
Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.
The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know ? They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said
The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.
The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.
?We Are Not Your Problem?
According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" ? referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem."
For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks ? then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.
Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.
BY WAY OF DECEPTION THOU SHALT DO WAR - mossad motto according to victor Ostrovsky
tlc-
my conclusion from that assumption is the general of the ISI sent saeed sheik of MI6 (The Pittsburgh Tribune notes that there "are many in Musharraf's government who believe that Saeed Sheikh's power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA) to wire atta 100,000. wheres OBL in that picture.
my conclusion from that assumption is the general of the ISI sent saeed sheik of MI6 (The Pittsburgh Tribune notes that there "are many in Musharraf's government who believe that Saeed Sheikh's power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA) to wire atta 100,000. wheres OBL in that picture.
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Just because the ISI sent them money does not mean the ISI knew the money was going to be used in an attack like 9-11.
We know from the Clinton cruise missile attack that people in the ISI were helping Osama in the 90s. Perhaps they were sending the money in order to further help Osama and had no idea how it was going to be spent. It is a sad fact that many in the muslim world support Osama and are willing to lend him support via money etc.
We know from the Clinton cruise missile attack that people in the ISI were helping Osama in the 90s. Perhaps they were sending the money in order to further help Osama and had no idea how it was going to be spent. It is a sad fact that many in the muslim world support Osama and are willing to lend him support via money etc.
Let us not confuse a 911/White House conspiracy with Bush being the smartest one in the room and sleeping through the morning terrorist threat briefings. Although George being out of town and Cheney in a bunker makes me wonder.
TastesLikeChicken
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The scientific method involved considering all factors in the equation and THAT'S where the CT wrod falls short. They plainly ignore the facts directly in front of their face in order to attempt to further their crazy ideas and there's nothing scientific about that. In fact, it's much closer to the creationist modus operandi of trying to punch holes in evolution to disprove it as a means of "proving" that their theory must be the right one.
Of course he has an alternate theory in place. People tend to come to conclusions about things, whether they're right or wrong. The fact that he won't provide that alternate and expose what he believes happened merely serves to demonstate that he really doesn't have much faith in what he believes, and/or knows that his own theory on the issue has far, far more holes than the "offical story." He doesn't want to open himself to questions or to be put on the defensive, so he plays the questions box game.
btw, in regard to OBL not being charged by the FBI, this sort of question is yet another slight-of-hand from the CTs.
Prior to 9/11, responses to terrorist attacks were considered law enforcement actions. In fact, OBL is already on the FBI's top 10 list for his bombing of US embassies for that very reason. 9/11 was considered an act of war. Therefore we had a military response, not a law enforcement response. Besides that, including OBL on the FBI list for 9/11 would involve an official indictment by a Grand Jury which would require making intelligence sources publicly known.
In addition, the FBI has responded to this claim:
"There's no mystery here," said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. "They could add 9/11 on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . . . There is a logic to it."
And the FBI already maintains a "Most Wanted Terrorist" list as well, of which OBL is a member. On that list there's a note:
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its classified. the israeli connection to 9-11 is classified. if u can get those documents, that would be great.
its classified. the israeli connection to 9-11 is classified. if u can get those documents, that would be great.
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tell me what u think of general mahmoud ahmad being involved in providing/directing money to atta.
my theory is osama didnt provide that money to atta and that the isi (the general) with the help of mi6 (saeed sheikh) did. atta was the "lead" hijacker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_M._Lewin
and tell me what u think of danny lewin. was he shot or killed by a boxcutter.
He was an officer in Sayeret Matkal, an elite and secretive intelligence unit.
Lewin was killed aboard American Airlines Flight 11 during the September 11, 2001 attacks, apparently toward the beginning of the hijacking. A 2002 FAA memo suggests he may have been killed by hijacker Satam al-Suqami after he attempted to foil the hijacking.[1] According to the FAA, Lewin was seated in business class in seat 9B, close to hijackers Mohammed Atta and Satam al Suqami (who was possibly seated behind him). It was first reported that he had been shot by al Suqami, which was later changed to being stabbed.
tell me what u think of general mahmoud ahmad being involved in providing/directing money to atta.
my theory is osama didnt provide that money to atta and that the isi (the general) with the help of mi6 (saeed sheikh) did. atta was the "lead" hijacker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_M._Lewin
and tell me what u think of danny lewin. was he shot or killed by a boxcutter.
He was an officer in Sayeret Matkal, an elite and secretive intelligence unit.
Lewin was killed aboard American Airlines Flight 11 during the September 11, 2001 attacks, apparently toward the beginning of the hijacking. A 2002 FAA memo suggests he may have been killed by hijacker Satam al-Suqami after he attempted to foil the hijacking.[1] According to the FAA, Lewin was seated in business class in seat 9B, close to hijackers Mohammed Atta and Satam al Suqami (who was possibly seated behind him). It was first reported that he had been shot by al Suqami, which was later changed to being stabbed.
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Is there proof that it is classified.
Have documents been requested and denied due to security reasons? or by someone saying that they are classified, no one goes looking?
In otherwords, is that fact that the word classified is used an excuse/justification for not proving the connection?
TastesLikeChicken
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When you answer my question concerning what you think happened on 9/11, and not some obscure diversionary point about Atta either, I'll start responding to your questions. Until then I'll assume you're doing nothing more than attempting diversions into relatively insignificant minutiae to avoid having to answer that question in the first place.
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It's not about proving "our" conspiract theory, but disproving the government's. When the government tells you that a man who couldn't even fly a small Cessna flew a large airliner, with zero flight time on the type, at a pefect 500 knots-20 feet above the ground trajectory and slammed into the Pentagon, then common sense starts giving your gullibility the pangs of reality.
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